President Obama releases long-form birth certificate

[NickF1011]

If the birthers really believe that Obama has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, then they will have to admit he is the smartest man alive. He was able to get quite a bit of co-conspirators lined up to help him perpetrate this great scam, starting with the Hawaiian government. Just think even the Bush administration had to be in on it, along with Mcain and all the rest of the presidential hopefuls. No way he could of pulled it off without all these other co-conspirators.

 

It's easy to get them all to co-conspire. They're all members of the Illuminati.

[sprinter]

If the birthers really believe that Obama has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, then they will have to admit he is the smartest man alive. He was able to get quite a bit of co-conspirators lined up to help him perpetrate this great scam, starting with the Hawaiian government. Just think even the Bush administration had to be in on it, along with Mcain and all the rest of the presidential hopefuls. No way he could of pulled it off without all these other co-conspirators.

 

You have got to be kidding right? What would Bush and McCain have to do with it?

 

But the heat is still on about the authenticity of what the white house put out. Obama might have backed his ass into a corner he can't escape from.

 

The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008 presidential campaign has always been this:

 

* As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes.

* Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

 

* Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

 

* Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign – and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today – Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.

 

* Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

 

In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals.

 

Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu.

 

This is the only place birth certificate numbers were assigned.

 

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate.

 

The date the birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

 

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

 

The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?

 

Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457#ixzz1Kpl6V6m2

 

The "Certificate of Live Birth" document released by the White House today, if authentic, assures Americans that their president was born in Hawaii as he has said, according to two participants in a lawsuit who challenged the president's tenure in the Oval Office.

 

But they say it also proves he's ineligible under the Constitution's requirements to be president.

 

According to Mario Apuzzo, the attorney who argued the Kerchner vs. Obama case, and the lead plaintiff, retired Navy Cmdr. Charles Kerchner, the documentation reveals that Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan national subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, was the father when Barack Obama Jr. was born.

 

That, they say, would disqualify Obama because of the Founders' requirement in the Constitution that a president be a "natural born Citizen," commonly understood during the era of the beginnings of the United States to mean a citizen offspring of two citizen parents.

 

Read more: Obama challengers: Doc proves president ineligible http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292441#ixzz1KplVfaeh

 

But Rush may be right here: I'm shocked Obama 'was actually born'

'They just descend from the heavens'

[rn4]

Ya know sprinter your tin foil hat is on so tight, that it has affected your ability to think like a reasonable person.

 

 

[Mark B. Morrow]

You have got to be kidding right? What would Bush and McCain have to do with it?

 

President Obama obtained his security clearance as a member of the U.S. Senate in 2005 during the Bush Administration. He served on the Foreign Relations and Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committees.

 

But the heat is still on about the authenticity of what the white house put out. Obama might have backed his ass into a corner he can't escape from.

 

"The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?"

 

As far as the Birth Certificate numbers, that's easy. The WND article claims that all Birth Certificates are processed in the same place for all children born in Hawaii. In order for this to be a problem, you would have to assume that all of the Certificates were processed in the same order in which the children were born. Moreover, since the certificates were typed on a typewritter, it stands to reason that more than one person was typing the certificates on the pre-printed forms. The forms had to be kept at the hospital since the doctor and mother signed them.

 

The Nordyke twins were born on Saturday August 5, 1961. According to the WND photostat of the Nordyke Twins' certificates, they are numbered 10637 & 10638 and were signed by their mother on August 7, 1961 then signed by the physician and submitted August 11, 1961.

 

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

 

President Obama was born on Friday August 4, 1961. His Certificate is number 10641. It was signed by his mother on August 7, 1961 then signed by the physician and submitted August 8, 1961. Thus the 3 day delay in filing the Nordyke twins' Certificates is due to the doctor's signature date.

 

There is nothing all that unusual about certificates being out of sequence, having been pulled from different stacks of forms and/or prepared by different typists. All 3 certificates were signed by the two mothers on the same day, August 7, 1961. Maybe the same person prepared all 3 certificates but just went to Mrs. Nordyke first.

 

Sprinter, the Article you linked was posted by Jerome Corsi after the Long Form Birth Certificate was released. If the simpleton Corsi had bothered to look at the signature dates, he would have answered his own questions. Once again WND's conspiracy theorists ignore the simple explanation for the conspiratorial one.

 

 

But Rush may be right here: I'm shocked Obama 'was actually born'

'They just descend from the heavens'

Nordyke BC.bmp

Edited April 29, 2011 by Mark B. Morrow

[Len_A]

 

 

But the heat is still on about the authenticity of what the white house put out. Obama might have backed his ass into a corner he can't escape from.

 

The fact that you could have the audacity to even say that is nothing short of hysterical. And I'm laughing at you, in case you aren't sure.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Jim: [consoling Bart]

 

What did you expect?

 

"Welcome, sonny"?

 

"Make yourself at home"?

 

"Marry my daughter"?

 

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons BIRTHERS.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Mark B. Morrow

[Edstock]

[goinbroke2]

Frigging hollywood...the belt is twisted and would jam after a few rounds...but that would be lucky because any more than that and his hand would be burnt to the barrel!

 

 

And Sprinter, hold the $%^& on with the "Amazing what lengths our military would stoop too to obtain public support."

 

(and again this is perpetrated by hollywood) THE MILITARY DOES NOT TELL THE GOVERNMENT WHAT TO DO!

 

The military is one of many tools the government has to perform it's duties, nothing more. If a country is ignorant to the US (or any other western country) the president can use embargo's/cut trade/file grievances/etc up to and including going to war against that country. THE MILITARY DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT TO DO OR WHEN! The same as the US FDA does not tell the government to block imports of food from a particular country. THE PRESIDENT gets info from the military,FDA or whatever to make decisions on which way forward. If anything, the military had several plans wrote up for the president to pick from due to the president ASKING FOR THEM!

 

They also have plans (war scenario's) if mexico attacks the US but what do you think the odds are of that actually happening????

 

 

Sorry for the rant but MAN I get sick of hearing the same wives tale about the military "deciding to attack here or there"!

[goinbroke2]

Oh, and that abc news was a sensationist piece of crap. The author should be ashamed of himself.

[sprinter]

The fact that you could have the audacity to even say that is nothing short of hysterical. And I'm laughing at you, in case you aren't sure.

 

 

 

Sadly, if what is represented on this new "birth certificate" is an accurate representation of Obama's actual birth, it does not prove he is eligible to be president, but just the opposite.

 

One of the reasons I was so eager to see the long-form document is because I was relatively certain it would provide different information than we saw in the short form certification of live birth released in 2008. I was relatively certain Obama was hiding something, for instance, the real birth father. Because if Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was, in fact, his dad, then there is no way he is eligible to be president. He was a visiting student from Kenya, a subject of the United Kingdom. He conferred U.K. and Kenyan citizenship on his son at birth.

 

The men who wrote the Constitution and used the phrase "natural born citizen" as a requirement of office intended that future U.S. presidents would not have "divided loyalties" or even the appearance of "divided loyalties." In other words, the type of president they were trying to avoid with this language was the very type represented by Barack Obama.

 

But it gets worse for Obama.

 

His sister, Maya, recently confirmed that her brother was adopted at the age of 5 by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, who moved Obama there where he lived and attended school for several years. Though we do not have any citizenship records for Obama during this period, it is hard to understand how he could have been adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and moved to that country for years without a change in citizenship. But let's put that issue aside for a moment, because there's something about this adoption that is a game-changer with regard to the validity and accuracy of the "birth certificate" Obama just released.

 

Anyone who has ever been involved in an adoption knows a few things most others don't know.

 

When an adoption takes place in the U.S., the original birth certificate is either amended or replaced entirely with a new document that shows the adoptive parent or parents as the birth parents.

 

Read more: It's settled! Obama's ineligible http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292553#ixzz1Kv47gG7k

 

 

So here we have a man sitting in the White House who has two fathers – neither of which is able to confer U.S. citizenship on their son.

 

And yet the Big Media look at this document and see no problems.

 

Meanwhile, I look at them and, for the first time, can report with confidence that there is no way on earth Obama is eligible to be sitting in the White House. He's not qualified. He doesn't meet the test. And he has provided all the proof we need to draw that conclusion.

 

Read more: It's settled! Obama's ineligible http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292553#ixzz1Kv56TO4g

 

And who is laughing at who?

[NLPRacing]

And who is laughing at who?

 

We are....at you. You may not like Obama and he may or may not get re-elected, but the fact is that he is the current President and there's nothing you "birthers" can do about it. Besides, if you could prove ineligibility, would you really want Biden as President? Why do you think Pelosi took impeachment off the table in 2006? Who would want Cheney to be President. If you and the other birthers do not want Obama to be re-elected, go out there and find a viable candidate that can beat Obama and get behind him or her with the same vigor and drop this nonsense about the birth certificate.

[Len_A]

We are....at you. You may not like Obama and he may or may not get re-elected, but the fact is that he is the current President and there's nothing you "birthers" can do about it. Besides, if you could prove ineligibility, would you really want Biden as President? Why do you think Pelosi took impeachment off the table in 2006? Who would want Cheney to be President. If you and the other birthers do not want Obama to be re-elected, go out there and find a viable candidate that can beat Obama and get behind him or her with the same vigor and drop this nonsense about the birth certificate.

Well said. My sentiments exactly.

[Len_A]

Here's another point of view on all of this birther nonsense. From today's Detroit Free Press.

Detroit Free Press - Obama inquiry troubles blacks.pdf

[sprinter]

Frigging hollywood...the belt is twisted and would jam after a few rounds...but that would be lucky because any more than that and his hand would be burnt to the barrel!

 

 

And Sprinter, hold the $%^& on with the "Amazing what lengths our military would stoop too to obtain public support."

 

(and again this is perpetrated by hollywood) THE MILITARY DOES NOT TELL THE GOVERNMENT WHAT TO DO!

 

The military is one of many tools the government has to perform it's duties, nothing more. If a country is ignorant to the US (or any other western country) the president can use embargo's/cut trade/file grievances/etc up to and including going to war against that country. THE MILITARY DOES NOT DICTATE WHAT TO DO OR WHEN! The same as the US FDA does not tell the government to block imports of food from a particular country. THE PRESIDENT gets info from the military,FDA or whatever to make decisions on which way forward. If anything, the military had several plans wrote up for the president to pick from due to the president ASKING FOR THEM!

 

They also have plans (war scenario's) if mexico attacks the US but what do you think the odds are of that actually happening????

 

 

Sorry for the rant but MAN I get sick of hearing the same wives tale about the military "deciding to attack here or there"!

 

The military has more influence than you think. MONEY is power. Where dose the majority of the US Budget go for? Military and defense. Over $964 billion for 2011 http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_budget_pie_chart which doesn't include our current wars we are waging since those number are 'kept off the books'. The elite control the president and government. Think not? Try running yourself and see how far you get. Others people's (big) money gets you into the game. And in return you will play their game. Neither party will touch the military portion of the budget, it's off limits. And it is dragging this country into a hole we can't climb out of. But these endless wars are a money maker for several corporations and their controllers so I don't expect any changes soon.

 

Eisenhower left us with a few choice words about the military-industrial complex:

 

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

 

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

 

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

 

And you might want to read Major General Smedley D. Butler's short book, War Is A Racket.

 

As for the article from ABC, the truth hurts sometimes. Try not to be some namby-pamby and realize what is really happening in this world.

[goinbroke2]

"As for the article from ABC, the truth hurts sometimes. Try not to be some namby-pamby and realize what is really happening in this world."

 

 

HE CALLED ME NAMBY PAMBY?

 

 

ME??

 

 

 

SERIOUSLY?

[Mark B. Morrow]

Hey Sprinter, No time to reply to the debunking of your Nordyke Birth Certificate nonsense. Maybe you should get your news and opinions from somewhere other than Wing Nut Daily and the oft debunked Mr. Farah and Dr. Corsi.

 

Yes we are laughing at your silly crusade.

[goinbroke2]

Does money influence candidates/presidents? Yes

Does the industrial complex pressure the government? Yes

Does the military come up with and sometimes do things the general public would not approve of? Yes

Does the military do this on it's own authority? NO!

Any cockamamie plan the military has carried out has been with the presidents approval.

 

Comparing how much is spent on the military or how much private enterprise gives to get someone to get them elected etc has no bearing on the issue.

The issue is, does the military tell the president "what it's going to do" or does the president tell the military.

Once the military starts dictating to a president, you have a coup and a dictatorship is formed.

 

No matter what it does, the military, (like everything else in fed gov) is authorized by the president. You think the CIA went into the bay of pigs because it wanted to or because it was told to by the president?

[Len_A]

Hey Sprinter, No time to reply to the debunking of your Nordyke Birth Certificate nonsense. Maybe you should get your news and opinions from somewhere other than Wing Nut Daily and the oft debunked Mr. Farah and Dr. Corsi.

 

Yes we are laughing at your silly crusade.

I'm laughing so hard, my sides are hurting!!!

[Deanh]

Sprinter...contact Lorne Michaels, theres an opening, you would be a shoe in

[Cocheese]

Hey Sprinter, No time to reply to the debunking of your Nordyke Birth Certificate nonsense. Maybe you should get your news and opinions from somewhere other than Wing Nut Daily and the oft debunked Mr. Farah and Dr. Corsi.

 

Yes we are laughing at your silly crusade.

 

 

Yes sprinter, follow Marl's lead and get your news and opinions from somewhere like the Wing Nut Huffington Post and the oft debunked anchors of MSNBC, CBS, ABC or the comedians at Comedy Central.

[Deanh]

Yes sprinter, follow Marl's lead and get your news and opinions from somewhere like the Wing Nut Huffington Post and the oft debunked anchors of MSNBC, CBS, ABC or the comedians at Comedy Central.

note, Birthers are like Bananas...they hang round in bunches.....

[Mark B. Morrow]

note, Birthers are like Bananas...they hang round in bunches.....

 

Do they turn black when they get old?

[Deanh]

Do they turn black when they get old?

snicker....watch someone twist that int a non-PC comment.....

[suv_guy_19]

Do they turn black when they get old?

 

Yes. Then they start to ask each other to provide birth certificates - long form only, of course.

Edited April 29, 2011 by suv_guy_19

[Edstock]

With the advent of the neo-cons, and the advent of the web, a lot of the hard-of-thinking are buying into the anti-Obama hysteria, lock, stock and barrel, as we see with ol' Sprinter. Boldface my emphasis.

 

FABIUS MAXIMUS has an explanation of how this came to be. You will note that this is not a "liberal" or "left wing" web site.

 

Summary: Conservatives have found that insights by Gresham and Lenin create superweapons of political debate in modern America.

Glittering lies, simple and attractive but false assertions at high volume that drive accurate analysis off-stage. Ignore rebuttals. Instead launch a new salvo of lies. Ignore the long, complex, softly worded replies by experts. The result so far is slow victory, perhaps eventual control of America’s state and federal machinery. And perhaps ruin to America.

“A jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one.”

— Attributed to Sam Rayburn (Democrat from Texas, 1882-1961), one of our most effective and honest Speakers of the House

 

The Republicans have surged in strength, a powerful recovery from their 2008 losses. Operational excellence helped, focusing their troops on a few objectives and policy objectives – #1 being to make Obama a one-term president (said by Senate Republican Leader McConnell to National Journal, subscription-only). More importantly, their tactics have been brilliant and innovative — driven by two insights:

1) From Gresham, faux economics can displace the real thing in people’s minds

2) From Lenin, oppose everything. The worse the better for Republicans.