papilgee4evaeva Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Link Anyone surprised or disappointed? Not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 As an alternative to a diesel engine (4.4 V8) it's an interesting move. Interesting to see how the sales mix will run with V6, 5.0 and EB V6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm a little surprised that the HP number is the same as the SHO. I would have expected a bit more. Closer to the 400/400 to be rumored. But since the torque is higher, that's probably OK. Dang thing still has 100 more HP than my 2003 Supercrew has. So if the fuel economy numbers turn out best in class still, I'd be real happy using this as my next truck engine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 (edited) That 365 hp comes in at 500 rpm earlier compared to the SHO, more torque everywhere too. Wait till the after market kits start coming out, got a feeling this could become a cult engine... F150's answer to Buddy Ingersoll, they can't out law this engine - Edited September 21, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I'm a little surprised that the HP number is the same as the SHO. I would have expected a bit more. Closer to the 400/400 to be rumored. But since the torque is higher, that's probably OK. Dang thing still has 100 more HP than my 2003 Supercrew has. So if the fuel economy numbers turn out best in class still, I'd be real happy using this as my next truck engine... When you tune for more torque at lower RPM you lose max horsepower. 400/400 was probably achievable but they opted for 420 lb ft at lower RPM and that lowered the peak HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 That's a very nice torque plateau offering that from around 2K to 5K. That can be coupled with some broad gearing to give really good economy numbers. Also, having the torque curve be that flat over such an aea, it shows that the engine STILL has a lot of headroom left in it. With the right tranny and proper internals, this thing could easily be pushing over 450 lbs of torque with comensurate HP levels. I can only imagine what a mustang with a fully unleashed 3.5EB would be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 These ratings are on 87 octane, Ford has yet to finish certifying it on 91 octane. My guess is that 20-25hp more could be squeezed out with 91 octane, even more could be squeezed out with a 93 octane tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 These ratings are on 87 octane, Ford has yet to finish certifying it on 91 octane. My guess is that 20-25hp more could be squeezed out with 91 octane, even more could be squeezed out with a 93 octane tune. As atvman said, certification for premium isn't ready yet: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09/2011-ford-f-150-ecoboost-v-6-photos-and-additional-engine-details.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Sure horsepower is nice, but torque is your best friend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Sure horsepower is nice, but torque is your best friend. Especially when towing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Looks interesting. Hopefully the Premium fuel will bump the HP to 380. I'll definitely be looking at this motor in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 As atvman said, certification for premium isn't ready yet: http://news.pickuptr...ne-details.html Sure horsepower is nice, but torque is your best friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 With the six speed you aren't going to see a lot of revs above 3,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Sure horsepower is nice, but torque is your best friend. And in a truck long term durability. This engine is putting up outstanding stats at a good price...but it had better be bulletproof and ready for pickup truck abuse and neglect...seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 HP is a little lower than I thought it would be but Im sure Ford has a conservative tune for durability issues. The aftermarket will have a field day with this engine. I know a lot of old timers that swear it wont last and only time will tell. Ford has a tough sell you on their hands here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 And in a truck long term durability. This engine is putting up outstanding stats at a good price...but it had better be bulletproof and ready for pickup truck abuse and neglect...seriously. This motor has been in farmers hands for over a year being tested. Who knows were else it's been tested. Do you think Ford just found this motor in the corner last thursday and threw it in a truck? It's time to start handing out a "Captain Obvious" award anytime the stupid "durability" card is played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 This motor has been in farmers hands for over a year being tested. Who knows were else it's been tested. Do you think Ford just found this motor in the corner last thursday and threw it in a truck? It's time to start handing out a "Captain Obvious" award anytime the stupid "durability" card is played. A lot of people are going to play the durability card you can bank on it. Personally, I would not be afraid of it but many will be. Ford knows this and I bet a huge priority was put on testing this mill. Its the most significant new engine I can remember being released by them in a long time. The 5.0 is also new and important but there seems to be little fear of it since its not a forced induction motor. I dont like being a beta tester but your have to embrace technology sometimes. Gm has no answer for this and the 5.0 will blow the doors of the high reving 5.3. The 3.7 makes the 4.3 look like a boat anchor and the entire Gm truck lineup is getting stale. Ford knows they better get this right and I think they will. But, be ready for the haters. Ford has taken a bold step here. I cant wait for the real world reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Speaking of GM, the 5.3 looks pretty pathetic compared to all the other engines on that graph. Anyone have the last gen 5.4 in the F150 torque curve? I'd be curious how it compared to the 5.3 GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 3.5L EB F150s have been running around Detroit for at least 2 years now. I don't think there is any chance that this engine will have durability issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 3.5L EB F150s have been running around Detroit for at least 2 years now. I don't think there is any chance that this engine will have durability issues. I hope they are driving the shit out of them eg: flooring it constantly, leaving from stop light to stoplight hard, etc.. Only because that is reality. I don't ease onto a freeway, I gun it to get up to speed asap, if I get a stoplight challenge I'll accept. Yes, some is childish but I see it everyday from other people also. I drove by one test vehicle a while back and they were driving like a grandma, leaving a stoplight ever so slowly, never going over 35-40 mph causing people to pass around. I went next to him at a stoplight and he didn't want to talk about the vehicle because he knew nothing about it, he only told me they pay him to drive around all day. The car had diagnostic equipment all over and cladding on the outside. IMHO, just racking up easy miles isn't a true test. Drive the vehicle aggressively and keep up with traffic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 3.5L EB F150s have been running around Detroit for at least 2 years now. I don't think there is any chance that this engine will have durability issues. I believe Ford has tested them up to 160,000 miles with no problems. However, I would think the engines of choice for fleets would be the V6 and 5.0 V8. I would suspect that the weekend (poser) trucker would opt for the EB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 I hope they are driving the shit out of them eg: flooring it constantly, leaving from stop light to stoplight hard, etc.. Only because that is reality. I don't ease onto a freeway, I gun it to get up to speed asap, if I get a stoplight challenge I'll accept. Yes, some is childish but I see it everyday from other people also. I drove by one test vehicle a while back and they were driving like a grandma, leaving a stoplight ever so slowly, never going over 35-40 mph causing people to pass around. I went next to him at a stoplight and he didn't want to talk about the vehicle because he knew nothing about it, he only told me they pay him to drive around all day. The car had diagnostic equipment all over and cladding on the outside. IMHO, just racking up easy miles isn't a true test. Drive the vehicle aggressively and keep up with traffic. Seriously? Do you honestly think Ford does durability testing by driving around on eggshells? Based on ONE test driver? There are a LOT of different things that get tested. That driver may have been testing low speed transmission shifting or engine cooling. There are thousands of tests that have to be done and not all of them involve "flooring it". Ford does beat the crap out of the engines for durability testing. To do anything less would just be stupid and a waste of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 Seriously? Do you honestly think Ford does durability testing by driving around on eggshells? Based on ONE test driver? There are a LOT of different things that get tested. That driver may have been testing low speed transmission shifting or engine cooling. There are thousands of tests that have to be done and not all of them involve "flooring it". Ford does beat the crap out of the engines for durability testing. To do anything less would just be stupid and a waste of time. Good to hear. I've never had a driveline failure with any of my Ford's yet and want it to continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 http://jalopnik.com/5643212/ecoboost-ford-f+150-makes-420-lb+ft-of-torque The engine picture has the EB and a new shroud I have never seem before. For once, the 6th comment was pretty funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 22, 2010 Share Posted September 22, 2010 http://jalopnik.com/5643212/ecoboost-ford-f+150-makes-420-lb+ft-of-torque The engine picture has the EB and a new shroud I have never seem before. For once, the 6th comment was pretty funny. Parkave's story of Torque and Horsepower (7 below the Bacon pic) is pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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