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SUV, You have made an important break through. Climate change, even man made climate change, does not necessarily mean that you have to buy into the complete package. This is why I am so adamant that people break the problem down to understand what is science, and what is religion.

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SUV, You have made an important break through.

 

I've always believed the same thing on this issue for years now. Climate change is happening...it always happens, and it may very well be happening faster now, I don't know, it's only what I've heard. I'm pretty sure that we play a part in the change, though I'm not sure exactly how much of a part.

 

What do we do about it? I don't know.

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They can meet the demand for oil any time they want. The "they" here is OPEC. I'm sure you're aware that they (effectively) control the disbursement of about half the petroleum throughout the world and, given our politicians unwillingness to exploit our own (or even others') resources, are in a perfect position to accomplish that. Oil prices are a function of supply vs. demand. OPEC effectively controls the near-majority of supply, and since we won't do anything to dilute their influence, our only response is to artificially curb demand through taxes or environmental policy.

 

A war over oil was already fought. The despots won; hence OPEC.

 

You say you don't believe anything. I'd say you believe we are powerless to do anything about it, without some sort of military action. I'd also say you're wrong.

 

The oil (along with coal and natural gas) is there and the technology exists to retrieve and use it, but we'd rather keep some shieks fat and happy, and our representatives are only too happy to help them by (artificially) limiting our ability to do anything about it.

 

Right now, there is enough oil to meet the global demand, but oil is being used up faster than new oil is being discovered. The demand for oil is increasing. As wells become less than half full, it takes more energy to extract the same amount of oil. It is reasonable to conclude that we will soon be producing less oil than what is demanded. This goes way beyond OPEC's manipulation of the market.

 

I don't believe anything. Belief leads to insanity. If your mother told you that 2+2=5, and you believed her, you would be eating invisible apples. If you had two apples, and got two more, you would have five. You could give away four, and eat the other one yourself. You would be chewing air, but you would believe that you were eating an apple. It is the same with belief in religion and socialism. There was Noah's Ark, Adam's rib, and Al Gore's hockey sticks. How many millions of people believe? It is mental illness.

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Right now, there is enough oil to meet the global demand, but oil is being used up faster than new oil is being discovered. The demand for oil is increasing. As wells become less than half full, it takes more energy to extract the same amount of oil. It is reasonable to conclude that we will soon be producing less oil than what is demanded. This goes way beyond OPEC's manipulation of the market.

Please read this article (link) I don't agree with some of the things said in this, but the key point to be taken is there is one hell of a lot more oil than is publicized. Supply is merely a function of price for the forseeable future.

I don't believe anything. Belief leads to insanity. If your mother told you that 2+2=5, and you believed her, you would be eating invisible apples. If you had two apples, and got two more, you would have five. You could give away four, and eat the other one yourself. You would be chewing air, but you would believe that you were eating an apple. It is the same with belief in religion and socialism. There was Noah's Ark, Adam's rib, and Al Gore's hockey sticks. How many millions of people believe? It is mental illness.

You're a hard man to understand, Trim. You seem to see things so literally, that the notion of nuance (or allegory) is completely foreign {Hey, look at the right-winger talk about nuance!} For you (it would seem), that the answer to "What is the meaning of life" is a blank stare.

 

Humans are more than merely physical objects. BUT, if you believe that there is nothing more than the physical world, I suppose I can understand what you mean by "I don't believe anything".

 

Interesting having a conversation with someone for whom you have no (first-person) proof actually exists, don't you think?

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The question of how much oil there is is a function of three variables.

 

Location. There are both political and geographical constraints. In some cases the restraint is purely political, and therefore subject to very rapid change. In other cases the geography provides challenges that can be solved throuhg the application of the appropriate technology. At one time drilling any type of well was the technological hurdle to be crossed. Much of the technology that will produce future supply does not yet exist, simply because it has not yet been required.

 

Cost of production. The amount of oil available at any given time depends on how much money can be spent to recover the oil. On any given day the cost of production and the number of barrels of oil rise in tandem. This snap shot does not show the effect of technology lowering the cost. If we do the same analysis one day later, we will a marginal reduction in the cost of production. For example, the cost of drilling the first deep offshore well was several billion dollars. The second well was less than half, and so on until the cost of those wells is only marginally higher than the same well on shore. Most of the oil being produced today was not considered to be recoverable in the 1970's at virtually any price. The technology which is common today did not yet exist.

 

Energy cost of production. In the case of some oil shales and tar sands, the amount of energy required to free the petroleum from the ore is considerable. Technology is moving more rapidly in this area than in any other with regard to expansion of resource availability. Additionally, in many cases the use of stranded natural gas as a supplemental energy source is not factored into the availability equation. Stranded natural gas is natural gas that is found in conjunction with oil, but is located so far from the pipelines need to collect it that it is typically flared or burned at the site of production.

 

Trim, I think if you do your own research on the oil resource you will arrive at a different conclusion about the absolute availability of the reserve. The part that you are getting right is that 94% of the known reserves are owned not by big oil, but by nation states.

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Right now, there is enough oil to meet the global demand, but oil is being used up faster than new oil is being discovered. The demand for oil is increasing. As wells become less than half full, it takes more energy to extract the same amount of oil. It is reasonable to conclude that we will soon be producing less oil than what is demanded. This goes way beyond OPEC's manipulation of the market.

 

I don't believe anything. Belief leads to insanity. If your mother told you that 2+2=5, and you believed her, you would be eating invisible apples. If you had two apples, and got two more, you would have five. You could give away four, and eat the other one yourself. You would be chewing air, but you would believe that you were eating an apple. It is the same with belief in religion and socialism. There was Noah's Ark, Adam's rib, and Al Gore's hockey sticks. How many millions of people believe? It is mental illness.

ok we get it you don't believe anything, my question is do you know anything?

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What do we do about it? I don't know.
Exactly! This is the fundamental problem with the climate change argument. People on both sides aren't willing to admit that we don't know what we don't know.

 

Until we can actually benchmark exactly what affect we have (and we do), we can't really make an argument on what exactly we're supposed to do about it. All of these rampant resolutions and plans are equivalent to shooting blind.

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Take out the "(and we do)" and I'll agree. How about, until we can actually prove or disprove if we even have an effect on the climate, we can't make an argument what we're supposed to do about it.

 

Before all this came up as political points, before global warming/cooling, there was research done by a guy at CRU who was very detailed and extremely open and honest. He was the one who "proved" the midevil warming period by not only tree rings, but tree locations and even the fact that in Germany they used to have vineyards 500metres higher than they are now in the mountains. He was meticulous and let anybody and everybody verify his work. Everybody agreed with him.

He showed how the earth cycles both up and down in temp. Also that after the last mini ice age the earth went on to heat up higher than now then drop back and was again on it's way to being hotter than it currently was at that time.

 

Phil Jones who was mentored by this guy basically slapped him in the face by "flipping" the graph to cancel the warming period because it didn't fit his personal agenda.

 

So, the earth was WAY colder than it is now, and it was way warmer than it is now. Why do we think that we can do anything to change this cycle anymore than we can stop waves from coming in off the ocean?

 

Years ago there was bigger waves, there were also years of smaller waves, now we see the waves getting bigger in the last 150 years and assume we are to blame and there is something we can do to alter it?? If we compare to 500 years ago the waves are still smaller than they were then, so why do we have to stop all oceanic travel??

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Take out the "(and we do)" and I'll agree. How about, until we can actually prove or disprove if we even have an effect on the climate, we can't make an argument what we're supposed to do about it.

 

Before all this came up as political points, before global warming/cooling, there was research done by a guy at CRU who was very detailed and extremely open and honest. He was the one who "proved" the midevil warming period by not only tree rings, but tree locations and even the fact that in Germany they used to have vineyards 500metres higher than they are now in the mountains. He was meticulous and let anybody and everybody verify his work. Everybody agreed with him.

He showed how the earth cycles both up and down in temp. Also that after the last mini ice age the earth went on to heat up higher than now then drop back and was again on it's way to being hotter than it currently was at that time.

 

Phil Jones who was mentored by this guy basically slapped him in the face by "flipping" the graph to cancel the warming period because it didn't fit his personal agenda.

 

So, the earth was WAY colder than it is now, and it was way warmer than it is now. Why do we think that we can do anything to change this cycle anymore than we can stop waves from coming in off the ocean?

 

Years ago there was bigger waves, there were also years of smaller waves, now we see the waves getting bigger in the last 150 years and assume we are to blame and there is something we can do to alter it?? If we compare to 500 years ago the waves are still smaller than they were then, so why do we have to stop all oceanic travel??

Every action has a reaction. All phenomena are dependant on other phenomena. Even if our affect is small, it is still there. If your looking for absolute proof one way or the other you'll never get it.
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Now that that's out of the way, If I go for a swim in the ocean my body body temp will be added to the ocean as well as any ripples I create swimming. "TECHNICALLY" you can say I had an effect. Common sense says it doesn't effect jack squat. My body temp would be less influential than the heat produced by sea gulls shitting in the water (which "technically" isn't natural either).

 

If you are looking to get a "humans are here so we must do SOMETHING" well guess what, history doesn't agree with you.

 

Can you imagine sinking a couple thousand sea going ships all within a couple years? Can you imagine the outcry from all the alarmists? Yet it happened and the plot line of earths temp was......uneffected. How about a natural thing like mt st helens or others? More crap pumped into the atmosphere than anything man has contributed since the dawn of the industrial age....and the world carried on uneffected.

 

Again, if we can use wind,solar etc great. Should we be dumping sewers into the ocean, no. But to freak out because of a made up hockey stick and "scientists" with an agenda? I don't think so.

 

Tell me what temp the earth should be!

 

Is it too cold now or too warm now?

 

Tell me why it was ok for the earth to be warmer before but it's not ok now?

 

 

It's all bullshit and the scam artists have been exposed. No they won't let it go they have to much to lose money wise.

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Now that that's out of the way, If I go for a swim in the ocean my body body temp will be added to the ocean as well as any ripples I create swimming. "TECHNICALLY" you can say I had an effect. Common sense says it doesn't effect jack squat. My body temp would be less influential than the heat produced by sea gulls shitting in the water (which "technically" isn't natural either).

 

If you are looking to get a "humans are here so we must do SOMETHING" well guess what, history doesn't agree with you.

 

Can you imagine sinking a couple thousand sea going ships all within a couple years? Can you imagine the outcry from all the alarmists? Yet it happened and the plot line of earths temp was......uneffected. How about a natural thing like mt st helens or others? More crap pumped into the atmosphere than anything man has contributed since the dawn of the industrial age....and the world carried on uneffected.

 

Again, if we can use wind,solar etc great. Should we be dumping sewers into the ocean, no. But to freak out because of a made up hockey stick and "scientists" with an agenda? I don't think so.

 

Tell me what temp the earth should be!

 

Is it too cold now or too warm now?

 

Tell me why it was ok for the earth to be warmer before but it's not ok now?

 

 

It's all bullshit and the scam artists have been exposed. No they won't let it go they have to much to lose money wise.

Well it's not all bullshit... but unfortunately most of the people who champion the environmental cause are full of shit. At this point in time, I'm not convinced that we have the financial means to fund the initiatives that politicians are proposing to fight MMGW. So it really doesn't matter one way or the other if we have an effect on the temperature of the climate. The fact is that politicians are only interested in solutions that involve insurmountable amounts of money and power. Until this changes, we're kind of screwed on both sides.
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The dirty little secret that the environmental extremists don't want you to know is that the real solution is to get rid of about 80% of the human population.

 

Humans can burn as much coal and gas as they want, so long as there are a lot fewer humans.

 

The only extremism I see is from the rabid anti-environmentalists who spend their days ranting about ridiculous conspiracy theories.

 

This forum has got to be filled with some of the craziest people on the web.

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Please read this article (link) I don't agree with some of the things said in this, but the key point to be taken is there is one hell of a lot more oil than is publicized. Supply is merely a function of price for the forseeable future.

 

You're a hard man to understand, Trim. You seem to see things so literally, that the notion of nuance (or allegory) is completely foreign {Hey, look at the right-winger talk about nuance!} For you (it would seem), that the answer to "What is the meaning of life" is a blank stare.

 

Humans are more than merely physical objects. BUT, if you believe that there is nothing more than the physical world, I suppose I can understand what you mean by "I don't believe anything".

 

Interesting having a conversation with someone for whom you have no (first-person) proof actually exists, don't you think?

 

The more someone tries to pound something into my head, the more suspicious I am as to his motives. Some people believe what is constantly bombarded on them, especially if it lambastes people who are smarter and more successful than they are. Some turn to religion to mask their shortcomings in the belief that some day they will be in a better place than people who out-do them in this world. It is nothing but a crutch. God created religion to weed out the stupid people so that the non-believers would be chosen to go to Heaven. This is more plausable than what is taught in religion.

 

Just keep on believing that we will not run out of oil. God wouldn't allow that. Oh, I forgot about Revelations. Optimists say that "peak oil" will be here by 2020. Realists say that we are at peak oil now. It doesn't matter how much oil there is in the ground. We have to produce it at the rate of 85 million barrels a day. It is estimated that 93 million barrels is the most we will ever be able to produce per day, and that is not sustainable. It will decline. At the same time, demand for oil is increasing. That is reality. In the fantasy world, a hero will come along and save the day, just like the fairy tales we are all programmed from childhood to believe. Belief=Control.

 

 

Watch old videos of Hitler making a speech. Look at the faces of the people. Compare that look to the faces of people at an Evangelical religious sermon, or an Al Gore "Green-in". They make you believe lies so they can control you. In church, they stimulate all the senses. Visual: religious scenes, magnificent architecture, priest wearing fine robes; Audio: inspirational music, pipe organ, expert vocalists singing; smell/taste: the burning of incense to mark key points of the ritual or ceremony; touch: people are asked to shake hands, and also the sensation of touch is stimulated by what you want to touch, but cannot. The whole thing is ingeniously orchestrated to rope you in, and get you to believe in fantasies, and forget about reality.

 

The government has got most people believing that we would be lost without them; even as they lead us into oblivion.

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The more someone tries to pound something into my head, the more suspicious I am as to his motives.

I can relate to (and agree with) that. I'm especially suspicious when the advocate doesn't practice what he preaches.

Some people believe what is constantly bombarded on them, especially if it lambastes people who are smarter and more successful than they are. Some turn to religion to mask their shortcomings in the belief that some day they will be in a better place than people who out-do them in this world. It is nothing but a crutch. God created religion to weed out the stupid people so that the non-believers would be chosen to go to Heaven. This is more plausable than what is taught in religion.

Religion is nothing more that the study of Man's relationship with God (as it applies to this plane of existence). Like any field of study, it is open to influence by the "scientists" (for lack of a better term) who study it, and claim to know all. It's when another human being claims to have all the answers, that I become suspicious.

Just keep on believing that we will not run out of oil. God wouldn't allow that. Oh, I forgot about Revelations.

What I believe is that we will have moved beyond oil before we cannot meet demand (or the supply runs out). There are better ways to store, transport, and utilize energy, if we have the technology. Government fiat will not drive the engine of enterprise to perfect it.

Optimists say that "peak oil" will be here by 2020. Realists say that we are at peak oil now. It doesn't matter how much oil there is in the ground. We have to produce it at the rate of 85 million barrels a day. It is estimated that 93 million barrels is the most we will ever be able to produce per day, and that is not sustainable. It will decline. At the same time, demand for oil is increasing. That is reality.

It's also reality that more oil (coal and natural gas) are being discovered.

In the fantasy world, a hero will come along and save the day, just like the fairy tales we are all programmed from childhood to believe. Belief=Control.

I'm not sure if you are referring to what (you think) I believe, or if you are referring to others. Belief does not equal control, it equals submission. (Unless you are referring to self-control)

Watch old videos of Hitler making a speech. Look at the faces of the people. Compare that look to the faces of people at an Evangelical religious sermon, or an Al Gore "Green-in". They make you believe lies so they can control you. In church, they stimulate all the senses. Visual: religious scenes, magnificent architecture, priest wearing fine robes; Audio: inspirational music, pipe organ, expert vocalists singing; smell/taste: the burning of incense to mark key points of the ritual or ceremony; touch: people are asked to shake hands, and also the sensation of touch is stimulated by what you want to touch, but cannot. The whole thing is ingeniously orchestrated to rope you in, and get you to believe in fantasies, and forget about reality.

What you've said is true to a limit. The comparison to Hitler is over the top. Certainly in cases like Jim Jones you can make a comparison, since some of them drank the Kool-Aid willingly, and forced others (who weren't). But you lump all (us) believers in the same camp as the Heaven's Gate people, or the snake handlers (near where I grew up), which is where you and I disagree.

 

In my view, a true believer seeks not to punish the accused, but to live his life as an example for others. A true believer also wants to walk beside others, not in front of them.

 

Based on what you've said here and other places, I'd say you reject any/all situations that would make you vulnerable to the point of demonstrating animosity toward others who do. I suspect the reason why is that somewhere in your lifetime you were hurt by someone you trusted, or were let down by a life tragedy. I wouldn't know which, but I also know it's up to you to work it out.

The government has got most people believing that we would be lost without them; even as they lead us into oblivion.

Thankfully, not all of us.

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The dirty little secret that the environmental extremists don't want you to know is that the real solution is to get rid of about 80% of the human population.

 

Humans can burn as much coal and gas as they want, so long as there are a lot fewer humans.

That's right. IMHO, the world doesn't need more population than what it had in 1800.

 

But with a little luck, burning stuff will rapidly become something we used to do.

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First paragraph of the article:

LONDON - E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data - but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.

 

So, the suppression of the opposing view is now the accepted norm in science? Wow, who knew that true science chooses sides?

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I can relate to (and agree with) that. I'm especially suspicious when the advocate doesn't practice what he preaches.

 

Religion is nothing more that the study of Man's relationship with God (as it applies to this plane of existence). Like any field of study, it is open to influence by the "scientists" (for lack of a better term) who study it, and claim to know all. It's when another human being claims to have all the answers, that I become suspicious.

 

What I believe is that we will have moved beyond oil before we cannot meet demand (or the supply runs out). There are better ways to store, transport, and utilize energy, if we have the technology. Government fiat will not drive the engine of enterprise to perfect it.

 

It's also reality that more oil (coal and natural gas) are being discovered.

 

I'm not sure if you are referring to what (you think) I believe, or if you are referring to others. Belief does not equal control, it equals submission. (Unless you are referring to self-control)

 

What you've said is true to a limit. The comparison to Hitler is over the top. Certainly in cases like Jim Jones you can make a comparison, since some of them drank the Kool-Aid willingly, and forced others (who weren't). But you lump all (us) believers in the same camp as the Heaven's Gate people, or the snake handlers (near where I grew up), which is where you and I disagree.

 

In my view, a true believer seeks not to punish the accused, but to live his life as an example for others. A true believer also wants to walk beside others, not in front of them.

 

Based on what you've said here and other places, I'd say you reject any/all situations that would make you vulnerable to the point of demonstrating animosity toward others who do. I suspect the reason why is that somewhere in your lifetime you were hurt by someone you trusted, or were let down by a life tragedy. I wouldn't know which, but I also know it's up to you to work it out.

 

Thankfully, not all of us.

 

 

I am just trying to stand outside the box and see what is going on. Hitler did exist, and his methods of brainwashing are in common use to-day. It is a good thing that he was a strong believer because that was his failing. If he had placed less faith in God and more faith in his generals, Germany might be the superpower to-day. Hitler actually believed that God was guiding him, so instead of allowing the military to develop winning strategies, he went on his own instincts, which resulted in catastrophic defeat.

 

It is people who fall into alcoholism or drug addiction, or personal tragedy that turn to religion. That is just substituting one crutch for another. I, on the other hand have managed to deal with my personal problems myself, so I am not carrying around a lot of baggage, like false beliefs, and having other people advising and counselling me. I just put my two cents out there, and you can take it or leave it. Anyone who tells you that you have to have faith and you must believe is giving you bad advice. What you need to do is first clear your mind of all predjudice, and then weigh everything yourself from outside the box. Do not take anything for granted. You have been fed a diet of lies from day one.

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I am just trying to stand outside the box and see what is going on. Hitler did exist, and his methods of brainwashing are in common use to-day. It is a good thing that he was a strong believer because that was his failing. If he had placed less faith in God and more faith in his generals, Germany might be the superpower to-day. Hitler actually believed that God was guiding him, so instead of allowing the military to develop winning strategies, he went on his own instincts, which resulted in catastrophic defeat.

 

It is people who fall into alcoholism or drug addiction, or personal tragedy that turn to religion. That is just substituting one crutch for another. I, on the other hand have managed to deal with my personal problems myself, so I am not carrying around a lot of baggage, like false beliefs, and having other people advising and counselling me. I just put my two cents out there, and you can take it or leave it. Anyone who tells you that you have to have faith and you must believe is giving you bad advice. What you need to do is first clear your mind of all predjudice, and then weigh everything yourself from outside the box. Do not take anything for granted. You have been fed a diet of lies from day one.

 

I have never been an alcoholic, never been addicted to drugs, and I have not had any large personal tragegies in my life and yet, I am what outsiders consider "religious." Why? Because I KNOW that I will never be "good" enough to make it to heaven. Yup, I believe there is a heaven, too. However, I don't use my religion as a crutch. I use my relationship with Jesus Christ as my sole means of getting through the day. I honestly do not understand how people who don't have Jesus make it through a day. With so much tragedy surrounding each of our lives each day, what must one do? Bury the head in the sand? So, yes, I am admitting to all of you that I am not strong enough, good enough, or intelligent enough to overcome death. If you can, more power to you .. but God hasn't appointed me such a position.

 

Your generalization seems broad, sweeping, and dogmatic. Not EVERYBODY who becomes 'religious' (your words, not mine) is a former alcoholic, drug addict, or been a victim in their life.

 

They make you believe lies so they can control you. In church, they stimulate all the senses. Visual: religious scenes, magnificent architecture, priest wearing fine robes; Audio: inspirational music, pipe organ, expert vocalists singing; smell/taste: the burning of incense to mark key points of the ritual or ceremony; touch: people are asked to shake hands, and also the sensation of touch is stimulated by what you want to touch, but cannot. The whole thing is ingeniously orchestrated to rope you in, and get you to believe in fantasies, and forget about reality.

 

1. My church does not meet in a church building, so I am not being stimulated by the architecture (which is actually a boring school)

2. My church does not have religious scenes on the walls or priests wearing fine robes (everybody wears everyday street clothes and we're all equals) In fact, we have no priest. We have a pastor. And he encourages us to call him out if something that he says is not lining up with what is written in the Bible.

 

Are those elements you mentioned really the only things that play into why people believe in Jesus Christ? I don't think so. I can only speak for myself, but I am led to believe in Jesus Christ because of what is WRITTEN in the Bible. A book whose contents' understanding is at an ALL TIME LOW, despite the fact that we now have online versions of it! Bible literacy is at an all time low because people simply do not care about God anymore. (This is specifically predicted in the book as well - in addition to many other things happening with our government, Israel, religious institutions, and views on morality (on the decline) - it is ALL written and predicted in the book !)

 

As for whether my faith (which I have as a result of what I read in the Bible) is valid? God can be the just of that, but I'll let you in on a secret to many ...

 

[edited due to mal-formation of phrases and thoughts ... I'll fix tomorrow ]

 

I'm not trying to scare people, but if you read in the Bible, there are all kinds of SPECIFIC AND MEASURABLE things that have been said and all kinds of SPECIFIC and MEASURABLE things that have happened or will happen. This is my PROOF, that helps to enhance my faith, that what I believe is true and is indeed not a sham. My faith does not rest on what my church can do for me. My faith rests on what Jesus DID for me (as written in a book that keeps telling me it IS true) ... Jesus having the grace to save me from eternal damnation in hell.

 

 

 

My apologies in advance to the misdirection of this topic away from ClimateGate, but honestly, I could not allow that kind of false generalization to be promoted ..

 

Carry on.

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There has been a scandal going on now for the past 2 or 3 weeks. Some real under handed manipulation of data from the science crowd that supports the climent chage agenda. They have made public emails from the leadership of these science groupd showing they are omitting or fundging the warming trends.

 

My statement pertains to the fact that anyone who checks the daily feeds from more than one news service can plainly see the MSM is not reporting. There has to be a reason why. The only one that I see is they are supporting the O-Admin. because the O-admin wants the Cap and tax to go through. It is obvious the bill isn't to clean up the earth. Rather, some stand to litterally to make billions if it is passed and it will cost the job of millions in the industrialized midwest.

 

It was made very clear as well over the Acorn scandal as well. After three weeks or so they finally made mention in thier news cast but quickly dropped it. It isn't hard to see.

 

I did not realize you were referring to Obama sarcastically as the Messiah ...

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Your generalization seems broad, sweeping, and dogmatic. Not EVERYBODY who becomes 'religious' (your words, not mine) is a former alcoholic, drug addict, or been a victim in their life.

SVT, remember Trim delights in pulling your chain.

 

He likes to remind us that he's smarter than, what was it, 98% of humanity? He's reasonably facile, but intellectually lazy, making statements with no proof, and making broad statements that are obviously not fitting individual cases.

 

"I, on the other hand have managed to deal with my personal problems myself, so I am not carrying around a lot of baggage, like false beliefs, and having other people advising and counselling me."

 

He likes us to believe that, but when you look at the range of his posts, his fixations and lack of intellectual rigor, this is obviously not the case, but, as we know, those that need help have a propensity to trumpet of how they have no need.

 

But PLEASE don't start up with stuff like this:

 

"Prophecies in the Bible are coming true. I am not one of the prophecy watchers out there predicting a date Jesus Christ will come back. (There is a verse, by the way, which SPECIFICALLY says that trying to guess the exact date is WRONG by the way ...) Yet, I do follow prophecy, and there isn't a single one in the Bible that has been wrong. "

 

I want dates and specific examples of how this is so, otherwise it's just a brain fart, just like Trim's lame branes. Capice?

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