What happened to global warming?

[stephenhawkings]

The Earth's ecosystem is anything but static. It has an infinite number of inputs. Expecting no change is no more logical than thinking that man has the ability to influence on a measurable scale.

Chnage is the only constant, but your underating mans abilities, maybe you can't have any influence, but don't count the rest of us out!

[RangerM]

Chnage is the only constant, but your underating mans abilities, maybe you can't have any influence, but don't count the rest of us out!

I don't discount your ability to emit a gas that could clear a room. :shades:

[stephenhawkings]

I don't discount your ability to emit a gas that could clear a room. :shades:

are you stalking me?

[goinbroke2]

are you stalking me?

 

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

[Trimdingman]

Chnage is the only constant, but your underating mans abilities, maybe you can't have any influence, but don't count the rest of us out!

 

A cubic mile is 5280x5280x5280=147,197,952,000 cubic feet. That reads one hundred forty seven billion........

There are 6.5 billion people. Give each one 3 cubic feet volume, which is generous. Therefore, there are 19.5 billion cubic feet of people, or about one seventh of a cubic mile. People do not make up a significant part of the earth. Compared to the whole earth, we are virtually non-existent. We are less than a flea on a dog. We are less than a pimple on a whale. If they ground us all up and scattered us in the Grand Banks, we would be devoured by fish before we reached the bottom. The atmosphere has a volume of about 20 billion cubic miles. One seventh of one cubic mile of people can't affect that. It is just a fairy tale.

[stephenhawkings]

A cubic mile is 5280x5280x5280=147,197,952,000 cubic feet. That reads one hundred forty seven billion........

There are 6.5 billion people. Give each one 3 cubic feet volume, which is generous. Therefore, there are 19.5 billion cubic feet of people, or about one seventh of a cubic mile. People do not make up a significant part of the earth. Compared to the whole earth, we are virtually non-existent. We are less than a flea on a dog. We are less than a pimple on a whale. If they ground us all up and scattered us in the Grand Banks, we would be devoured by fish before we reached the bottom. The atmosphere has a volume of about 20 billion cubic miles. One seventh of one cubic mile of people can't affect that. It is just a fairy tale.

that would be invading my persona space!

[goinbroke2]

Nothing left but one liners eh?

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder what the next crisis will be.....or are you still clinging to the hope somehow people will forget everything and start believing your religion again?

[Edstock]

Give each one 3 cubic feet volume, which is generous.

You obviously don't shop at Wal-Mart.

 

[stephenhawkings]

A cubic mile is 5280x5280x5280=147,197,952,000 cubic feet. That reads one hundred forty seven billion........

There are 6.5 billion people. Give each one 3 cubic feet volume, which is generous. Therefore, there are 19.5 billion cubic feet of people, or about one seventh of a cubic mile. People do not make up a significant part of the earth. Compared to the whole earth, we are virtually non-existent. We are less than a flea on a dog. We are less than a pimple on a whale. If they ground us all up and scattered us in the Grand Banks, we would be devoured by fish before we reached the bottom. The atmosphere has a volume of about 20 billion cubic miles. One seventh of one cubic mile of people can't affect that. It is just a fairy tale.

volume i'll give you and i should give you on density, but me thinks that i went over that before and all the hot air either here on BON or else where around the globe doesn't equal mans mass, or the mass man has made like say nuclear waste.

 

nice walmart pic! peopleofwalmart.com one of my favorite sites

[Trimdingman]

volume i'll give you and i should give you on density, but me thinks that i went over that before and all the hot air either here on BON or else where around the globe doesn't equal mans mass, or the mass man has made like say nuclear waste.

 

nice walmart pic! peopleofwalmart.com one of my favorite sites

 

Mt St Helens made a bigger mess when she blew her top than man has made since we have been on the planet. The whole thing is a hoax to gain power by the Communists, or what ever name they are going by now. They managed to brainwash many of the Baby Boomers back in the sixties when they were coming of age. Now, we are dealing with the fallout, as they are now "intellectual" and wise "educated" elder generation. They have the tools to brainwash the next generation. We need more people like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and Chuck Norris to step up to counter this Revolution II.

 

All you need to know is that if you are pushed, you should resist. Live your own life. Don't let government or any one else tell you how to live it. If they are trying to change something, they have an agenda, and it is not for your benefit. Things were better, as far as personal individual freedom goes, 100 years ago. We need to get that back.They would have you believe that you would be happier with less freedom. They would be happier if you had less freedom and they had more authority over you. Government is responsible for the financial crisis. Government has saddled us with so much debt that we are bankrupt. Government needs to be decimated.

[stephenhawkings]

Mt St Helens made a bigger mess when she blew her top than man has made since we have been on the planet. The whole thing is a hoax to gain power by the Communists, or what ever name they are going by now. They managed to brainwash many of the Baby Boomers back in the sixties when they were coming of age. Now, we are dealing with the fallout, as they are now "intellectual" and wise "educated" elder generation. They have the tools to brainwash the next generation. We need more people like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and Chuck Norris to step up to counter this Revolution II.

 

All you need to know is that if you are pushed, you should resist. Live your own life. Don't let government or any one else tell you how to live it. If they are trying to change something, they have an agenda, and it is not for your benefit. Things were better, as far as personal individual freedom goes, 100 years ago. We need to get that back.They would have you believe that you would be happier with less freedom. They would be happier if you had less freedom and they had more authority over you. Government is responsible for the financial crisis. Government has saddled us with so much debt that we are bankrupt. Government needs to be decimated.

theres the commie lovin TRIM im used too!

and full of hot air too!

[Edstock]

We need more people like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and Chuck Norris

AKA, the Four Idiots of the Apocalypse.

 

Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you!

 

AMBASSADOR LONDO MOLLARI, Babylon 5: In the Beginnning (1998)

[Trimdingman]

theres the commie lovin TRIM im used too!

and full of hot air too!

 

.....and I am right and you can't argue otherwise...because I am RIGHT

 

To-day, we are in a financial mess worse than the USSR before it collapsed. This is all the fault of too much government. The sheep just go along, just like they do at church on Sunday. I say they are wrong. They call me a heathen, or worse. I am a moral person. Is it a sin to have a little intelligence? I say the socialists/communists are wrong too. They call me a racist/capitalist/sexist/mean-spirited......just like the Bible-thumpers. I am a moral person trying to do what is right. Because I have my head on straight, and see them going around in circles, I am not supposed to say anything to get them riled up. Why is it wrong to try and straighten these people out? Left on their own, brainwashed people end up in awful messes. Look at the Mayans. They were cutting their hearts out. Look at the Christians. Non-believers were getting burned at the stake. Look at the Communists. Dissidents were mass-murdered. It isn't healthy to believe in these cults and follow non-sensical notions. If you really believe something, and it is not true, you become lost. You have to have all of the paradoxes created by your false belief explained away by your leader. He now has you on a leash like a dog.

[stephenhawkings]

.....and I am right and you can't argue otherwise...because I am RIGHT

 

To-day, we are in a financial mess worse than the USSR before it collapsed. This is all the fault of too much government. The sheep just go along, just like they do at church on Sunday. I say they are wrong. They call me a heathen, or worse. I am a moral person. Is it a sin to have a little intelligence? I say the socialists/communists are wrong too. They call me a racist/capitalist/sexist/mean-spirited......just like the Bible-thumpers. I am a moral person trying to do what is right. Because I have my head on straight, and see them going around in circles, I am not supposed to say anything to get them riled up. Why is it wrong to try and straighten these people out? Left on their own, brainwashed people end up in awful messes. Look at the Mayans. They were cutting their hearts out. Look at the Christians. Non-believers were getting burned at the stake. Look at the Communists. Dissidents were mass-murdered. It isn't healthy to believe in these cults and follow non-sensical notions. If you really believe something, and it is not true, you become lost. You have to have all of the paradoxes created by your false belief explained away by your leader. He now has you on a leash like a dog.

your beyond right

[goinbroke2]

And you have nothing but one liners left. Your "truths" have been disproven. Your "messiah" has gone into hiding.

 

The wheels officially fell off your global wagon.

 

Only ones left are the "believers" or the ones who will make a profit and want this to carry on. I was at my cousins this weekend and (at 45) went back to school to get a degree in engineering. He is specializing in green technology because that's where the money is. He has his name in for a job when he's done in June at the local garbage dump. Starting pay is $58,000 plus full coverage and a vehicle.His job will be to set up and operate a system to capture methane gas off of the garbage. Told me about how their are doing it in india and getting carbon credits. Bottom line, he was suprised at the real reason/cost of carbon trading but said he didn't care though. He said if the job was to burn the garbage with gasoline and produce more pollution, he'd do it. It's a job, a good paying job, that he wouldn't have otherwise. "The whole green thing might be a scam, but it can't be bad for the earth so who cares?"

 

So STP, you've got the ones with cognitive disonance and the ones who benifit monetarily from it. (and a good portion who benefit monetarily, don't fully believe according to him) The first group will over time admit they might of been wrong, the second group will quickly change when the money spigot is turned off.

[mustang_sallad]

Mt St Helens made a bigger mess when she blew her top than man has made since we have been on the planet.

 

Would you care to back that up with numbers?

 

Total annual CO2 output for volcanoes on land and under sea around the world:

200 million tons

 

Total fossil fuel CO2 emissions in 2003:

26.8 BILLION tons

 

Data obtained after 1 minute search on google, which lead to the US Geological Survey's Hawaiian Volcano Observatory website:

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15.html

 

Stop spouting a bunch of BS you hear from unqualified radio hosts.

[stephenhawkings]

Nice MUSTANG

 

I dont have anything more than oneliners for those who ramble on about communism, Obama, and religion, especially when the rambler is Canadian.

 

Science, is not religion, or politics.

If TRIMDINGBUTT gets some hard numbers or studies Im all ears

the anti climate change crowd doesn't have much in their corner, or if they do they haven't brought it forward yet.

I'll give you that the climate change groups rising sea levels might be a bit of 'shock and awe' but their observations of current conditions are usually accurate and confirmable.

Edited March 8, 2010 by stephenhawkings

[mustang_sallad]

Only ones left are the "believers" or the ones who will make a profit and want this to carry on.

 

How can you possibly compare the measly salary earned by the scientists behind the IPCC to the record breaking profits of the oil industry? Exxon made 45.2 BILLION dollars in 2008. The oil industry has a LOT more to lose than any of the IPCC scientists have to gain if there's a change in the status quo. That's a lot of money that goes a long way in swaying public opinion, and we're clearly seeing signs that it's working right here on this forum.

[goinbroke2]

Ah yes evil oil. Same as all large business or corporations are evil. How much did the CEO of XX company make? WOW, THAT'S just wrong, the government should limit them.

 

Yup, again, without proof, just "it must be", we have concluded that oil is again the evil culprit for everything.

 

By the way, your comparing a scientist or scientists who's job in life isn't to make profit's with an industry which is solely based on profit's. Makes for a good "scare tactic" line though.

How about changing it to;

"How can you possibly compare the measly salary earned by the scientists behind the IPCC to the record breaking profits of the tobacco industry"?

or

"How can you possibly compare the measly salary earned by the scientists behind the IPCC to the record breaking profits of the auto industry?

 

I'll let you in on something, the "big oil" companies are in business to make money. As such, if the oil dries up they will have another energy source to extract and sell because they are a BUSINESS! This is their reason to be. Ever notice the amount of investment they're making in other fields? Do you understand WHY? Do you think a multimillion dollar corporation is so narrow minded that they never think of the future?? Do some research on how much oil companies invest in non-oil ventures.

 

Ever heard of kalvinator and what they made? Then what they went to when markets changed? (a buddy's racecar was called the killer kalvinator)

 

Let's see, I'm a multibillion dollar company and there is this new thing called carbon trading....but you need massive bucks to get in on it...hmmm we got the cash, let's buy a billion's worth at a dollar each and sell them for $1.50. Compare that to a little start up "green" company that pools it's investors money and buys $100,000 worth.

 

If the world went "green" the oil companies profits would drop until they got in line with what sells again. Stop fooling yourself that these large corps would fall apart and die because oil went to $59 a barrel instead of $200 or if the oil dried up.

 

editted for my atrocious spelling LOL!

Edited March 9, 2010 by goinbroke2

[mustang_sallad]

Ah yes evil oil. Same as all large business or corporations are evil. How much did the CEO of XX company make? WOW, THAT'S just wrong, the government should limit them.

 

Yup, again, without proof, just "it must be", we have concluded that oil is again the evil culprit for everything.

 

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but if you want to talk about proof, how bout wide scientific consensus? Any reports of sceptical scientific viewpoints are thrown way out of proportion by a current economic situation (ie a whole shitload of money, not some obscure conspiracy theory) that is motivated to preserve itself naturally. It's pretty straightforward to understand that a lot of money gives you a loud voice and a lot of influence in this day and age. When an issue threatens that wealth, this influence will naturally do what it can to prevent change, and people like you are playing right into that game. One side of this argument has a MASSIVE vested interest in the outcome, the other side, quite modest. Why do we take everything the scientists say with a grain of salt while we give a free pass to the status quo? Personally I'd play it safe until it's proven that producing 26.8 billion tons of CO2 DOESN"T threat the livelihood of future generations. If a body of independent experts in the field of climate modeling with no ties to oil industry can tell me with 100% certainty that outputting 26.8 billion tons of CO2 a year (134 times more than all the volcanoes in the world - what does your gut feeling tell you?) is completely harmless, then I'll relax. Until then, I'm going about my life in a way that minimizes my personal fossil fuel combustion, and I'm going to push for others to do the same.

[grbeck]

Why do we take everything the scientists say with a grain of salt while we give a free pass to the status quo?

 

Because they bear the burden of proof, and the evidence that proponents of manmade global warming were using has turned out to be riddled with errors and outright fraud. What you are upset about is people aren't willing to accept "because I said so" as a valid argument.

 

If a body of independent experts in the field of climate modeling with no ties to oil industry can tell me with 100% certainty that outputting 26.8 billion tons of CO2 a year (134 times more than all the volcanoes in the world - what does your gut feeling tell you?) is completely harmless, then I'll relax. Until then, I'm going about my life in a way that minimizes my personal fossil fuel combustion, and I'm going to push for others to do the same.

 

That's not the way it works. Proponents of manmade global warming bear the burden of proving that it is happening; so far, they haven't met that burden.

 

You want people to prove something that may or not be happening really isn't happening. Sorry, real science doesn't work that way.

 

Until then, I'm going about my life in a way that minimizes my personal fossil fuel combustion, and I'm going to push for others to do the same.

 

You are free to do whatever you want in your private life, and if that is your goal, I applaud you for picking one and sticking to it.

 

If you want to "push" me to do the same, however, you will have to prove that you know more about the subject at hand than I do, and so far you haven't passed that test yet.

[mustang_sallad]

Considering that it's a proven fact that CO2 traps heat inside an atmosphere, and given that it's a fact that humans put out 26.8 Billion tons of the stuff per year, I require proof that we're not contributing to trapping heat inside the atmosphere.

 

The scientific proof has not been shown to be riddled with errors and fraud. Those with vested interests in the combustion of fossil fuels took one miniscule piece of communications on the topic out of context, found bits of the language that sounded bad, and trumpeted this out to the world thanks to the loud voice given to those with shitloads of money and with no understanding of the topics being discussed. These communications have been looked at, and while the language used sounded bad to somebody who doesn't understand what they're talking about, those who are educated in this field have confirmed that no falsification of data had occurred.

[grbeck]

Considering that it's a proven fact that CO2 traps heat inside an atmosphere, and given that it's a fact that humans put out 26.8 Billion tons of the stuff per year, I require proof that we're not contributing to trapping heat inside the atmosphere.

 

Doesn't work that way. You need to prove that it is fueling an increase in global temperatures. That is how science works.

 

There is no consistent, reliable evidence that is happening. There has been no significant global warming for 15 years; indeed, there has been cooling for the past nine years. The models used by proponents of the theory of manmade global warming all predicted a significant INCREASE in temperatures during that time. Oops...

 

The scientific proof has not been shown to be riddled with errors and fraud. Those with vested interests in the combustion of fossil fuels took one miniscule piece of communications on the topic out of context, found bits of the language that sounded bad, and trumpeted this out to the world thanks to the loud voice given to those with shitloads of money and with no understanding of the topics being discussed. These communications have been looked at, and while the language used sounded bad to somebody who doesn't understand what they're talking about, those who are educated in this field have confirmed that no falsification of data had occurred.

 

The scientists manipulated data to get their preferred results, and hide a decline in temperatures that put a serious hole in their theories. That sounds pretty serious to me. Then, said scientists conveniently "lost" earlier data when asked to prove their work.

 

Whether it's outright fraud, or simple incompetence, the brutal truth is that the case for manmade global warming has been sinking faster than the Titanic, and the iceberg of reality that brought about the sinking where the exposed words and cover-ups of the theory's chief proponents.

 

These communications have been looked at, and while the language used sounded bad to somebody who doesn't understand what they're talking about, those who are educated in this field have confirmed that no falsification of data had occurred.

 

Those who "understand what they are talking about" used faulty data, tried to hide results that were not favorable to their theory, and were dumb enough to accept the story about melting snow in the Himalaya Mountains. They don't have a good track record on this subject.

[stephenhawkings]

Doesn't work that way. You need to prove that it is fueling an increase in global temperatures. That is how science works.

 

There is no consistent, reliable evidence that is happening. There has been no significant global warming for 15 years; indeed, there has been cooling for the past nine years. The models used by proponents of the theory of manmade global warming all predicted a significant INCREASE in temperatures during that time. Oops...

 

 

 

The scientists manipulated data to get their preferred results, and hide a decline in temperatures that put a serious hole in their theories. That sounds pretty serious to me. Then, said scientists conveniently "lost" earlier data when asked to prove their work.

 

Whether it's outright fraud, or simple incompetence, the brutal truth is that the case for manmade global warming has been sinking faster than the Titanic, and the iceberg of reality that brought about the sinking where the exposed words and cover-ups of the theory's chief proponents.

 

 

 

Those who "understand what they are talking about" used faulty data, tried to hide results that were not favorable to their theory, and were dumb enough to accept the story about melting snow in the Himalaya Mountains. They don't have a good track record on this subject.

Ok so what are we going to blame the wrming on since the humans have to prove that they are the ones doing it and until then its not our fault?

[mustang_sallad]

15 years is a pittance. These are trends that have been rolling for over 100 years. Just look at the ice sheets. All of a sudden we have countries fighting over who owns what up North. Do you remember any of that happening 15 years ago?