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#1 OFFLINE   sprinter

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 10:25 AM

http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/8299079.stm



To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

Professor Latif is based at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University in Germany and is one of the world's top climate modellers.

But he makes it clear that he has not become a sceptic; he believes that this cooling will be temporary, before the overwhelming force of man-made global warming reasserts itself.


Will these dorks ever admit that the warming/cooling is cyclic in nature and man has little to do with it? With temperatures going down and man still creating large amounts of carbon dioxide, this should be more than obvious.
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#2 OFFLINE   mikem12

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 08:44 PM

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Will these dorks ever admit that the warming/cooling is cyclic in nature and man has little to do with it? With temperatures going down and man still creating large amounts of carbon dioxide, this should be more than obvious.



Nah way to much money involved for Al Gore,peeluci and others

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 09:11 PM

And they keep pulling more and more bullshit out of their asses!
First it was straight up Global Warming was going to melt us all witin 10 years
Next they started to call it climate change so that way when the weather did what it wanted to ( as it alwasy does) they could blame it on us
And now that it is clearly not getting warmer but instead cooler we can get ready for a massive World ending warming after?? :headscratch:

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 02:27 AM

And they keep pulling more and more bullshit out of their asses!
First it was straight up Global Warming was going to melt us all witin 10 years
Next they started to call it climate change so that way when the weather did what it wanted to ( as it alwasy does) they could blame it on us
And now that it is clearly not getting warmer but instead cooler we can get ready for a massive World ending warming after?? :headscratch:

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Ha, the debate over ACC has been over for quite awhile, Obama WILL sign the climate treaty in Copenhagen (HOPEnhagen) in December. Open up that wallet bronco!

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:07 AM

Ha, the debate over ACC has been over for quite awhile


A SCIENTIFIC debate is never over. That's what's such a joke about all of this. Hell, even legitimate questions about the theories of gravity are still being put forth.
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:57 AM

Poor STP, you really think this is going to put others in their place. Make then kneel to your god? Don't count on it. You are willing to enslave yourself just on the chance that you might be able to see others in chains. Don't pretend to be for the environment, it is obvious that your goal is to punish humanity.

The only people who are going to be effected are people like you, and the poor in general. The wealthy and the elite will all do as they please. Any one with means will trade carbon credits in the same way they trade any other component of their portfolio, only these will be even easier because the price will always go up. Just think of it this way, you will be paying me for enough carbon credits to make you life bearable, and my life magnificent. Surely you didn't think Al Gore was stupid, that he would actually propose something that would limit his lifestyle? LOL!

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:44 AM

Poor STP, you really think this is going to put others in their place. Make then kneel to your god? Don't count on it. You are willing to enslave yourself just on the chance that you might be able to see others in chains. Don't pretend to be for the environment, it is obvious that your goal is to punish humanity.

The only people who are going to be effected are people like you, and the poor in general. The wealthy and the elite will all do as they please. Any one with means will trade carbon credits in the same way they trade any other component of their portfolio, only these will be even easier because the price will always go up. Just think of it this way, you will be paying me for enough carbon credits to make you life bearable, and my life magnificent. Surely you didn't think Al Gore was stupid, that he would actually propose something that would limit his lifestyle? LOL!

It's painfully obvious that you are stuck in a paradigm of filthy Capitalism, It's sad that conservatives are willing to go way over budget on a war to kill people over WMD that were never there, yet they baulk at the thought of spending a fraction of the money spent on Iraq to give people health care or to try to improve our environment.
There are Soooo many humanitarian here at BON and you sir are one of them.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:54 AM

Poor STP, you really think this is going to put others in their place. Make then kneel to your god? Don't count on it. You are willing to enslave yourself just on the chance that you might be able to see others in chains. Don't pretend to be for the environment, it is obvious that your goal is to punish humanity.

The only people who are going to be effected are people like you, and the poor in general. The wealthy and the elite will all do as they please. Any one with means will trade carbon credits in the same way they trade any other component of their portfolio, only these will be even easier because the price will always go up. Just think of it this way, you will be paying me for enough carbon credits to make you life bearable, and my life magnificent. Surely you didn't think Al Gore was stupid, that he would actually propose something that would limit his lifestyle? LOL!

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:57 AM

It's painfully obvious that you are stuck in a paradigm of filthy Capitalism, It's sad that conservatives are willing to go way over budget on a war to kill people over WMD that were never there, yet they baulk at the thought of spending a fraction of the money spent on Iraq to give people health care or to try to improve our environment.
There are Soooo many humanitarian here at BON and you sir are one of them.

We don't inherit the planet from our ancestor's, we borrow it from our grandchildren.


We spend billions to improve our environment. We'd prefer that any additional billions spent actually be spent to further improve the environment, not be funneled into the government's pocket to spend as it pleases under the guise of "fighting global warming."

The entire "consensus" over global warming is unraveling, so you'd better do some more reading on this subject so that you won't look so poorly informed.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

We spend billions to improve our environment. We'd prefer that any additional billions spent actually be spent to further improve the environment, not be funneled into the government's pocket to spend as it pleases under the guise of "fighting global warming."

The entire "consensus" over global warming is unraveling, so you'd better do some more reading on this subject so that you won't look so poorly informed.

I have read quite a bit on the subject, and yes I do need to read more. The subject has been debated extensively here on BON

http://www.blueovalf...showtopic=25582


The thing is that you guys think that we are in it for the money, you might want to mark this down, our existence does not revolve around money like yours does. We don't think like you do, it's not about making money! Where was your concern about the billions being spent when the war in Iraq was continuously going over budget? Where were the tea parties and the protesters when GW was running up the deficit?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 01:45 PM

The thing is that you guys think that we are in it for the money, you might want to mark this down, our existence does not revolve around money like yours does. We don't think like you do, it's not about making money!


To you maybe it isn't about that. To the polticians pushing it so hard in Washington and around the globe? You bet it is.

Where was your concern about the billions being spent when the war in Iraq was continuously going over budget? Where were the tea parties and the protesters when GW was running up the deficit?


It was here all along. Fiscal conservatives such as myself disliked Bush as much as anyone.
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 02:28 PM

The thing is that you guys think that we are in it for the money, you might want to mark this down, our existence does not revolve around money like yours does. We don't think like you do, it's not about making money!


Of course it isn't; when you collect money by taxing what other people have already made, you have the luxury of not worrying about actually making money.

And if you don't think that government bureaucrats don't salivate over another huge pot of money to spend, and another sector of the economy to regulate, then you must also still believe that a big fat man dressed in red will be leaving you presents on December 24.

Where was your concern about the billions being spent when the war in Iraq was continuously going over budget? Where were the tea parties and the protesters when GW was running up the deficit?


Uh, a man who won the 2008 presidential election rode into office by criticizing those deficits and the war - which tells me that plenty of people were unhappy with those policies, too - and promptly started championing policies and programs that would make the deficits WORSE. Hence, the tea parties and protests. I think that someone hasn't been paying attention, and it is YOU.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 03:27 PM

The thing is that you guys think that we are in it for the money, you might want to mark this down, our existence does not revolve around money like yours does. We don't think like you do, it's not about making money!


It is obvious that you are not into anything for the money, it is your religion, your blind faith. What is also obvoius is that your church has been sold out from underneath you. Don't you see the hypocrisy? Your environmental priests sell themselves cheap for the price of a few carbon credits. You didn't even wait for the temple to be built before you invited the money changers. LOL!

Do you really believe that cap and trade has anything to do with environmentalism? If you created a list of all the ways to limit carbon, where would cap and trade fall on that list? Any real fascist would just demand that people obey. Stalin would have approved, Mao would have approved. Ask the dead what they think. Or a Tax might work, or you could even get the engineers involved to create a real solution. Still not getting it? Imagine how effective cap and trade would be if you put a cap on alcohol consumption, or tobacco? Have you noticed C & T hasn't been effective at doing anything but making some people rich?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:00 PM

Panic of the 70's is making a return!



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Posted 15 October 2009 - 09:42 PM

A SCIENTIFIC debate is never over.


And in the science world, I'm sure the debate is far from over. Outside the science world, unfortunately, there are two camps that pretty much won't budge no matter what.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:38 AM

Panic of the 70's is making a return!



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Is the date on that december 24 1979? Like to read the article and see how closely it matches up with the propaganda of today.
I can imagine the story if rewrote today;
"the world is cooling..oops ,scratch scratch. warming..at an unprecidented level and will be to cold..,scratch scratch. warm to be inhabited by 2000..scratch scratch..2030"

Just what is the ideal temp of the earth???? What do you mean nobody knows??? Then how can we say it is too hot/cold???

MMGW is bullshit. Global warming is true, and global cooling is true, both are effected by the sun is true, man made? Bull!
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 05:49 AM

I have read quite a bit on the subject, and yes I do need to read more. The subject has been debated extensively here on BON

http://www.blueovalf...showtopic=25582

First thing. The last time I saw you here, you said you were leaving to take care of your sick Mother. Hope she's feeling better. Given that you seem to be back to your old self, it must no longer be an issue.

The thing is that you guys think that we are in it for the money, you might want to mark this down, our existence does not revolve around money like yours does. We don't think like you do, it's not about making money! Where was your concern about the billions being spent when the war in Iraq was continuously going over budget? Where were the tea parties and the protesters when GW was running up the deficit?


Now, if "you guys" aren't in it for the money, then what is the money for? Who do you pay to reduce global warming? Do you write a check to God, Gaia, or Al Gore? Unless the money is paying some guy with a giant vacuum cleaner sucking the CO2 from the atmosphere, then what is the money for? If it isn't cleaning up anything, then it serves no function, and should not exist (at least for existence sake).

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:06 AM

Read the time article, more about oil prices than climate change.
Check this out though;
http://www.denisdutt...oling_world.htm
This is newsweek from 1975.
Read it and see the similarities to the panic being spread today. Yes they are right IF the earth cools then in theory there COULD be less food grown. Same as today, if the earth heats up YES it could melt the caps etc,etc. The one fact they overlook is that man will always adapt and overcome.

If the earth average dropped and summers here were only 2 weeks long...more would be grown farther south (the "new" greenbelt). If the earth heats up, then the greenbelt would move north and we could have palm tree's in southern canada.
And the animals? yes they would adapt over the years too. The ones that did not would become extict...like the dodo,dinosaurs,etc.

It all boils down to, stop thinking thou (man) art so powerful as to change the earth. We are but a TINY part of it and everything works in relation to each other.

Can you imagine if all these "save the planet" freaks were around during WW2? HOW many oil tankers and other ships were sunk in the ocean, spewing oil?? How many fires/blasts/floods(holland dams) were initiated by man over a short 6 year period and yet......years later there is no blip in the radar of temp/radiation/etc for that period?
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:08 AM

Oh, and from that article, I just had to share this special tidbit; "Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve." :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:03 AM

Despite the hullabaloo over manmade global warming, we will be using less fossil fuel in the future, simply because of higher energy prices and the desire for greater efficiency.








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