mustang84isu Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Here's some more "winners" from the rally. It's no wonder why the rest of the world mocks us. Edited September 15, 2009 by mustang84isu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 A million or tens of thousands? the article says both, and offers no credible source of its numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 A million or tens of thousands? the article says both, and offers no credible source of its numbers. It was maybe 60,000, and that is being generous. Some conservative outlets are showing aerial images with people stretching back toward the Washington Monument and claiming them to be this rally. The pictures are actually from was a March of Dimes rally 5 years ago...it's easy to tell the images were 5 years old because the National Museum of the American Indian had not been built yet. Most reports say the protesters were confined to the Capitol grounds with some filed back toward 3rd Street, but the March of Dimes photo shows people spilling all the way back to 14th, and about 1.2 million were in attendance for that. So clearly there was nowhere near 1 million (or even the 2 million some are claiming). It's nothing but right wing propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Hey Nap, Were you outraged by the inflated MMM numbers? If so, why aren't you outraged now? No, since I'm a black American male I was proud (at the time) that that many black men could come together and show some unity...sad part...there was never any follow through..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) No, since I'm a black American male I was proud (at the time) that that many black men could come together and show some unity...sad part...there was never any follow through..... I agree with you on the unity part and the lack of follow through. As I said I'm no fan of Farrakhan but I don't dispute the part of his message that seeks to have the black community empower itself through education and business. It is very close to many of the things Bill Cosby has said over the years and for which he has taken a lot of undeserved abuse. That said, Is it OK with you that supporters of causes you agree with inflate their numbers but not those with which you disagree? Hell Glenn Beck is now insisting that some University that he can't name has estimated 1.7 million. Even the promotors won't go anywhere near that number. My point was that by lying about the crowd, they have damaged their credibility (teh Nazi Obama signs don't help much either). Hey Beck, Stop makin' stuff up. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/g...t_n_287136.html Edited September 16, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) Demographic of the protestors Individual interviews of the protestors (interesting responses) Edit: Mark already posted the Beck video Edited September 16, 2009 by mustang84isu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Some on this thread are quick to dismiss the event (and the protestors) as inconsequential, but yet are still compelled to diminish it (and them). This seems contradictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Some on this thread are quick to dismiss the event (and the protestors) as inconsequential, but yet are still compelled to diminish it (and them). This seems contradictory. The more I see of the protesters the less credibility they have with me. much the same way I feel about Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. I am generally embarrassed by the wingnuts on the left. I don't see very much of that embarrassment on the right with their wingnuts. The republican leadership seems to be egging the worst of them on. McCain is one of the few to take the haters to task. It is coming though. I am starting to see some of the conservatives writing on how damaging the extremists are to conservatism. Honestly, William F. Buckley, Jr. would not tolerate this kind of nonsense. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/t...o_n_286933.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-sto...eastoriginalsC1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Some on this thread are quick to dismiss the event (and the protestors) as inconsequential, but yet are still compelled to diminish it (and them). This seems contradictory. I don't mind them going out and protesting. After all, protesting happens all the time in Washington DC for all kinds of causes. My problem is that a vast majority of them have no idea what they are protesting. They have not read the proposals for themselves, instead relying on Beck & others as their vehicle for (mis)information. The 20 year seasoned medical professional completely contradicts herself in that video. The other guy thinks socialism, fascism, and communism are all the same thing, when two of them are political systems and one of them is an economic system, and all three of them have their own distinct ideologies. My other problem is that most of these protesters choose to attack the individual rather than the issue. The town halls and tea parties have been nothing but one big orgy of propaganda with little in the way of fact or rational, constructive debate. Instead of proposing alternatives, a vocal minority attending the town halls chooses to obstruct. I have no problem with opposition, but the signs and chants speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadtrip Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 From where I sit, it seems that a vast majority of the demonstrators have a pretty good idea of what they're protesting against: the general direction that Washington politicians are taking this country. "General" can be inclusive of many things, but the overriding theme of these protestors' complaints is tyranny -- or the threat of tyranny -- of the few (Washington politicians) versus the many (citizens and taxpayers). History observes that it wasn't actual tyranny, but merely the perceived threat of tyranny, that incited the American Revolution. The underdogs won decisively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The more I see of the protesters the less credibility they have with me. much the same way I feel about Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. I am generally embarrassed by the wingnuts on the left. I don't see very much of that embarrassment on the right with their wingnuts. The republican leadership seems to be egging the worst of them on. Republican leadership is egging them on because they're the only ones with the balls to speak out. Unfortunately the republican party is full of cowards. At least the radicals stand up for something... even if it is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 From where I sit, it seems that a vast majority of the demonstrators have a pretty good idea of what they're protesting against: the general direction that Washington politicians are taking this country. "General" can be inclusive of many things, but the overriding theme of these protestors' complaints is tyranny -- or the threat of tyranny -- of the few (Washington politicians) versus the many (citizens and taxpayers). History observes that it wasn't actual tyranny, but merely the perceived threat of tyranny, that incited the American Revolution. The underdogs won decisively. No, it was actual tyranny on the part of King George III that led to the American Revolution. Take a look at the Declaration of Independence, it's all there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 A picture is worth a thousand words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) A picture is worth a thousand words Yeah, great picture. 1.8 million vs. 60,000 Most of the protesters were confined to the Capitol grounds and marched down Pennsylvania Ave, while this is taken halfway down the National Mall where the majority of the activity missed. Why don't they instead take a shot from the Capitol grounds where there was probably plenty of garbage piled up? This is what 1.8 million people looks like. Pennsylvania Avenue is off to the right, and the pictures were taken halfway toward the Washington Monument. Edited September 16, 2009 by mustang84isu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Some on this thread are quick to dismiss the event (and the protestors) as inconsequential, but yet are still compelled to diminish it (and them). This seems contradictory. This is a very good point Ranger.......these are the very same people that are always invoking Rush, Hannity and Beck into their argument, as if these guys were elected officals with the power to change their lives......when they should be talking about durbin polosi and reid.......and like you say if these people are so inconsequential...why are they always talking about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I don't mind them going out and protesting. After all, protesting happens all the time in Washington DC for all kinds of causes. My problem is that a vast majority of them have no idea what they are protesting. They have not read the proposals for themselves, instead relying on Beck & others as their vehicle for (mis)information. The 20 year seasoned medical professional completely contradicts herself in that video. The other guy thinks socialism, fascism, and communism are all the same thing, when two of them are political systems and one of them is an economic system, and all three of them have their own distinct ideologies. My other problem is that most of these protesters choose to attack the individual rather than the issue. The town halls and tea parties have been nothing but one big orgy of propaganda with little in the way of fact or rational, constructive debate. Instead of proposing alternatives, a vocal minority attending the town halls chooses to obstruct. I have no problem with opposition, but the signs and chants speak for themselves. My problem is that a vast majority of them have no idea what they are protesting. They have not read the proposals for themselves, instead relying on Beck & others as their vehicle for (mis)information and you know this how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) and you know this how? Watch the interviews of the protesters. It's pretty clear that many of them are just repeating the same lines they heard from Rush, Hannity and Beck. While they are not politicians, they do have the power to influence many. They misquote and lie about the bills under consideration and that gets repeated by those who don't bother to read the bills for themselves. How many have held up signs saying get the government out of Medicare and think that there was no deficit before Jan 20? Even here there have been posts claiming that Acorn got $8 Million earmarked in the stimulus which is completely untrue. Edited September 16, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yeah, great picture. 1.8 million vs. 60,000 And this gives license for liberals to trash the streets and parks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 And this gives license for liberals to trash the streets and parks? No, I never said that. There was an obvious slant being suggested with that picture. The intent was to say Democrats litter and Republicans don't, yet they show an image from an area that wasn't anywhere near the rally. By the way, many of us who support Obama are independents and former Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 and you know this how? Did you bother to watch the videos I posted? There are plenty of YouTube videos of the town halls, and you can listen for yourself to the misinformed Rush/Hannity/Beck talking points they present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 This is a very good point Ranger.......these are the very same people that are always invoking Rush, Hannity and Beck into their argument, as if these guys were elected officals with the power to change their lives......when they should be talking about durbin polosi and reid.......and like you say if these people are so inconsequential...why are they always talking about them? The media has far more power than you give credit. Bill O'Reilly's "Tiller the baby killer" tirades influenced Scott Roeder to assassinate the doctor who, whether you agree with abortion or not, was performing a service that is legal within the boundaries of this nation. Fox News and Rush distort facts and lie to scare the gullible. Most Americans are sane enough to know better, but there are plenty of people in this country who live in a paranoid alternate reality and would commit some horrendous acts based on what they hear on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 (edited) Limbaugh's latest Race Baiting. Let's blame the Black President when kids get into a fight on a school bus. Limbaugh's douchebaggery knows no limit. Limbaugh's comments are after the Dobbs piece at 1:00 in. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/r...r_n_288371.html Edited September 16, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Limbaugh's latest Race Baiting. Let's blame the Black President when kids get into a fight on a school bus. Limbaugh's douchebaggery knows no limit. Limbaugh's comments are after the Dobbs piece at 1:00 in. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/r...r_n_288371.html hey, theres some that beleive everything he says...sheep....my guess is that pertains to a few here that CONSTANTLY scrape the bottom of the media barrel and post such crap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Did you bother to watch the videos I posted? There are plenty of YouTube videos of the town halls, and you can listen for yourself to the misinformed Rush/Hannity/Beck talking points they present. the videos you "posted".......I'm sure you only picked the ones that would add credence to your point of view.....like Ranger, I'm trying to understand why these people worry you libs....I think I know but you'd never admit it.......keep worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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