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Here in the Commonwealth ....and I noticed that you didn't say anything about waste and fraud of Medicare ....interesting

 

First, what's the difference between a commonwealth and a state

 

Second, the fraud is not perpetuated by the patient, so shifty doc's exist every where

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Trim I respect your post, most of the time, some are a bit over the top. You are stuck on this socialized thing....A single payer system (like medicare) is not socialized medicine. The biggest change that needs to occur in the US, is for doctors, and the patient to make medical decisions not insurance companies. Insurance companies through actuary science study what is profitable to cover. Again, we in the US can make a major impact on health care cost by eliminating the middle man, standardizing covered services etc. Just think how many people a doctor's office employs just to handle insurance forms. Multiply that by all the hospitals / doctor offices in the United States and you have the tip of the iceberg in the United States.

 

Not to mention all the tax money that has gone toward medical research, drug treatment etc. And a private company is awarded a patent and allowed to sell treatment back to the patient for a profit...what a perfect scheme, for the research company. We can take the profit made and make a healthy campaign contribution to politician A who helped get funding for treatment.

 

 

Trust me. You do not want any more government. Many thousands of people are demonstrating in Washington to-day for that very reason. Government is never the answer for anything. They just make things worse. It is like the song about the lady who swallowed a fly. She should have just left it at that, but by the time she was done, she swallowed a horse. If we had just sorted out our own problems as they came up instead of turning to government, we would not be under this impossible load of debt and regulation that we have now. You can't turn around without being in violation of some law. If the government wanted to, it could put us in jail. We are now living under a Fascist system.

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Why the Post Office will never make money (and a lesson for health insurance)

This applies in the case of nearly every quasi-governmental venture. Politicians from both parties, beginning with President Clinton and including President Bush, prodded Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to expand the pool of mortgages whose risk they would assume to include the credit-unworthy. We have since reaped the disastrous results of this business decision made for political reasons.

 

The lesson: hybrid government-business ventures have political aims which inevitably come to cross-purposes with their business goals.

 

Along the same lines, consider the much-debated government-run "public option" health insurance plan. Assume, generously, that it will not gouge and ultimately destroy its private competition through predatory pricing. How many lawmakers will pen letters like Casey's, in hopes of micromanaging this government-run insurance company's insurance activities? Can anyone take seriously the Obama administration's claim that a government-run insurance company will not begin receiving taxpayer subsidies, the moment its clients begin demanding additional services from their congressmen?

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Here in the Commonwealth we have the DMV, run by the state government, dept of transportation, one of the most inefficient agencies in the state.......but thanks for helping make my point.....your state has outsourced (not government run) it and it looks like you're satisfied with it's performance......you may want to do a little more research on the USPS....they are running on a deficit....in the billions.....but the government (read taxpayers) will bail them out......FedX and UPS are much more efficient than the postal service.....the only reason they're not in the mail business is because they are not allowed by law....so the USPS has a monopoly on delivering your mail.....so they can charge whatever they want.....that's why they can't compete in the parcel packing business......ever see how fast a UPS/ FedX driver moves.....and then watch your postman....and I noticed that you didn't say anything about waste and fraud of Medicare ....interesting

 

 

If the USPS were to stop first class mail today, and the workforce was sufficient to deliver only parcels they would not be running a deficit, but would still be at a fiscal disadvantage with their competition. UPS, FED-EX and DHL are not mandated by the government to pay the entire pensions for retired VETs currently working for them like the USPS. In addition UPS, FED-EX, and DHL are not required to fund their pension fund at 51% no other industry is. This legislation occurred in 2005, and put them at a competitive disadvantage.

 

As for the monopoly, huh it costs you 44 cents to mail a letter, how much did it cost 200 years ago? Your not being gouged, and none of the other services would even consider first class mail delivery if it was legal. There is no future in it, and that is because of electronic communications.

 

I have a feeling you are guessing and don't really know who runs you DMV in your state, next time you get you plates ask the clerk who owns, and operates their office. How can it be a mess, are you pissed over the cost of your plates and license? If so we have common ground, however the treasurers sets the rates, and the local offices must charge what the state demands. In Ohio the Governor decided to put a liberty bell in every county, and they raised the price of plates to cover the cost.

 

As for medicare fraud, that will be dealt with though the health care reform bill that will be passed shortly! It is going to address fraud within the entire industry.

 

Here is a LINK discussing the bill that is causing the postal deficit!

 

If not for this bill passing in 2005 the USPS would have been profitable in 2008!

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If the USPS were to stop first class mail today, and the workforce was sufficient to deliver only parcels they would not be running a deficit, but would still be at a fiscal disadvantage with their competition. UPS, FED-EX and DHL are not mandated by the government to pay the entire pensions for retired VETs currently working for them like the USPS. In addition UPS, FED-EX, and DHL are not required to fund their pension fund at 51% no other industry is. This legislation occurred in 2005, and put them at a competitive disadvantage.

 

As for the monopoly, huh it costs you 44 cents to mail a letter, how much did it cost 200 years ago? Your not being gouged, and none of the other services would even consider first class mail delivery if it was legal. There is no future in it, and that is because of electronic communications.

 

I have a feeling you are guessing and don't really know who runs you DMV in your state, next time you get you plates ask the clerk who owns, and operates their office. How can it be a mess, are you pissed over the cost of your plates and license? If so we have common ground, however the treasurers sets the rates, and the local offices must charge what the state demands. In Ohio the Governor decided to put a liberty bell in every county, and they raised the price of plates to cover the cost.

 

As for medicare fraud, that will be dealt with though the health care reform bill that will be passed shortly! It is going to address fraud within the entire industry.

 

Here is a LINK discussing the bill that is causing the postal deficit!

 

If not for this bill passing in 2005 the USPS would have been profitable in 2008!

Our DMV is staffed by state employees......and hanks again with helping my argument with the USPS.....read Parade Mag. today...interesting article about the postal service....it has been suggested that it should go the way of Germany, Britain and Japan and allow competition.......and what makes you think that the fraud will be reducded by just passing this bill.....why not do it now??????

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Our DMV is staffed by state employees......and hanks again with helping my argument with the USPS.....read Parade Mag. today...interesting article about the postal service....it has been suggested that it should go the way of Germany, Britain and Japan and allow competition.......and what makes you think that the fraud will be reducded by just passing this bill.....why not do it now??????

 

 

I didn't help your argument at all, I rebutted you misinformation.

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I didn't help your argument at all, I rebutted you misinformation.

you were saying how well the DMV operated in your state and yoou went on to say that it's not run by the state....here it's run totally by the state and it's lousy......thus my argument for less entities run by the gov.....such as healthcare, auto companies, banks.....

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you were saying how well the DMV operated in your state and yoou went on to say that it's not run by the state....here it's run totally by the state and it's lousy......thus my argument for less entities run by the gov.....such as healthcare, auto companies, banks.....

Same here, it's run by the state and it sucks.

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I do, just waiting for someone to tell me what the government runs good and efficiently.

 

 

Medicare and Medicaid have a 82% approval rating.

 

Think about this. Over the last 9 months the Health Insurance industry has spent 375 million dollars to fight reform. If you dig a little you will find they are behind the screamers in these so called "town hall" meetings. Lobbying groups like "freedom works" are nothing but republican run insurance industry paid for groups.

 

They are getting away with murder. You think Govt ins will have death panels? I have news for you, your insurance company already does. They drop you or deny care when they want.

 

I believe in capitalism and the company's right to make money but these companies are abusing the system and killing people in the process. The reason why this country health care system is rated so low.

 

Now the insurance, oil, (insert your industry here) owned Republican Party is throwing out words like Facism,Socialism, and Nazism to people who have no clue what they mean. But they work. They gey a rise out of everyone without a brain.

 

The Census Bureau on Thursday reported the average person lost ground during Bush's 2 presidencys. Here is the link.

 

 

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/cl...bush_legacy.php

 

 

Sorry about the rant... but I had to get it off my chest.

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Medicare and Medicaid have a 82% approval rating.

 

Think about this. Over the last 9 months the Health Insurance industry has spent 375 million dollars to fight reform. If you dig a little you will find they are behind the screamers in these so called "town hall" meetings. Lobbying groups like "freedom works" are nothing but republican run insurance industry paid for groups.

 

They are getting away with murder. You think Govt ins will have death panels? I have news for you, your insurance company already does. They drop you or deny care when they want.

 

I believe in capitalism and the company's right to make money but these companies are abusing the system and killing people in the process. The reason why this country health care system is rated so low.

 

Now the insurance, oil, (insert your industry here) owned Republican Party is throwing out words like Facism,Socialism, and Nazism to people who have no clue what they mean. But they work. They gey a rise out of everyone without a brain.

 

The Census Bureau on Thursday reported the average person lost ground during Bush's 2 presidencys. Here is the link.

 

 

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/cl...bush_legacy.php

 

 

Sorry about the rant... but I had to get it off my chest.

 

The article you linked to is getting it's info from the recent Census Report on Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance. It reports that from 2004-2007 27.8% of the bottom 25% of income earners were able to raise themselves into the next quartile. Over that same period of time, 27% of the top earners dropped into the 50-75% quartile. It would seem that the average man did OK. That was not the point the author of your article was trying to make. If food stamps were included as income, 1.7 million more people would rise above the poverty line. If the value of the federal earned income tax credit were included, 2.4 million more children would be raised above the poverty line. Political articles (or movies) will present the facts they want to use.

 

As for your 82% like Medicare or Medicaid, -"However, an analysis of the data by age suggests that the private-government gap may be so small because senior citizens -- the vast majority of whom are covered by Medicare -- give very positive ratings to their healthcare coverage and quality. Among non-seniors, private plans tend to get better ratings than the traditional government plans on both coverage and quality."

 

I'm interested in health care reform, but 87% of people with private health insurance (like that provided by Ford Motor Company) are satisfied with the coverage and quality they are recieving. It is going to be a tough sell as health care is not on people's minds as much as the economy and the housing issues.

 

If the gov't could offer a variety of health care options at different costs to compete with the private industry and it meant Ford could pay me more by not having to provide that benefit, I'd be all for it.

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Medicare and Medicaid have a 82% approval rating.

 

Think about this. Over the last 9 months the Health Insurance industry has spent 375 million dollars to fight reform. If you dig a little you will find they are behind the screamers in these so called "town hall" meetings. Lobbying groups like "freedom works" are nothing but republican run insurance industry paid for groups.

 

They are getting away with murder. You think Govt ins will have death panels? I have news for you, your insurance company already does. They drop you or deny care when they want.

 

I believe in capitalism and the company's right to make money but these companies are abusing the system and killing people in the process. The reason why this country health care system is rated so low.

 

Now the insurance, oil, (insert your industry here) owned Republican Party is throwing out words like Facism,Socialism, and Nazism to people who have no clue what they mean. But they work. They gey a rise out of everyone without a brain.

 

The Census Bureau on Thursday reported the average person lost ground during Bush's 2 presidencys. Here is the link.

 

 

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/cl...bush_legacy.php

 

 

 

Sorry about the rant... but I had to get it off my chest.

What about the efficiency part? In reality they are bankrupt.

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That's funny I'm waiting for a valid complaint about your DMV. Why is it lousy, because you have to pay for your license and plates? If so it sucks in Ohio too LOL!

1. I know someone that works there, well not actually works. He even jokes about not doing anything.

2. No matter when I go there I am there for a minimum of an hour with 99% of my time sitting in a chair waiting.

3. I would also say that over 50% of the time they make some kind of mistake.

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As for your 82% like Medicare or Medicaid, -"However, an analysis of the data by age suggests that the private-government gap may be so small because senior citizens -- the vast majority of whom are covered by Medicare -- give very positive ratings to their healthcare coverage and quality. Among non-seniors, private plans tend to get better ratings than the traditional government plans on both coverage and quality."

 

I'm interested in health care reform, but 87% of people with private health insurance (like that provided by Ford Motor Company) are satisfied with the coverage and quality they are recieving. It is going to be a tough sell as health care is not on people's minds as much as the economy and the housing issues.

 

If the gov't could offer a variety of health care options at different costs to compete with the private industry and it meant Ford could pay me more by not having to provide that benefit, I'd be all for it.

 

Correct, data can always be skewed. Like 87% with private insurance... We are comparing seniors with medicare, and younger people with private insurance. Neither group has the option of the others i.e. choice.

 

Healthcare is an economy issue! Without reform our industries cannot compete, and can you explain why we have money for everything but a domestic agenda.

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1. I know someone that works there, well not actually works. He even jokes about not doing anything.

2. No matter when I go there I am there for a minimum of an hour with 99% of my time sitting in a chair waiting.

3. I would also say that over 50% of the time they make some kind of mistake.

 

Opinions are typically skewed.

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1. I know someone that works there, well not actually works. He even jokes about not doing anything.

 

You and I both know what you are saying is not true. The reason you take number when you get in the door is because the lobby is full of people getting there plates, license, or title work done. The clerks work continuously through the summer months because of boat and ATV titles, and stickers. there is only a lull in the winter.

 

 

 

2. No matter when I go there I am there for a minimum of an hour with 99% of my time sitting in a chair waiting.

 

Proof the clerks do not do nothing!

 

3. I would also say that over 50% of the time they make some kind of mistake.

 

Clerical errors do happen, however I never got the wrong plates, I was never not issued a sticker, and I was always issued a license. 90% of people dissatisfaction with the DMV/BMV is that they were not prepared when going to buy what they needed there. If you are an illegal alien you probably don't like the DMV/BMV because they make you verify your identity before they will issue a license. Also if you forget your ID, title, registration, E-Check testing results or other pertinent information you will not walk out with what you went there for.

 

I don't like the idea that you have to pay a tax for these privileges, and I don't like what it costs, but that does not mean they are not profitable or a failure. The only reason that the government contracts out in my state is to alleviate pension liabilities to the state! Same as the USPS contracting out their bulk mail!

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That's funny I'm waiting for a valid complaint about your DMV. Why is it lousy, because you have to pay for your license and plates? If so it sucks in Ohio too LOL!

No, because no matter when you go in there the line is out the door......2 hour wait......"oh, we've changed that form you've waited in line with for the last 2 hours"......too much bureaucracy for just a set of small metal tags .....

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No, because no matter when you go in there the line is out the door......2 hour wait......"oh, we've changed that form you've waited in line with for the last 2 hours"......too much bureaucracy for just a set of small metal tags .....

 

 

Lines out the door, 2 hour waits, and the clerk's don't work LOL! Hey you did know that there is more then 1 BMV office in your state, I go to the next town over to get my plates because it has less traffic. If you know there is a 2 hour wait where you normally go, would it not be worth it to drive 15 min. to the the next office to save yourself an hour or so. The only way they could cut the wait time in the office you go to is to hire more clerks, but that would force them to lay them off in the winter. This could also make them unprofitable by increasing their overhead. Thank you both though, you have proved my point. The clerks work hard, and despite the inconvenience the DMV/BMV is not a failed government/non-government agency.

 

Don't get me wrong I don't like what they charge, and I find it a pain to go through. However they do force the public to provide the proper documentation, and this does limit the number of illegals that are able to fraudulently acquire driver's licenses across the country. I own a 26' commercial box truck that I use for my side business, so I am very aware of what the state charges to be compliant! This is not however a litheness test for whether or not the agency is a failure/success.

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Lines out the door, 2 hour waits, and the clerk's don't work LOL! Hey you did know that there is more then 1 BMV office in your state, I go to the next town over to get my plates because it has less traffic. If you know there is a 2 hour wait where you normally go, would it not be worth it to drive 15 min. to the the next office to save yourself an hour or so. The only way they could cut the wait time in the office you go to is to hire more clerks, but that would force them to lay them off in the winter. This could also make them unprofitable by increasing their overhead. Thank you both though, you have proved my point. The clerks work hard, and despite the inconvenience the DMV/BMV is not a failed government/non-government agency.

 

Don't get me wrong I don't like what they charge, and I find it a pain to go through. However they do force the public to provide the proper documentation, and this does limit the number of illegals that are able to fraudulently acquire driver's licenses across the country. I own a 26' commercial box truck that I use for my side business, so I am very aware of what the state charges to be compliant! This is not however a litheness test for whether or not the agency is a failure/success.

Do you have problems with reading comprehension?......no disrespect but things just seem to go over your head...

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Do you have problems with reading comprehension?......no disrespect but things just seem to go over your head...

 

To the contrary, you have problems admitting you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and you cite examples that are not even true to drive home your opinion. If you are going to make a complaint then you better make sure you are accurate, and can back it up. Otherwise you will continue to look like an ass at every turn while debating. Making blanketed statements on baseless facts doesn't convince anyone of anything. Hey Napfister, I thought you had me on your ignore list.

 

Two types of people in this world I have no use for! Liars, and thieves. At this point you have done nothing to back up your claims, there for you are either being dishonest, or are misinformed! "The government cannot run anything right", turn off your T.V. and think for yourself. Your views are republican talking points, and are recited directly from Bill O'Reilly's news cast! Let's use fear of a government take over to block health care reform, it's not gonna work! People know what they are currently paying for their meds, and are aware of what direction that cost will continue to head without intervention!

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Now seriously...Is there anyone who thinks the government does a good job administering any program.... If you deal with state employees....is it a good experience?....If you deal with federal employees...like IRS or border patrol or the different branches of the service....do any of these strike you as lean, efficient, well oiled machines. Here's a test...out of all the government programs...is there any one that you would like to pay more into it to expand it...I think I know the answer....Hell, given the choice, most communities can't pass a school levy...the schools are not wasting money...they're trying to educate tomorrows leaders

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Now seriously...Is there anyone who thinks the government does a good job administering any program.... If you deal with state employees....is it a good experience?....If you deal with federal employees...like IRS or border patrol or the different branches of the service....do any of these strike you as lean, efficient, well oiled machines. Here's a test...out of all the government programs...is there any one that you would like to pay more into it to expand it...I think I know the answer....Hell, given the choice, most communities can't pass a school levy...the schools are not wasting money...they're trying to educate tomorrows leaders

 

 

Don't forget the police department, public schools, libraries, the fire department, the highway departments, the District attorneys, parks, food inspection, municipalities, disaster relief, tax free churches and charities, the boy scouts, interstate highways, building codes and even the army.

 

All of these socialist institutions take away from your freedom.

 

Let stupidity rule!

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