SiCKO

[partsisparts]

Right wing?......how do you explain this?:

 

 

 

You need to educate yourself............obama is an abject failure and is taking this country down the tubes......let's hope is can be turned around

You need to educate yourself..... Wikipedia quotes Time :

Time has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group".[10] Democratic Party activists have pointed out that Scott Rasmussen was a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.[11] According to Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight.com, while there are no apparent records of Scott Rasmussen or Rasmussen Reports making contributions to political candidates and its public election polls are generally regarded as reliable, "some observers have questioned its issue-based polling, which frequently tends to elicit responses that are more conservative than those found on other national surveys."[12].

 

Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo commented on their reliability in a February 2009 article:[13][14]

 

The toplines tend to be a bit toward the Republican side of the spectrum, compared to the average of other polls. But if you factor that in they're pretty reliable. And the frequency that Rasmussen is able to turn them around -- because they're based on robocalls -- gives them added value in terms of teasing out trends. But the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints. All of which is to say that his numbers are valuable. But they need to be read with that bias in mind.

[napfirst]

You need to educate yourself..... Wikipedia quotes Time :

Time has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group".[10] Democratic Party activists have pointed out that Scott Rasmussen was a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.[11] According to Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight.com, while there are no apparent records of Scott Rasmussen or Rasmussen Reports making contributions to political candidates and its public election polls are generally regarded as reliable, "some observers have questioned its issue-based polling, which frequently tends to elicit responses that are more conservative than those found on other national surveys."[12].

 

Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo commented on their reliability in a February 2009 article:[13][14]

 

The toplines tend to be a bit toward the Republican side of the spectrum, compared to the average of other polls. But if you factor that in they're pretty reliable. And the frequency that Rasmussen is able to turn them around -- because they're based on robocalls -- gives them added value in terms of teasing out trends. But the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints. All of which is to say that his numbers are valuable. But they need to be read with that bias in mind.

So answer the question...were they right wing when they predicted obama would win in 08......

[partsisparts]

So answer the question...were they right wing when they predicted obama would win in 08......

 

Once again you missed the point...

 

You can't take one instance when the organization is non-biased and base your entire premis on it. Rassmussen has a history of leaning to the right.

[Furious1Auto]

Once again you missed the point...

 

You can't take one instance when the organization is non-biased and base your entire premis on it. Rassmussen has a history of leaning to the right.

 

All statistics being repeated over and over on the news is the means of selling consensus. There all BS, otherwise they would have put it to a popular vote. Hate to offend the "Tea Party" but they were also created by the media. First the media labeled people that are dissatisfied by the government. (nearly every citizen) then they attempt to harness their political power by insisting everyone that is grievent over the shananagans in Washington should think or feel a certain way about their agenda. Who the hell doesn't think the banks should be held to account, or that immigration reform is even an important issue at this time?

 

We already have laws that pertain to immigration, they just need to be enforced, and Arizona has it right. It is criminal to enter this country without a Visa, and illegal to stay when it runs out. If illegals don't like it they can take to the streets, and protest LOL!

 

The biggest issue this country faces right now is joblessness, and permitting additional people to come here when we already lack the means to employ the people here legally, is ridiculous. We need trade reform, and the current laws enforced. Oh yeah, and you to Nap to wake up. Bill O'Reilly saying that people are attacking their fictional tea party is the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say, what's worse is that Palin and others are repeating it!

Edited May 26, 2010 by Furious1Auto

[FiredMotorCompany]

 

 

 

 

 

Seen in Toronto, Ontario May 2010.

 

 

Note: The arrow points from Canada to Buffalo, N.Y.

[Aces]

This is an AD but the message about our health system (or lack of a system) is worth watching

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another article about the cost of drugs with some eye opening ideas.

 

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/bernie-sanders-tries-some-clear-thinking

 

Think how much more competitive our industries would be with out the huge cost of their employee drug plans....why they could afford to invest and hire...in the USA!

Edited June 2, 2011 by Aces

[Furious1Auto]

Nice resurrection. Didn't you hear, Fox News is implying you are not a patriotic freedom loving American if you support the health care bill. I would think it the other way. Wouldn't it make you unpatriotic if you watched hard working Americans go without the care they need, to watch providers be able to deny, or rescind coverage when they might have to pay out? I am patriotic enough to fight to make sure that happens to no American, even if it cost me a few tax dollars.

[Trimdingman]

Nice resurrection. Didn't you hear, Fox News is implying you are not a patriotic freedom loving American if you support the health care bill. I would think it the other way. Wouldn't it make you unpatriotic if you watched hard working Americans go without the care they need, to watch providers be able to deny, or rescind coverage when they might have to pay out? I am patriotic enough to fight to make sure that happens to no American, even if it cost me a few tax dollars.

 

If the government runs health care, all people will have inferior health care. What resourses there are will be shared equally, but the total amount available will shrink on an ongoing basis. Beaurocracy will eat up much of the funding, and as the taxation to pay for it increases, the quality will decrease. The system you had, although not perfect, is a lot better than this. The best system would be user-pay. This would give incentive to get costs in line with an individual's ability to pay, and also would lead to a boom in technological advancement, which has been largely lacking in the health industry compared with other industries. The health care industry is very comfortable with the status quo, and they have got the people brainwashed to believe that an inferior product is of good quality. Health "care" is the leading cause of death.

[rn4]

If the government runs health care, all people will have inferior health care. What resourses there are will be shared equally, but the total amount available will shrink on an ongoing basis. Beaurocracy will eat up much of the funding, and as the taxation to pay for it increases, the quality will decrease. The system you had, although not perfect, is a lot better than this. The best system would be user-pay. This would give incentive to get costs in line with an individual's ability to pay, and also would lead to a boom in technological advancement, which has been largely lacking in the health industry compared with other industries. The health care industry is very comfortable with the status quo, and they have got the people brainwashed to believe that an inferior product is of good quality. Health "care" is the leading cause of death.

 

 

And you have facts to back all this up.

[Furious1Auto]

If the government runs health care, all people will have inferior health care. What resourses there are will be shared equally, but the total amount available will shrink on an ongoing basis. Beaurocracy will eat up much of the funding, and as the taxation to pay for it increases, the quality will decrease. The system you had, although not perfect, is a lot better than this. The best system would be user-pay. This would give incentive to get costs in line with an individual's ability to pay, and also would lead to a boom in technological advancement, which has been largely lacking in the health industry compared with other industries. The health care industry is very comfortable with the status quo, and they have got the people brainwashed to believe that an inferior product is of good quality. Health "care" is the leading cause of death.

 

 

No thank you, I prefer single payer. Even the workers here get medical care. LINK

[Aces]

Krugman on Medicare

 

 

 

June 3, 2011, 8:53 PM

Yes, Medicare Is Sustainable In Its Current Form

I keep seeing people say that Medicare in its current form is not sustainable, as if that were an established fact. It’s anything but.

 

What is Medicare? It’s single-payer coverage for the elderly. Other countries have single-payer systems that are much cheaper than ours — and also much cheaper than private insurance in America. So there’s nothing about the form that makes Medicare unsustainable, unless you think that health care itself is unsustainable.

 

What is true is that the U.S. Medicare is expensive compared with, say, Canadian Medicare (yes, that’s what they call their system) or the French health care system (which is complicated, but largely single-payer in its essentials); that’s because Medicare American-style is very open-ended, reluctant to say no to paying for medically dubious procedures, and also fails to make use of its pricing power over drugs and other items.

 

So Medicare will have to start saying no; it will have to provide incentives to move away from fee for service, and so on and so forth. But such changes would not mean a fundamental change in the way Medicare works.

 

Of course, what the people who say things like “Medicare is unsustainable” usually mean is that it must be privatized, converted into a voucher system, whatever. The thing is, none of those changes would make the system more efficient — on the contrary.

 

So this business about Medicare in its present form being unsustainable sounds wise but is actually a stupid slogan. The solution to the future of Medicare is Medicare — smarter, less open-ended, but recognizably the same program.

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/yes-medicare-is-sustainable-in-its-current-form/

[Trimdingman]

And you have facts to back all this up.

 

 

I have common sense. I can remember back when we had private health care with minimal government involvement, and there was no crisis. There is no need to charge tens of thousands of dollars for procedures that are routinely done. It is nothing short of gouging and monopolizing. Heart transplants are no more labor intensive than car engine re-builds. No medical procedure should cost more than a few thousand dollars. If individuals were expected to pay for their own treatment, the entreprenerial spirit would find a way to bring costs in line. Collectivism kills the incentive to make anything more efficient. If government ran the computer industry, we would still have computers that filled a whole room and were one millionth as powerful as a $500 laptop.

[Aces]

Health insurance mandates? Who is for them?

 

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/06/01/2040029/health-insurance-mandates-an-idea.html

[Furious1Auto]

You know what they say. "Common sense ain't that common" Guess it's also true in this case Trim! LOL

[FiredMotorCompany]

If Obama gets re-elected, I bet we'll see free insurance for every car owner in his next term. Everyone has a right to drive, right? It's too expensive for the poor to afford, right? They can't get a job without one, right? They can buy a car for $600.00 but the insurance is "just too damned high". Next will be free cars. provided by taxpayers, no less.

[Aces]

Vermont Passes Single-Payer Health Care, World Doesn't End!

 

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/vermont-single-payer-health-care

 

Perhaps the future of health care in America......state by state low cost common sense solution.

 

Only big money lobbying can derail this.......it makes too much sense and saves too much money.

 

Large Labor organizations are behind this becoming nation wide. Doctors are increasingly in favor.

 

The only people against it are the folks who get rich off other people's suffering and their bought-and-paid-for Republican politicians.

[napfirst]

Vermont Passes Single-Payer Health Care, World Doesn't End!

 

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/vermont-single-payer-health-care

 

Perhaps the future of health care in America.OPINION.....state by state low cost common sense solution.

 

Only big money lobbying can derail this..OPINION.....it makes too much sense and saves too much money.

 

Large Labor organizations are behind this becoming nation wide.OPINION Doctors are increasingly in favor.

 

The only people against it are the folks who get rich off other people's suffering and their bought-and-paid-for Republican politicians.OPINION

[Aces]

The post above by Nap is an ignorant misuse of this board.

 

OF COURSE I posted my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

Then you reposted it and altered it ....under my name.

[Aces]

Vermont Passes Single-Payer Health Care, World Doesn't End!

 

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/vermont-single-payer-health-care

 

Perhaps the future of health care in America......state by state low cost common sense solution.

 

Only big money lobbying can derail this.......it makes too much sense and saves too much money.

 

Large Labor organizations are behind this becoming nation wide. Doctors are increasingly in favor.

 

The only people against it are the folks who get rich off other people's suffering and their bought-and-paid-for Republican politicians.

 

The unstepped on version

[Aces]

Good article on single payer health care in Vermont.

 

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/06/vermonts-move-toward-single-payer-health-insurance/

 

 

And another article advocating the establishment of single payer health care in Kentucky

 

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/06/11/1771078/ky-voices-single-payer-plan-for.html

 

 

 

If we want our businesses to compete on a level playing field with the world then single payer is the way to go.

 

If our employers must feed the huge profits of insurance companies how can they compete with every other country in the developed world that have a single payer system?

[Cocheese]

 

OF COURSE I posted my opinion.

 

No you haven't.

 

I doubt you've ever had a thought that was entirely your own. My guess would be someone else told you what clothes to wear today.

 

You're a pawn for others who control the weak minded in order to further push their agenda.

 

You're an imbecile, an embarrassment, and a joke.

[Marginal Economist]

Vermont Passes Single-Payer Health Care, World Doesn't End!

 

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/vermont-single-payer-health-care

 

Perhaps the future of health care in America......state by state low cost common sense solution.

 

Only big money lobbying can derail this.......it makes too much sense and saves too much money.

 

Large Labor organizations are behind this becoming nation wide. Doctors are increasingly in favor.

 

The only people against it are the folks who get rich off other people's suffering and their bought-and-paid-for Republican politicians.

 

I like state by state100x better than federal mandates.

 

I'm OK with a minimal insurance requirement - something with a high deductible for catastrohic care.

 

Doctors are going to be for it as it will keep the prices high as the government will never vote down their rates. They have killed the need to discount as there would be one set price - it is the government setting up a monopoly.

[Aces]

I like state by state100x better than federal mandates.

 

I'm OK with a minimal insurance requirement - something with a high deductible for catastrohic care.

 

Doctors are going to be for it as it will keep the prices high as the government will never vote down their rates. They have killed the need to discount as there would be one set price - it is the government setting up a monopoly.

 

When was the last time you saw a doctor discount anything?

[Marginal Economist]

When was the last time you saw a doctor discount anything?

 

They discount for my insurance company all the time.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Kill this one too, staff.

 

The purpose of this thread and it's posts was to break the lock-step of the UAW mindset to reality in the political arena. We as employees are confronted with kowtowing to our leadership or braving the push-back and try to get the membership to think outside the guidance from their goose-stepping leadership.

 

Aces started FoxNews too, so in fairness, if the threads involving political topics are off limits among Ford employees, kill them all. It's your website and you can do as you wish. I thought you would understand since Ford Motor Company once sued you to shut you down and the opposing voices here are not far from your side.

 

We will leave this forum and have our discussions on another's website.

 

Thank you for the opportunity to debate my fellow employees, subject to their rebuttal.

 

See you guys at Ford Fanatic Forums. Where members must prove employees status to join.

Edited June 11, 2011 by FiredMotorCompany