macattak1 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I mean really, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Mike Church, Andrew Wilkow, and the others, really? They are some of the most bigoted, closed minded, insulting people I have ever heard. I can't imagine that it's helping the cause. The difference is that they are 'Entertainers'. But what of the actual liberal spokes people? You know the ones that make up maybe 2% of the population, but run around attacking and suing and forcing their agenda on everyone? Certainly cant have one with out the other. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted May 11, 2009 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 The difference is that they are 'Entertainers'. Unfortunately, it seems like too many people take them far too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 That's right. I am apart from the herd. I have seen enough and been lied to enough to know that if I am being preached to, I am being lied to. I look for the agenda. What do the proponents have to gain? is arnold having some sort of agenda by suggesting we tax and legalize pot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 is arnold having some sort of agenda by suggesting we tax and legalize pot? I don't know. I would legalize it, along with all other drugs, and not tax or regulate it. The drug trade would disappear, and whole police divisions could be eliminated, and taxes cut accordingly. That would be a small reduction in big government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 do they tell you what to think in totalitarian Canada? I am told a lot of things, but I don't believe anything. I wouldn't joke about Totalitarianism. We are right on the doorstep in both Canada and the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Unfortunately, it seems like too many people take them far too seriously. Why not argue what they say and prove them wrong? You can't, so you just attack them personally and make unfounded generalizations, hoping that nobody will listen to them. Why fear what they say if they are so dumb? They aren't that's why. They are spreading the truth and undermining the brainwashing left. Their ratings are going through the roof, while the Liberal media are all going bankrupt. Socialism is a religion which requires a leap of faith to skip over the lie, just like regular religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Unfortunately, it seems like too many people take them far too seriously. Some very definitely. Personally, most of them just make me angry, and then what? Michael Savage is the worst for me. I have one favorite and that is Jeff Metcalf in Ca. His mantra is not who is right, but what is right and he sticks with that pretty well. But please, Rosie O'donnal, what is that other ding dong lady's name? Garaflow (sp?). Now there is one with no intelligence wrapped up in anger and hate. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I am told a lot of things, but I don't believe anything. I wouldn't joke about Totalitarianism. We are right on the doorstep in both Canada and the U.S. is your name Walter Sobchak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Some very definitely. Personally, most of them just make me angry, and then what? Michael Savage is the worst for me. I have one favorite and that is Jeff Metcalf in Ca. His mantra is not who is right, but what is right and he sticks with that pretty well. But please, Rosie O'donnal, what is that other ding dong lady's name? Garaflow (sp?). Now there is one with no intelligence wrapped up in anger and hate. Peace and Blessings The reason why you get angry is because the truth hurts. They call into question your long held beliefs. You made the mistake of believing before thoroughly questioning what you were believing, and instead going along with the herd. All Rush and the others are doing is pointing out the truth. You are feeling the same things that Christians feel about people who attack their religion and point out obvious flaws. Rush says that he believes in religion. Go after him on that front if you want to beat him. Oh, you can't, because you agree with him on that. I don't, so I guess we are both only partially in agreement with Rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 The reason why you get angry is because the truth hurts. They call into question your long held beliefs. You made the mistake of believing before thoroughly questioning what you were believing, and instead going along with the herd. All Rush and the others are doing is pointing out the truth. You are feeling the same things that Christians feel about people who attack their religion and point out obvious flaws. Rush says that he believes in religion. Go after him on that front if you want to beat him. Oh, you can't, because you agree with him on that. I don't, so I guess we are both only partially in agreement with Rush. Hold on there Radical Canadian Cowboy. I get mad because so much of what they tell us our govt is doing is true and while driving my car there is no outlet for me. I can't fix it right then. There are no long heald beliefs. Just things I have not hears such as the person living in a tree to protect trees all the while children are abused (raped, molested, enslaved, etc.). But trees are so important to this dingle berry! Would that not make me and Rush much more in agreement with each other and you less so? He believes in God and so do I. I think it would be you that needs to take him to task on that one right??? Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 is your name Walter Sobchak? Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter? Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hold on there Radical Canadian Cowboy. I get mad because so much of what they tell us our govt is doing is true and while driving my car there is no outlet for me. I can't fix it right then. There are no long heald beliefs. Just things I have not hears such as the person living in a tree to protect trees all the while children are abused (raped, molested, enslaved, etc.). But trees are so important to this dingle berry! Would that not make me and Rush much more in agreement with each other and you less so? He believes in God and so do I. I think it would be you that needs to take him to task on that one right??? Peace and Blessings The thing is, I am not a radical. I am just the opposite. We are now living in a society that is the result of the actions of a long line of radicals. They believed that they knew how to run peoples' lives better than the people knew themselves. I say, let people run their own lives. If they need anything, they will ask for it as individuals. Each person has his own individual preferences. Personally, I don't need anything that government has to offer. Government is a pain in my ass. I wish that it didn't exist. Rush's belief in God does limit his ability to argue against socialism, because socialism is just another religion that brainwashes the people. It is just as false as any other religion. People who were indoctrinated into religion from childhood are susceptable to brainwashing. However, to make you into a total big government devotee, they have to get the other religion out of you first. That is why the far left, for the most part, ridicule religion. I ridicule it simply because it is not true. They ridicule it because they want to replace it with their own bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rn4 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 The thing is, I am not a radical. I am just the opposite. We are now living in a society that is the result of the actions of a long line of radicals. They believed that they knew how to run peoples' lives better than the people knew themselves. I say, let people run their own lives. If they need anything, they will ask for it as individuals. Each person has his own individual preferences. Personally, I don't need anything that government has to offer. Government is a pain in my ass. I wish that it didn't exist. Rush's belief in God does limit his ability to argue against socialism, because socialism is just another religion that brainwashes the people. It is just as false as any other religion. People who were indoctrinated into religion from childhood are susceptable to brainwashing. However, to make you into a total big government devotee, they have to get the other religion out of you first. That is why the far left, for the most part, ridicule religion. I ridicule it simply because it is not true. They ridicule it because they want to replace it with their own bullshit. Trim have you ever been out of Canada or the U.S. because you don't have a clue to how good you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Trim have you ever been out of Canada or the U.S. because you don't have a clue to how good you have it. I work over 1/2 of my time to pay tax. I don't care how bad other countries have it. I just don't want to see my country go there. The power is there already for the government to turn into a dictatorship if it wants to. We are all subject to arrest at any time because there are so many laws that we are all in violation of some law at all times. I would rather live in a third world anarchy and take my chances than be a slave to the government. I grew up in a house with a wood stove and an outhouse. It wasn't so bad. We had electricity, which our neighbours didn't. There was a lot less government, and taxes, and a lot more freedom. The cops steered clear, and we looked after ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I work over 1/2 of my time to pay tax. I don't care how bad other countries have it. I just don't want to see my country go there. The power is there already for the government to turn into a dictatorship if it wants to. We are all subject to arrest at any time because there are so many laws that we are all in violation of some law at all times. I would rather live in a third world anarchy and take my chances than be a slave to the government. I grew up in a house with a wood stove and an outhouse. It wasn't so bad. We had electricity, which our neighbours didn't. There was a lot less government, and taxes, and a lot more freedom. The cops steered clear, and we looked after ourselves. well sounds like you need a better accountant, or some deductions! or just goo on welfare, wait didnt you saw canada is communist anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 well sounds like you need a better accountant, or some deductions!or just goo on welfare, wait didnt you saw canada is communist anyways? It is not just income tax. There are many other taxes. Government tax shelters cannot be trusted. RRSPs do not save you tax, they just defer the tax. Maybe you are in a marginally low tax bracket when you retire, but the government has something up its sleeve; perhaps pension clawbacks, or creating high inflation by printing money. Then your RRSP money will be worth peanuts. Spend it now. Buy land and gold. The government has the right to confiscate land, and make it illegal to own gold, so even that is not safe. The Liberals under Trudeau refused to put property rights into the Constitution when the BNA Act was re-patriated. Are we Communist? If it quacks like a duck....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCKRACER Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It is not just income tax. There are many other taxes. Government tax shelters cannot be trusted. RRSPs do not save you tax, they just defer the tax. Maybe you are in a marginally low tax bracket when you retire, but the government has something up its sleeve; perhaps pension clawbacks, or creating high inflation by printing money. Then your RRSP money will be worth peanuts. Spend it now. Buy land and gold. The government has the right to confiscate land, and make it illegal to own gold, so even that is not safe. The Liberals under Trudeau refused to put property rights into the Constitution when the BNA Act was re-patriated. Are we Communist? If it quacks like a duck....... I agree 100% Trimdingman. I can only hope and pray that this country is still right of center and BO only gets one term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 The thing is, I am not a radical. I am just the opposite. We are now living in a society that is the result of the actions of a long line of radicals. They believed that they knew how to run peoples' lives better than the people knew themselves. I say, let people run their own lives. If they need anything, they will ask for it as individuals. Each person has his own individual preferences. Personally, I don't need anything that government has to offer. Government is a pain in my ass. I wish that it didn't exist. Rush's belief in God does limit his ability to argue against socialism, because socialism is just another religion that brainwashes the people. It is just as false as any other religion. People who were indoctrinated into religion from childhood are susceptable to brainwashing. However, to make you into a total big government devotee, they have to get the other religion out of you first. That is why the far left, for the most part, ridicule religion. I ridicule it simply because it is not true. They ridicule it because they want to replace it with their own bullshit. Greetings, But then, you must at least be somewhat thankful that I believe in God would you not? If nothing else it keeps me from becoming the Total Big Govt. Devotee right? Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It is not just income tax. There are many other taxes. Government tax shelters cannot be trusted. RRSPs do not save you tax, they just defer the tax. Maybe you are in a marginally low tax bracket when you retire, but the government has something up its sleeve; perhaps pension clawbacks, or creating high inflation by printing money. Then your RRSP money will be worth peanuts. Spend it now. Buy land and gold. The government has the right to confiscate land, and make it illegal to own gold, so even that is not safe. The Liberals under Trudeau refused to put property rights into the Constitution when the BNA Act was re-patriated. Are we Communist? If it quacks like a duck....... well i took one hint from my former president, and started using capital gains tax like he did for his pay as ceo of the texas rangers, cut my tax rate in half, and being a small buisness owner helps a lot too! and i dont smoke so theres 3.50 in taxes per pack i dont pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) well i took one hint from my former president, and started using capital gains tax like he did for his pay as ceo of the texas rangers, cut my tax rate in half, and being a small buisness owner helps a lot too! and i dont smoke so theres 3.50 in taxes per pack i dont pay. Why should you have to live your life like a Communist to avoid the government? What gives the government the right to regulate and tax things like tobacco and alcohol? They know that they are addictive substances, and the government can get you hooked and gouge you for your addictions. That is what pimps do to their hookers. Why are we hooking for a pimp government? While they are at it, they should legalize drugs, thereby eliminating the drug trade. Do you think that the drug lords love the drug laws? You bet they do. The government and the drug lords are partners in crime. The same goes for gambling. It is illegal to run an honest gambling establishment where the odds are 50-50. It is only legal to run a crooked casino where the games are rigged in favor of the house. The government-run numbers racket is an even bigger scam. The odds of winning a 6 number lotto with a 49 number spread is 49x48x47x46x45x44/6x5x4x3x2=13,983,816 to one. What is the difference between the government to-day and organized crime 75 years ago? Organized crime was more honest. Edited May 13, 2009 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Why should you have to live your life like a Communist to avoid the government? What gives the government the right to regulate and tax things like tobacco and alcohol? They know that they are addictive substances, and the government can get you hooked and gouge you for your addictions. That is what pimps do to their hookers. Why are we hooking for a pimp government? While they are at it, they should legalize drugs, thereby eliminating the drug trade. Do you think that the drug lords love the drug laws? You bet they do. The government and the drug lords are partners in crime. The same goes for gambling. It is illegal to run an honest gambling establishment where the odds are 50-50. It is only legal to run a crooked casino where the games are rigged in favor of the house. The government-run numbers racket is an even bigger scam. The odds of winning a 6 number lotto with a 49 number spread is 49x48x47x46x45x44/6x5x4x3x2=13,983,816 to one. What is the difference between the government to-day and organized crime 75 years ago? Organized crime was more honest. thats why i home brew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 thats why i home brew! If you are making your own liquor, you could be charged. Why shouldn't people be allowed to make anything they want for their own consumption, or grow marajuana? It is nobody's business. If I want to eat rat poison, that is my own business. If I want to shoot heroin up my ass, that is my business. Why do I have to pay taxes so the government can spend billions of dollars every year chasing people around for putting substances into their own bodies? The high cost of drugs, because of government prohibition leads to crime. Kids have to go hungry because money is spent on drugs. Women get their purses snatched by drug addicts. If drugs were legal, they would cost next to nothing and non drug users would not have to pay for the habits of drug users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 If you are making your own liquor, you could be charged. Why shouldn't people be allowed to make anything they want for their own consumption, or grow marajuana? It is nobody's business. If I want to eat rat poison, that is my own business. If I want to shoot heroin up my ass, that is my business. Why do I have to pay taxes so the government can spend billions of dollars every year chasing people around for putting substances into their own bodies? The high cost of drugs, because of government prohibition leads to crime. Kids have to go hungry because money is spent on drugs. Women get their purses snatched by drug addicts. If drugs were legal, they would cost next to nothing and non drug users would not have to pay for the habits of drug users. The reason is because most people would not obey the restrictions of not driving after you toked up or injected heroin up your butt... So when you hit and hurt or kill people the innocent have to have their medical bills paid for and the govt would need to pay to execute you after a lengthy trial. Do you have kids? Would you give them no rules because if you did it would cause them to lie, so better than them telling you a lie is to give them no structure at all? Then they will always be truthful with you? Doh, I think we just came full circle. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The reason is because most people would not obey the restrictions of not driving after you toked up or injected heroin up your butt... So when you hit and hurt or kill people the innocent have to have their medical bills paid for and the govt would need to pay to execute you after a lengthy trial. Do you have kids? Would you give them no rules because if you did it would cause them to lie, so better than them telling you a lie is to give them no structure at all? Then they will always be truthful with you? Doh, I think we just came full circle. Peace and Blessings I think TRIM is still looking for an egg donor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The reason is because most people would not obey the restrictions of not driving after you toked up or injected heroin up your butt... So when you hit and hurt or kill people the innocent have to have their medical bills paid for and the govt would need to pay to execute you after a lengthy trial. Do you have kids? Would you give them no rules because if you did it would cause them to lie, so better than them telling you a lie is to give them no structure at all? Then they will always be truthful with you? Doh, I think we just came full circle. Peace and Blessings Nobody should take drugs, or rat poison. However, if they want to, there is nothing the government can do about it. If the government just legalized and ignored drugs, they would no longer be "taboo" and the glory would be gone. It would eliminate the drug trade, because drugs can be manufactured very inexpensively. The high price now is associated with the danger of getting caught. Whole police divisions could be eliminated, and gangs would disband. Shootings would also decline. Crime to support drug habits, or to pay dealers who fronted the drugs to pushers and they got ripped off and can't pay would disappear. When you have a contract out on you for non payment , you will do desperate things to come up with the money. The government likes the control they have over people by making as many things as possible illegal. We need to eliminate as many laws as possible and return the tax money to the people, and cut government down to size before it is too late. War on Government and Bless Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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