Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Bush deserves to be impeached. But how come the so called 'democratic party' led by Pelosi refuses to 'put it on the table'. That is just one situation that proves the point there is no difference between the democrats and republicans and the real people behind the scenes that control our country. It is purely a charade that the citizens of this country believe they have a real choice. Just look at the recent 700 billion dollar bailout. Did congress vote with the majority of its constituency? Am I angry? Sure. I see useful idiots extolling the virtues of either our 'bought and paid for' candidates. Especially Obama. The man has zero experience and even admitted in the youtube interview I posted. Four years later has not changed anything. From what I see most people really don't have a clue of what is going on this government. They have a feeling something is not right but will not spend the time to research how these events are all interrelated and how the same players control the events. These are the players you call 'experienced advisors'. And those same useful idiots have been taught to loudly proclaim "conspiracy theorist" at anyone that attempts to awaken them from their blind slumber. This country is headed into an era that would cause our forefathers to roll over in their graves. They risked their lives on the battlefield to free themselves from what the majority of the people accept today; government tyranny. The large corporations and banksters control our country along with several others. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." They make sure only the candidates are promoted that fit and follow their idealisms are allowed to advance and be promoted. If you don't wake up you will become a slave. a great non cut and paste post......good points, and several i agree with wholeheartedly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Fear Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Link to latest documents filed in the Berg vs. Obama case. http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/distr...4083/281573/27/ The "Motion for Summary Judgment" is only the suggestion made by the attorney and that is why it is not signed. The judge usually files his own paperwork. Hopefully, a ruling will come down soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Link to latest documents filed in the Berg vs. Obama case. http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/distr...4083/281573/27/ The "Motion for Summary Judgment" is only the suggestion made by the attorney and that is why it is not signed. The judge usually files his own paperwork. Hopefully, a ruling will come down soon. does anyone know why this one individual seemingly have an issue with Obama?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) does anyone know why this one individual seemingly have an issue with Obama?.... Don't really know, but might be he's just one more person that wants to be 100% sure the laws in the constitution aren't going to be broken. Or might be he's just one more "right wing wacko" :poke: :P Edited October 23, 2008 by Ron W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Don't really know, but might be he's just one more person that wants to be 100% sure the laws in the constitution aren't going to be broken. Or might be he's just one more "right wing wacko" :poke: :P I swear...if it was an issue I truly think the Republicans would have sunk their teeth into this...REALLY deeply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Fear Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 does anyone know why this one individual seemingly have an issue with Obama?.... Philip J. Berg a lifelong democrat and former University of Toledo School of Law graduate, has filed a lawsuit against Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. He's claiming the Illinois senator is not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to run for president. If elected, his selection to the presidency would cause a crisis within the U.S. Constitution. "If we can't enforce our constitution, especially a candidate for president, we're in real trouble in this country, more trouble than you really want to believe and it's frightening," said Berg from his offices in Lafayette Hill, Penn., a suburb of Philadelphia. Berg, a former Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania, filed the lawsuit in federal court Aug. 21 (Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083), "seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States." Three qualifications must be met for someone to become president under the Constitution. You must be at least 35 years of age, a resident of the United States for at least 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. Berg believes the 47-year-old senator from Illinois does not meet the last qualification. Although the Obama campaign states he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Berg believes Obama was born in Kenya. Further investigation reveals he may still be a citizen of Indonesia. A school registration Berg has obtained lists Obama's name as Barry Soetoro, after his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and lists his citizenship as Indonesia. Berg said Obama's mother sent him back to the U.S. when he was 10, and one of two things would have happened then. If he went through immigration, he would be a naturalized citizen, not a natural-born citizen. "He today could still be a citizen of Indonesia and could be an illegal alien, which would mean he could not even hold his Senate seat from Illinois," Berg said in a cell phone call from Pennsylvania. "So, it's really important that we all look at his records." Factcheck.org claims it has proof of Obama's U.S. citizenship. Berg has questioned that proof because the Web site is owned by Annenberg. According to the site, the "Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels." "That is a group where Obama sat on the board a number of years dispersing funds, so I would think there's a little conflict of interest there." The proof, Berg said, needs to be in the hands of a judge. "Senator Obama, if I'm wrong, prove me wrong, produce the documentation," he said. "If you have nothing to hide, stop hiding behind legalisms, lets avoid a constitutional crisis in this country." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Philip J. Berg a lifelong democrat and former University of Toledo School of Law graduate, has filed a lawsuit against Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. He's claiming the Illinois senator is not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible to run for president. If elected, his selection to the presidency would cause a crisis within the U.S. Constitution. "If we can't enforce our constitution, especially a candidate for president, we're in real trouble in this country, more trouble than you really want to believe and it's frightening," said Berg from his offices in Lafayette Hill, Penn., a suburb of Philadelphia. Berg, a former Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania, filed the lawsuit in federal court Aug. 21 (Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083), "seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States." Three qualifications must be met for someone to become president under the Constitution. You must be at least 35 years of age, a resident of the United States for at least 14 years, and a natural-born citizen. Berg believes the 47-year-old senator from Illinois does not meet the last qualification. Although the Obama campaign states he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, Berg believes Obama was born in Kenya. Further investigation reveals he may still be a citizen of Indonesia. A school registration Berg has obtained lists Obama's name as Barry Soetoro, after his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and lists his citizenship as Indonesia. Berg said Obama's mother sent him back to the U.S. when he was 10, and one of two things would have happened then. If he went through immigration, he would be a naturalized citizen, not a natural-born citizen. "He today could still be a citizen of Indonesia and could be an illegal alien, which would mean he could not even hold his Senate seat from Illinois," Berg said in a cell phone call from Pennsylvania. "So, it's really important that we all look at his records." Factcheck.org claims it has proof of Obama's U.S. citizenship. Berg has questioned that proof because the Web site is owned by Annenberg. According to the site, the "Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels." "That is a group where Obama sat on the board a number of years dispersing funds, so I would think there's a little conflict of interest there." The proof, Berg said, needs to be in the hands of a judge. "Senator Obama, if I'm wrong, prove me wrong, produce the documentation," he said. "If you have nothing to hide, stop hiding behind legalisms, lets avoid a constitutional crisis in this country." interesting..I just question why ONE guy is privvy and everyone else has let it be. And if the onus was on me I'd tell the guy...hey i've got bigger fish to fry...YOU waste your own time and prove the accuracy of YOUR accustaion...and get back to me.....alos seems Mr Berg has WAYYY too much spare time on his hands....and THAT comes from a 7000 poster boy...LOL! ( how sad )...that said, I will be interested if the question IS finally adressed when all the fireworks have cooled down....has a President ever been dis-qualified...LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I would have issue with anyone trying to become president who doesn't pass the requirements written in the US Constitution. Including Governor Arnold. If you remember a few years back, the Neocon republicans were floating the idea to add an amendment to the Constitution to remove the birth requirement. It died a quiet death probably due to lack of support of the Democratic party. Having visited California, I know of their extreme liberal idealism, especially in the San Francisco area. Obama is their boy, and come hell or high water they will do anything to quell this information as I see you are attempting. On the other hand, I reside in Missouri, the Show Me State. And brother I want to see the FACTS. And here is something else to add to this little controversy brewing. I was reading a news article which linked me to this website http://www.patriotfiles.com/forum/showthread.php?p=420958 ( I can hear you now, another right wing wacko website). At the very top of the birth certificate story forum, a gentleman has posted a copy of his own birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. In his letter is also the link to the “official” Obama certificate located on the “official” Obama website. Look at the difference between the two. I find it quite astounding. My personal birth certificate appears quite similar to the poster’s in the forum and mine is from Missouri. The “official” Obama certificate lacks credibility. Also ask yourself why Obama refuses to release other personal information including school records of Harvard. Maybe people would like to know if they are voting for a ‘flunky’, average or a high socialistic achiever. What I have read, his followers are comparing him to Jesus since he was a community organizer. Personally I would encourage separation of Church and State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 interesting..I just question why ONE guy is privvy and everyone else has let it be. And if the onus was on me I'd tell the guy...hey i've got bigger fish to fry...YOU waste your own time and prove the accuracy of YOUR accustaion...and get back to me.....alos seems Mr Berg has WAYYY too much spare time on his hands....and THAT comes from a 7000 poster boy...LOL! ( how sad )...that said, I will be interested if the question IS finally adressed when all the fireworks have cooled down....has a President ever been dis-qualified...LOL! If you post over 7000 times on this board, you become a know-it-all? Seems like someone else has way too much time on their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I swear...if it was an issue I truly think the Republicans would have sunk their teeth into this...REALLY deeply... Have you given the thought that they are waiting until the last moment to jump on this. Imagine the turmoil the democratic party would be in just before the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) If you post over 7000 times on this board, you become a know-it-all? Seems like someone else has way too much time on their hands. another that needs a chill pill...and when have I EVER stated to be a "know it all"...far from it...my ego is ALWAYS checked at the door....oh, and whilst I am typing I am waiting for Credit analysts to look over financials of a submitted application...so, right now its a waiting game and this is how I twiddle my thumbs, this job entails quite a bit of down time and constant waiting.....may be difficult for you to understand Sprinter...but please continue to pass judgment....as you also are about the election. Edited October 23, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 How convenient that this story would appear today to support my case. Could it be the real Jesus is looking out for my best interests? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...nce-969772.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) An email from Ireland to all of their brethren in the States... a point to ponder despite your political affiliation: 'We, in Ireland, can't figure out why you people are even bothering to hold an election in the United States. On one side, you had a pants-wearing female lawyer, married to another lawyer who can't seem to keep his pants on, who just lost a long and heated primary against a lawyer, who goes to the wrong church, who is married to yet another lawyer, who doesn't even like the country her husband wants to run! Now... On the other side, you have a nice old war hero whose name starts with the appropriate 'Mc' terminology, married to a good looking younger woman who owns a beer distributorship! What in God's name are ye lads thinkin over in the colonies............ok, I've stooped.....but years ago I stated to a buddy of mine...Attourneys will be the death of America.... Edited October 23, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 and when have I EVER stated to be a "know it all" LOL, The "know it all" never states himself as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 LOL, The "know it all" never states himself as such. its getting interesting Blackie..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Fear Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Have you given the thought that they are waiting until the last moment to jump on this. Imagine the turmoil the democratic party would be in just before the election. There may be something to what you say here. If you go to Mr. Berg's website (www.obamacrimes.com) you will see that several of the states have also started filing their own suits for Obama to prove his citizenship. Mr. Berg has posted all the court document filings on his website as well. This case is definitely no secret. There are many people watching this case and they have been posting on blogs as I have done. There are bloggers on his website saying they have contacted everyone in the media and elsewhere and still nothing has been put out there. The Republican Party has to know about this case, there's no way they could not have known about it. I'm not sure if everyone is just watching to see how the judge rules in the case or whether they're waiting till the last minute and we're not the only ones wondering why. Berg says the case could go undecided till after the election, which would really bring about a constitutional crisis. He says that he may have to take it all the way to the Supreme Court for a decision and is preparing to do so if that be the case. Remember, the election is really not over until the swearing in ceremony. There has to be something wrong, why else would the DNC and Obama be filing documents to have the case dismissed and asking for any discovery found in the case to be kept private, when all they'd have to do is come forward with documentation to prove his citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 There may be something to what you say here. If you go to Mr. Berg's website (www.obamacrimes.com) you will see that several of the states have also started filing their own suits for Obama to prove his citizenship. Mr. Berg has posted all the court document filings on his website as well. This case is definitely no secret. There are many people watching this case and they have been posting on blogs as I have done. There are bloggers on his website saying they have contacted everyone in the media and elsewhere and still nothing has been put out there. The Republican Party has to know about this case, there's no way they could not have known about it. I'm not sure if everyone is just watching to see how the judge rules in the case or whether they're waiting till the last minute and we're not the only ones wondering why. Berg says the case could go undecided till after the election, which would really bring about a constitutional crisis. He says that he may have to take it all the way to the Supreme Court for a decision and is preparing to do so if that be the case. Remember, the election is really not over until the swearing in ceremony. There has to be something wrong, why else would the DNC and Obama be filing documents to have the case dismissed and asking for any discovery found in the case to be kept private, when all they'd have to do is come forward with documentation to prove his citizenship. boy would that be a coo....on the other hand ...why wait till now, and garner a running mate to appeal to the female voters and "younger" crowd....if it was in the bag that doesn't make sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) The entire Bush Administration has been one long "constitutional crisis" link. If Bush's Party steals another election, you'll have a civil crisis on your hands as well as a constitutional crisis. But evidently they're preparing for that. link Go ahead and prepare your "October Surprise". It promises to be just as good and nutritious for the country as 8 years of Bush has been. Edited October 24, 2008 by retro-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadtrip Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) Barack Obama visited Española, New Mexico, and made a speech there on September 18, which marked the first time a Democratic presidential candidate had done so since the JFK campaign of 1960. Española, in Rio Arriba County, has been a Democratic stronghold for decades (as has all of Northern New Mexico). This region of New Mexico has the ability to swing the state of New Mexico for or against a candidate in presidential races, which is why Obama chose to make an appearance there in front of only 9,500 people. (New Mexico carried Gore by less than 500 votes, and carried Bush in 2004 by less than one percent.) As mentioned, this region of Northern New Mexico has been a democratic stronghold for decades. Rio Arriba County in New Mexico happens to have the highest per-capita rate in deaths from drug overdoses in the nation. The town of Española, like many other small towns in Northern New Mexico, is poverty stricken, with boarded-up businesses lining the main drag. And many of these businesses have been shut for many years - well before Bush took office. It took a U.S. attorney to level charges and convict former State Treasurers Michael Montoya and Robert Vigil of extortion. (They are in federal prison.) It took a U.S. attorney to convict the former president of the New Mexico State Senate, Manny Aragon, in a massive fraud case involving $4.2 million dollars of New Mexico taxpayers' money. The reason why it took a U.S. attorney to prosecute these cases is because the State Attorney General, Patricia Madrid, would have nothing to do with it, even when FBI investigators and forensic tax accountants laid their evidence before her. Evidently, the people of Northern New Mexico (and the people of New Mexico in general) love their Democrats, and will vote for them, even though they must certainly know that the people they are voting for are corrupt. There are lots of Obama posters on the boarded-up former businesses all over town in Española. The people will be able to admire Obama's likeness while standing in soup lines. Edited October 24, 2008 by Roadtrip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) The entire Bush Administration has been one long "constitutional crisis" link. If Bush's Party steals another election, you'll have a civil crisis on your hands as well as a constitutional crisis. But evidently they're preparing for that. link Go ahead and prepare your "October Surprise". It promises to be just as good and nutritious for the country as 8 years of Bush has been. Yes the police are preparing for any election day riots. With the polls being a dead heat, one group will be calling foul. If Obama loses I would expect to see riots similar to those in the late 60's. Unfortunate for the black communities because they will likely be destroyed. http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police...2008-10-21.html Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest. Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first black president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence. Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors. Democratic strategists and advocates for black voters say they understand officers wanting to keep the peace, but caution that excessive police presence could intimidate voters. Sen. Obama (Ill.), the Democratic nominee for president, has seen his lead over rival Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) grow in recent weeks, prompting speculation that there could be a violent backlash if he loses unexpectedly. Cities that have suffered unrest before, such as Detroit, Chicago, Oakland and Philadelphia, will have extra police deployed. In Oakland, the police will deploy extra units trained in riot control, as well as extra traffic police, and even put SWAT teams on standby. “Are we anticipating it will be a riot situation? No. But will we be prepared if it goes awry? Yes,” said Jeff Thomason, spokesman for the Oakland Police Department. “I think it is a big deal — you got an African-American running and [a] woman running,” he added, in reference to Obama and GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. “Whoever wins it, it will be a national event. We will have more officers on the street in anticipation that things may go south.” And here is a little something Now this is really hilarious. Could this be another right wing wacko site as Deanie would say? What strikes me as semi plausible is the resemblance of Obama to Davis with zero likeness to his supposed real father. Obama needs to get booked on the Maury Povich Show. Who's your daddy, Obama? http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/...cting-dots.html Edited October 24, 2008 by sprinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Yes. Congratulations. You discovered something that the RNC has been completely unable to figure out for the past 2 years. You're such a genius. Your efforts are wasted here. Tell the world. GO! (moron) P.S. That's quite rich coming from the party hoping to change the constitution to allow Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for President Nah... I think the sleazy Democratic party will try snowballing that constitutional change. By the way... My voter registration is NO PARTY PREFERENCE! So to accuse me of being a Republican is pretty much a waste of your time and energy on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 The entire Bush Administration has been one long "constitutional crisis" link. If Bush's Party steals another election, you'll have a civil crisis on your hands as well as a constitutional crisis. But evidently they're preparing for that. link Go ahead and prepare your "October Surprise". It promises to be just as good and nutritious for the country as 8 years of Bush has been. Just to let you know... Read the executive orders Presidents in the past have signed allowing them to stay in office "in the case of a national emergency" Don't think it can happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Fear Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 The entire Bush Administration has been one long "constitutional crisis" link. If Bush's Party steals another election, you'll have a civil crisis on your hands as well as a constitutional crisis. But evidently they're preparing for that. link Go ahead and prepare your "October Surprise". It promises to be just as good and nutritious for the country as 8 years of Bush has been. You failed to note that Attorney Berg is a longtime Democrat. I believe I read somewhere that he was a Hillary Clinton supporter. So, who's trying to do what here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Yes the police are preparing for any election day riots. With the polls being a dead heat, one group will be calling foul. If Obama loses I would expect to see riots similar to those in the late 60's. Unfortunate for the black communities because they will likely be destroyed. http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police...2008-10-21.html And here is a little something Now this is really hilarious. Could this be another right wing wacko site as Deanie would say? What strikes me as semi plausible is the resemblance of Obama to Davis with zero likeness to his supposed real father. Obama needs to get booked on the Maury Povich Show. Who's your daddy, Obama? now thats kinda funny...next up Springer. http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/...cting-dots.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinter Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Berg interview on the Savage Nation. The movement is growing http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/?pageId=2256 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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