Palin bandwagoneers

[RangerM]

According to most economists, your problems stem from greed and under regulation. At least according to what I hear on the news.

 

The freedom of failure is its own regulatory incentive. A government bailout upsets this risk/reward balance.

 

The company that acts responsibly, being conservative with its shareholders wealth, is ultimately rewarded.

 

The company that does not, perhaps reaping short term gains, will ultimately fail.

 

Where we fail, as I see it, is our inability to hold some of the "VIPs" accountable.

[suv_guy_19]

The freedom of failure is its own regulatory incentive. A government bailout upsets this risk/reward balance.

 

The company that acts responsibly, being conservative with its shareholders wealth, is ultimately rewarded.

 

The company that does not, perhaps reaping short term gains, will ultimately fail.

 

Where we fail, as I see it, is our inability to hold some of the "VIPs" accountable.

 

 

This shouldn't be so when dealing with peoples financial futures. The companies should not have been allowed to give loans to people who couldn't afford them in he first place.

[Edstock]

Watch and see!!!! This is going to be great theatre, lolol.;

Hehehehehehehe, it already is. After all, we got the Geezer King.

 

Imagine, the unctuous Palin with Brillo, her pregnant, un-married daughter as a symbol of GOP morality!

 

One "theater critic" observed:

 

Dude was just an Alaskan redneck poonhound 48 hours ago. Now he's on the airport tarmac having the sacred union of his DNA and Bristol's ova consecrated by the Geezer King. That's a lot to absorb.

 

http://jezebel.com/5045332/conventional-cr...dick-of-the-rnc

 

"just an Alaskan redneck poonhound"

 

:hysterical:

[fmccap]

This shouldn't be so when dealing with peoples financial futures. The companies should not have been allowed to give loans to people who couldn't afford them in he first place.

I personally take responsibility for my financial future. The people should of adjusted when they decided to give those loans, common sense tells you that the risk substantially went up.

 

What brings more incentive??? Bailouts or letting them fail???

 

We look more like France everyday now. You notice the government taking a stake in all these companies right? We all know that once the US government gets there hands into something they never get them out. I believe they are getting an 80% stake in AIG.

[suv_guy_19]

We look more like France everyday now.

 

France isn't too bad of a place. It has its problems, but it isn't bad of a place at all. Its rated to have the best health system in the world. Nothing to scoff at.

 

The thing that I think many have to realize, it hat, although communism or socialism probably aren't the answer, neither is anarchy or even libertarianism. This isn't the wild west, and regulation and government involvement can be a necessary thing.

[RaZor]

What DO YOU DO . . . when you have to run ads that you have "stood up/

" of your OWN party (because anyone with an active brain cell knows it was their party that got us into this mess. . .) and. . . you do not have any solutions to the problems? Answer: You lie! And you lie often.

 

 

 

Socialized capitalism anyone?

 

Sarah Palin likens her previous experience as small town mayor to thatof community organizers "except that you have actual responsibility".In a country with a strong tradition of community organizing we felt itnecessary to point out what some of those organizers have accomplished... like founding this country.

 

Note: Do not, I repeat, do not click the above link unless you can appreciate irony and absorb a short lesson in U.S. history (for Sarah Palin).

[fmccap]

France isn't too bad of a place. It has its problems, but it isn't bad of a place at all. Its rated to have the best health system in the world. Nothing to scoff at.

 

The thing that I think many have to realize, it that, although communism or socialism probably aren't the answer, neither is anarchy or even libertarianism. This isn't the wild west, and regulation and government involvement can be a necessary thing.

Very little that is. Frankly I don't care what any other place is like, this is the US and we have a Constitution that our government is supposed to follow. I have been studying this for a while and it seems like the more we veer from it the worse we are as a whole, we have our bubbles from government intervention and good times from time to time, but as we see now the little of the Free Market we have always trumps the government intervention.

Edited September 17, 2008 by fmccap

[fmccap]

Note: Do not, I repeat, do not click the above link unless you can appreciate irony and absorb a short lesson in U.S. history (for Sarah Palin).

Most of them probably only know them by name, nothing of who they are or what they have done.

[Edstock]

as we see know the little of the Free Market we have always trumps the government intervention.

After the drugs wear off, could you please explain just what the hell the drivel quoted above actually says?

 

'As we see . . . . know the little . . . . of the free market we have.

 

OK. how do you "see", "know the little"? What does that mean, and what's the "little" of "the free market we have"? How does this "little" that you seem to "know", how does it "always trumps the government intervention".

 

Try to keep it coherent. I'm not asking for brilliance, just logical, sequential thought. Capice?

[fmccap]

After the drugs wear off, could you please explain just what the hell the drivel quoted above actually says?

 

'As we see . . . . know the little . . . . of the free market we have.

 

OK. how do you "see", "know the little"? What does that mean, and what's the "little" of "the free market we have"? How does this "little" that you seem to "know", how does it "always trumps the government intervention".

 

Try to keep it coherent. I'm not asking for brilliance, just logical, sequential thought. Capice?

Sorry, it was supposed to be now.

[BlackHorse]

After the drugs wear off, could you please explain just what the hell the drivel quoted above actually says?

 

'As we see . . . . know the little . . . . of the free market we have.

 

OK. how do you "see", "know the little"? What does that mean, and what's the "little" of "the free market we have"? How does this "little" that you seem to "know", how does it "always trumps the government intervention".

 

Try to keep it coherent. I'm not asking for brilliance, just logical, sequential thought. Capice?

 

I didn't much understand the quote either, but what I find equally as ridiculous is a liberal who demands logical squential thought from someone else, as if you have any idea what that is.

 

Logical thought dictates that when when you are already handing over roughly 50% of your income to the government in one form or another that you don't run out and vote for the guy who is telling you the government doesn't have enough of your money and they need another trillion dollars.

 

Logical thought dictates that you get control of your pundits and tell them it's not okay to call republicans or anyone who doesn't plan to vote for you a bunch of racists just because they don't plan to vote for you. How about they don't plan to vote for you because they are tired of handing over their money to the government and they don't like socialists?

 

Logical thought dictates that when it's a proven fact that market conditions that are unfolding now are a direct result of the Clinton Administrations meddling with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that it's just flat stupid to try and blame Bush.

 

Logical thought dictates that everything that goes wrong in this country can't be laid at the doorstep of George Bush when there are plenty of liberals in on the legislative and decision making process.

 

Barrack Obama is not Presidential Material. He got wisked to the forefront because he was a media darling and too many people vote based on how a person looks and acts as opposed to what they stand for. But wonder boy's image is startinig to get tarnished because people are starting to listen to the truth about him and his constituents. Then he chooses one of the biggest buffoons in all of politics as his running mate; a man equally as unqualifed to lead this country. So in true liberal fashion they lash out at the voters instead of taking a look at themselves. They tell the voters they are just too dumb to understand the messiah Barrack or that they won't vote for him because they are bunch of racists. It never seems to register to you libs that maybe, just maybe, the problem is your policies. Bad news liberal boy, people who don't support liberalism are not the uniformed ignorant masses you like to pretend they are. I think you better take a look in the mirror to find stupid voters who don't know the truth about the issues.

[RaZor]

A new study has just been released by Yale University that confirms what many progressives have known for a very long time – it is futile to debate/argue with conservatives -- as conservatives will cling to the sound bites of their leaders (like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders for head of the hen-house), right-wing analysts, Faux News -- no matter what, and even in the face of proof that they are out-and-out lies – and in fact, that only makes conservatives (even in the face of reality) cling even harder to myths/lies – or, what is being called the "back-fire effect". (They even have a name for it - sorta like a disease/syndrome)

 

And now we can add another one to McCain's long, long list of flip-flops:McCain Embraces Regulation after many, many years of Opposition

 

 

Soon that list will reach 100 at the rate he is going.

[BlackHorse]

A new study has just been released by Yale University that confirms what many progressives have known for a very long time – it is futile to debate/argue with conservatives -- as conservatives will cling to the sound bites of their leaders (like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders for head of the hen-house), right-wing analysts, Faux News -- no matter what, and even in the face of proof that they are out-and-out lies – and in fact, that only makes conservatives (even in the face of reality) cling even harder to myths/lies – or, what is being called the "back-fire effect". (They even have a name for it - sorta like a disease/syndrome)

 

And now we can add another one to McCain's long, long list of flip-flops:McCain Embraces Regulation after many, many years of Opposition

 

It's futile to debate with conservatives because we inherently know how amazingly uninformed and stupid so called 'progressives' are. Here's another study released and not from some liberal agenda university either.

A new study by the Pew Research Center shows that listeners of Rush Limbaugh, the popular conservative radio talk show host, have a greater incidence of 'high knowledge' than any other news outlet except for the Weekly Standard/New Republic. Rush Limbaugh listeners outscored partakers of the New Yorker and National Public Radio in the Pew survey which sought to establish which audience is most informed.

 

 

http://www.omninerd.com/news/Limbaugh_List...s_Most_Informed

 

 

Personally I don't watch much 24 hour cable news, but you can bet when I do it's usually Fox News because frankly CNN is full of liberal BS and we all know it. If you're looking to get truly accurate information TV news is never going to do the job because they buzz clip and shorten everything to fit into their time formats.

[sprinter]

If anything your system needs significantly MORE regulation.

 

 

Not to worry, because the government is in the process of buying out banks, insurance companies, etc. Hell, maybe they will even take over Ford and GM too. This will allow our glorious government to regulate and have major control of all business decisions. Welcome to the world of COMMUNISM

[RaZor]

Personally I don't watch much 24 hour cable news, but you can bet when I do it's usually Fox News because frankly CNN is full of liberal BS and we all know it. If you're looking to get truly accurate information TV news is never going to do the job because they buzz clip and shorten everything to fit into their time formats.

 

Ah, yes. Faux News. Now there is the bastion of even reporting. NOT!

 

Thanks to some IP-address based research, the political world learned recently that the Faux was responsible for "touching up" Wikipedia pages, editing content that didn't fit with the partisan network's political agenda.For example, embarrassing content from Media Matters about FNC personalities was quietly removed. Criticism of Keith Olbermann and Al Franken was accentuated. The network that specializes in on-air propaganda had taken its usual schtick to Wiki pages.

 

With that in mind, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Fox News' Chris Wallace — you guessed it — sought to undermine Wikipedia's credibility with a report recently.

 

The irony is rich. Pay particular attention to the references to "self-serving agendas" and businesses desperate to "improve their public image."

 

 

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Fox News tried to exploit Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it's time to undermine the source of the network's embarrassment. Typical.

[BlackHorse]

Ah, yes. Faux News. Now there is the bastion of even reporting. NOT!

 

Thanks to some IP-address based research, the political world learned recently that the Faux was responsible for "touching up" Wikipedia pages, editing content that didn't fit with the partisan network's political agenda.For example, embarrassing content from Media Matters about FNC personalities was quietly removed. Criticism of Keith Olbermann and Al Franken was accentuated. The network that specializes in on-air propaganda had taken its usual schtick to Wiki pages.

 

With that in mind, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Fox News' Chris Wallace — you guessed it — sought to undermine Wikipedia's credibility with a report recently.

 

The irony is rich. Pay particular attention to the references to "self-serving agendas" and businesses desperate to "improve their public image."

 

 

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Fox News tried to exploit Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it's time to undermine the source of the network's embarrassment. Typical.

 

Like I give a shit and like CNN hasn't done the same thing or worse. CNN has teams of reporters up in Alaska working around the clock to dig up anything they can to smear Sarah Palin. Where was CNN when Barrack was hanging out with his racist preacher? Where was CNN when Barrack was hanging out with some guy that bombed the Pentagon and said as recently as 2007 that he felt like they should have done more? Why haven't they asked him a single question about these issues? Oh yeah, they are to busy following Barrack around Europe kissing his ass. You won't find a network news station that is without it's faults. Hell yes Fox News leans to the right. I DON'T CARE! I'd rather watch a rightwing news station than the socialist anti-American garbage on CNN. Like I said I don't watch 24 hour news that often.

[DUCKRACER]

It's futile to debate with conservatives because we inherently know how amazingly uninformed and stupid so called 'progressives' are. Here's another study released and not from some liberal agenda university either.

 

 

 

http://www.omninerd.com/news/Limbaugh_List...s_Most_Informed

 

 

Personally I don't watch much 24 hour cable news, but you can bet when I do it's usually Fox News because frankly CNN is full of liberal BS and we all know it. If you're looking to get truly accurate information TV news is never going to do the job because they buzz clip and shorten everything to fit into their time formats.

39% of FOX NEWS viewers are Republicans 33% are Democrats. If you watch O'Riely factor, he regularly debunks mis-truths about BHO.

[Imawhosure]

Tis kinda funny when you think about it.

 

Liberals use CLASS WARFARE to incite their constituents. When the object of their anger has had enough and leaves the US, they blame the other party, lolol.

 

Liberals have NO LOGIC whatsoever, they really do not. That is why they try and create scenarios to fit there policys, lolol.

 

Republicans-------->Drill, baby drill.

 

Democrat liberals---->Global warming, ice caps are melting, flooding will come, the trees will die, so NO DRILLING. (except 100 mls offshore with the new bill to keep DUMB voters happy. Surprise!!!!! All the stuff has been found within 50mls of the shore so far, and that will be pointed out too, lolol)

 

It is just a joke!!!!!

 

It is NOT that ALL liberal ideas are bad, cause they are not. In fact, I believe MOST of them are good, caring, people. The problem with them is, they always want to fix something, and if it works take the credit. If they break it, or mess it up worse than it was, blame everyone else.

 

President BUSH CAN NOT get of what he has done as far as the screwups. It is obvious.

 

But to say the democrats are not HIGHLY complicit in this fiasco means you are not paying attention!!!!!

 

Neither party is lilly white in this matter, but if you want us to be Socialists, please continue!!!!!!!

[napfirst]

Ah, yes. Faux News. Now there is the bastion of even reporting. NOT!

 

Thanks to some IP-address based research, the political world learned recently that the Faux was responsible for "touching up" Wikipedia pages, editing content that didn't fit with the partisan network's political agenda.For example, embarrassing content from Media Matters about FNC personalities was quietly removed. Criticism of Keith Olbermann and Al Franken was accentuated. The network that specializes in on-air propaganda had taken its usual schtick to Wiki pages.

 

With that in mind, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Fox News' Chris Wallace — you guessed it — sought to undermine Wikipedia's credibility with a report recently.

 

The irony is rich. Pay particular attention to the references to "self-serving agendas" and businesses desperate to "improve their public image."

 

 

Download or Download (Media files)

 

 

Fox News tried to exploit Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it's time to undermine the source of the network's embarrassment. Typical.

..Fox cable news is the #1 most watched cable news in the industry and has been for over 90 weeks in a row..........so....cable news is a commerical operation...in layman's terms it's a for-profit entity.....the way you get to be any type of a #1 program on cable or regular TV is to have the most people watching that in-turn translates to higher profits.....sucess, much like Ford Motor in 2000.......in fact more people watch it than watch CNN and MSNBC combined......I'll let you tell me why....and be honest.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Like I give a shit and like CNN hasn't done the same thing or worse. CNN has teams of reporters up in Alaska working around the clock to dig up anything they can to smear Sarah Palin. Where was CNN when Barrack was hanging out with his racist preacher? Where was CNN when Barrack was hanging out with some guy that bombed the Pentagon and said as recently as 2007 that he felt like they should have done more? Why haven't they asked him a single question about these issues? Oh yeah, they are to busy following Barrack around Europe kissing his ass. You won't find a network news station that is without it's faults. Hell yes Fox News leans to the right. I DON'T CARE! I'd rather watch a rightwing news station than the socialist anti-American garbage on CNN. Like I said I don't watch 24 hour news that often.

 

 

I didn't see any conservative or Republican outrage at the National Enquirer digging up the dirt on John Edwards? If the media managed to find something incriminating on Palin that is fair game. If she has skeletons in her closet and didn't disclose them to McCain then she deserves whatever happens. McCain deserves it too for doing a half assed job of vetting her before offering her the VP job.

 

BTW Palin's church is no prize package either. Her pastor had a program she attended where they blamed the Jewish victims of terrorism in Israel for their injuries and deaths because they didn't accept Jesus.

 

Obama and Ayers are not the close friends you make them out to be. They are acquaintences and served on a board together. Ayers won't be serving in an Obama administration. Can McCain say the same about Phil Gramm and the lobbyists running his campaign? I doubt it.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[BlackHorse]

I didn't see any conservative or Republican outrage at the National Enquirer digging up the dirt on John Edwards? If the media managed to find something incriminating on Palin that is fair game. If she has skeletons in her closet and didn't disclose them to McCain then she deserves whatever happens. McCain deserves it too for doing a half assed job of vetting her before offering her the VP job.

 

Spare us all the "fair is fair" BS, because we all know that when it comes to the American media fair is not fair. If not for Fox News and conservative talk radio there would be nothing but the extremely biased left wing bullshit that constitutes the rest of the media in this country. They are never going to really dig and try to find Obama's skeletons, or Bidens, because they are in the tank for them. They are liberal Democrat party mouth pieces. Sarah Palin scares the crap out of you liberals because she appeals to rank an file citizens unlike the two stuffed suit crooked elitists that you have on your ticket. The longer this goes on, the more the country gets a first hand look at how very biased the vast majority of the media in this country really is. The longer it goes on the more the country sees how liberals look down their nose at most poeple and especially how liberal politicians look down their nose at everyone.

[RaZor]

Tis kinda funny when you think about it.

 

 

Neither party is lilly white in this matter, but if you want us to be Socialists, please continue!!!!!!!

 

I don't think that global markets falling apart is one bit funny. You seem (correct me if I am wrong) to be in your twenties. I hope that you are ready to enlist if McCain gets elected. No excuses. . . just back up your rhetoric.

Conservatives tell individuals to pick yourself up off the floor and do something with your life you welfare queen. Well, when it happens to Wall Street—the corporations come begging to us and get bailed out. This is all very complicated stuff, but it proves the fallacy of conservatism. There are times when the government should step in, but for conservatives that should never happen for the average worker.

You can claim all day long that the policies of this administration (that also had a majority in Congress for 6 of the 8 years and have filibustered over 90 times in the Senate last year to keep anything from being accomplished) is not responsible for this mess. . . that is your right, but don't think that those of us that don't only listen to RW sources will be fooled.

 

So what is it now? Socialized Wall Street? Privatize the profits . . . socialize the losses? When the going gets tough . . . overpaid CEO's (and uber-wealthy) run to Washington . . . otherwise, Americans are a bunch of whiners, right? Oh, but Social Security (the most successful government program in the history of this country) is socialism. Some of you guys really -------------> don't have clue.

[BlackHorse]

Conservatives tell individuals to pick yourself up off the floor and do something with your life you welfare queen. Well, when it happens to Wall Street—the corporations come begging to us and get bailed out. This is all very complicated stuff, but it proves the fallacy of conservatism. There are times when the government should step in, but for conservatives that should never happen for the average worker.

 

I'm sorry, how many times did Bill Clinton's administration mail out a multi-hundred dollar check that wasn't your tax return to everyone? Oh yeah never. The Bush Administration has done it twice.

 

I don't hear any liberal politicians jumping up and down claiming that these bailouts shouldn't happen. They are in total agreement with it because they know if there were investigations into how companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went tits up there would be a whole bunch of Democrats with a whole lot of explaining to do. This is happening because of policies implemented by Bill Clintons Administration. Just as the fantastic economy of the 90's was nothing but the result of policies put in place by Reagan in the 80's this is nothing more than the failure of policies in the early 21st centry that were enacted by Clinton in the last years of the 20th centry.

[theripper]

well said, razor. check my signature.

 

blackhorse, you are an angry sob. get a grip. conservatism is a failing idealogy. each time razor tells you something, you come out ranting like a two year old.

 

no one, i repeat, no one, needs another 8 years of this crap.

[fmccap]

This is happening because of policies implemented by Bill Clintons Administration.

You forgot to mention by McCains buddy(Grahm) also. Isn't that one of those "half-truths"?

Edited September 18, 2008 by fmccap