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#41 OFFLINE   BlackHorse

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 03:59 PM

Bush made the same promises 8 years ago and than he refused to veto any of the pork laden spending bills the Republican Congress sent him for 6 years. IIRC Bush didn't veto a single bill in his first term. The first bill he did veto was a bi-partisan bill on stem-cell research that was supported by Nancy Reagan.


What? A little revisionist history there don't you think Mark. I was around for both of those elections and Bush never in either election said anything about promising to veto "any" pork barrel spending that crossed his desk. He never said that. That is a lie. In fact for his second term here are his stated goals.

Bush's stated goals for his second term:

Major changes to the federal tax code
Limits on medical malpractice lawsuits (tort reform and non-economic damages caps)
Reform of Social Security
Possible amnesty for many illegal aliens living and working in the United States
Continuation of the War in Iraq
Continue to fight the War on Terror
Strengthen public education, particularly through the continuation of the No Child Left Behind Act
Expand college affordability programs


As for his first term, here is the platfrom that he ran on. There is nothing in it about promising to veto pork barrel spending.

http://en.wikipedia...._campaign,_2000

So if you could find where he made that promise I'd love to see it. Otherwise I gotta chalk this up to "liberal jibber jabber nonsense".
Now it's true that Bush spent like a madman in his first six years.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 04:02 PM

So whether or not she broke the law doesn't matter if she doesn't get caught or if she can get away with it on a "technicallity" as you right wingers like to call the Constitution. The internal contradiction must make your head hurt. When it was Clinton it was truth and honor is all that is important. Now that it is Palin truth and honor don't matter. It is OK if she breaks the law and lies because she agrees with you.

Once again you don't defend what Palin did you just say BBBut the Libs did it too. If your standards don't apply to your candidate, you have no standards.


If whatever she had in there was that big a deal we would have already heard about how she was being investigated for it on the news.

Not a peep.

Shut up about it already. Just face the fact that some liberal jerkweed nerd hacked into her email account and he's probably going to jail for it. He's the only one that borke the law here.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 04:39 PM

Blackhorse, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence but I hope you don't believe half the BS on wikipedia, you do know anybody can edit and add or remove whatever they want those pages change daily, even my kids were/are taught in school when doing any project in school not to use that site, because most of the information is incorrect and right now in the height of the political season, both parties are armed at computers constantly changing information around the clock, weather it's true or false, or weather to make their party look better or to discredit the other.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 05:01 PM

Blackhorse, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence but I hope you don't believe half the BS on wikipedia, you do know anybody can edit and add or remove whatever they want those pages change daily, even my kids were/are taught in school when doing any project in school not to use that site, because most of the information is incorrect and right now in the height of the political season, both parties are armed at computers constantly changing information around the clock, weather it's true or false, or weather to make their party look better or to discredit the other.



Yeah I know that about Wiki, 4rd4 life. I did it on purpose just because I know that when they can't find anything to back up their claims the first thing they'll say is the same thing you just said. "Wikipedia is not reliable". But they won't provide anything better. Becuase they can't. You blew my plan.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 05:06 PM

Yeah I know that about Wiki, 4rd4 life. I did it on purpose just because I know that when they can't find anything to back up their claims the first thing they'll say is the same thing you just said. "Wikipedia is not reliable". But they won't provide anything better. Becuase they can't. You blew my plan.


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Posted 18 September 2008 - 05:25 PM

Sarah's email account was hacked.

http://gawker.com/50...personal-emails

Seems she not only breaks laws by ordering people to be fired for divorcing family members, and now it comes to light that she is illegally conducting state business through non governmental email accounts. :redcard:

dude you should study up more on those accusations....
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 05:36 PM

i don't want to sway peoples vote(not like most people will listen which is good)

i don't believe Obama is going to win because a lot of the people that he is trying to get to vote for him are either:

A. not registered to vote

B. not going to vote

now the media is going after very little things about Plain when Obama has far worse things on him, soon the Palin craze will die down and we will focus on Obama again....and that will seal it

i much rather see a inexperienced Sarah Palin than an inexperienced Barrack Obama

i guess we will see after the debates

Edited by Ford-150, 18 September 2008 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 05:36 PM

Fine, lets change it. Unfortunately your boy Barrack has decided that the way to change it is to levi an ever heavier tax burden upon the people of this nation who already pay far too much taxes. That's not change, that's typical liberal politics. He preaches change, but what he wants to do is the same failed liberal policies the Democrat party has been failing at since the 1960's.

2 cents worth...limit was suggested at >250k....last i looked the average wage for MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS ( brunt of the taxpayers AND population ) was SUBSTANTIALLY south of that mark.....personally bring on a 15 % tax across the board .....NO kinky writeoffs or loopholes..........15% on total profit........
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 06:17 PM

2 cents worth...limit was suggested at >250k....last i looked the average wage for MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS ( brunt of the taxpayers AND population ) was SUBSTANTIALLY south of that mark.....personally bring on a 15 % tax across the board .....NO kinky writeoffs or loopholes..........15% on total profit........


Under Barracks plan if you live in certain areas of the country where the state income tax is also high like New York your income would end up being taxed at 66%. The more you make, the more you would be taxed. Barrack would punish you for working hard and making more money, the antithesis of the American dream. More like communism. Sure it's easy when you don't make 250 grand or more a year to sit back and say "Yeah, fuck those guys, make the rich pay!" Ever wonder what happens when the rich get taxed at 2/3rds of their income? They don't have that money to put back into the economy. They don't have the money to hire people to work for them. They don't have the money to buy things. The government has that money. Joe Biden says he's going to give that money to the middle class. Liberals are dumb enough to believe Joe Biden and Barrack Obama when they say that. I'm smart enough to realize there is no way in hell they are going to give that money back in any meanngful manner. Whatever they do give back is going to be some paultry pittance and they'll make out like they just gave you the greatest thing in your life. The rest of it will go right where Barrack and Biden send most of it right now, to their wealthy friends.

If they want to pass a tax break for the middle class, fine pass a tax break for the middle class. God knows we could use it. Your average American already pays roughly 50% of their income in taxes of one form or another. Joe Biden and Barrack Obama say they need more, they don't have enough and Americans should find it their patriotic duty to pay. Yet at the drop of a hat the government can come up with 85 Billion for AIG, 180 Billion for the banking industry, hundreds of billions a year for pork projects of all sort. They don't have enough money? MY ASS! I'm wondering how far that tax break for the middle class will be stretched if Barrack implements his socialized medicine program. Bye bye tax break.

Finally one last thing, if Barrack and Bideawee boy are so interested in making sure the middle class keeps more of their money, why do they think it's up to them to take it from someone else? Why do they think that's ok? How about they just leave us alone? How about they do like you said and just tax everyone at 15% across the board? Why? Because then they won't have as much money to just flat out take from us and give to their rich friends.

Edited by BlackHorse, 18 September 2008 - 06:20 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 06:37 PM

Under Barracks plan if you live in certain areas of the country where the state income tax is also high like New York your income would end up being taxed at 66%. The more you make, the more you would be taxed. Barrack would punish you for working hard and making more money, the antithesis of the American dream. More like communism. Sure it's easy when you don't make 250 grand or more a year to sit back and say "Yeah, fuck those guys, make the rich pay!" Ever wonder what happens when the rich get taxed at 2/3rds of their income? They don't have that money to put back into the economy. They don't have the money to hire people to work for them. They don't have the money to buy things. The government has that money. Joe Biden says he's going to give that money to the middle class. Liberals are dumb enough to believe Joe Biden and Barrack Obama when they say that. I'm smart enough to realize there is no way in hell they are going to give that money back in any meanngful manner. Whatever they do give back is going to be some paultry pittance and they'll make out like they just gave you the greatest thing in your life. The rest of it will go right where Barrack and Biden send most of it right now, to their wealthy friends.

If they want to pass a tax break for the middle class, fine pass a tax break for the middle class. God knows we could use it. Your average American already pays roughly 50% of their income in taxes of one form or another. Joe Biden and Barrack Obama say they need more, they don't have enough and Americans should find it their patriotic duty to pay. Yet at the drop of a hat the government can come up with 85 Billion for AIG, 180 Billion for the banking industry, hundreds of billions a year for pork projects of all sort. They don't have enough money? MY ASS! I'm wondering how far that tax break for the middle class will be stretched if Barrack implements his socialized medicine program. Bye bye tax break.

Finally one last thing, if Barrack and Bideawee boy are so interested in making sure the middle class keeps more of their money, why do they think it's up to them to take it from someone else? Why do they think that's ok? How about they just leave us alone? How about they do like you said and just tax everyone at 15% across the board? Why? Because then they won't have as much money to just flat out take from us and give to their rich friends.

perhaps i am too simplistic in my outlook, and probably WAY too simplistic in offered band aids....but ok, 250k getting taxed higher and unable to put back...well they seem to have TAKEN it to begin with correct? I have too many pretentious "friends' making money and gloating at the loopholes they utilize to either avoid or get returns....meanwhile 60% of the country is paying 90% of the taxes...clamp down on loopholes...and flat tax individual earnings...then its fair across the board....simple...but thats just me.....as for medical...waht a damn weapon for absolute greed and corruption....90% spent on advetising 5% on research and theres a pill for everything....also...get rid of the high dollar celebrity smoozing campaign trails...television only....enough of this donation and look after me down the road BS....if $ were not donated by BigOil, drug companies ( to name a couple ) it weakens their leverage big time and they cannot bend rules as much....man i sound like a conspiracy theorist ....apologies....politics is EXTREMELY wastful of dollars spent better elsewhere.....hell...how much was raised for Hillarys campaign....send the $ to New Orleans and let her campaign via broadcast..........but back on topic...I beleive middle class America carries an inappropriate amount of the countrys burden....and from what I have read countless times 15% across the board would actually bring more taxpayers dollars to the Govts coffer...the resistance is those whom vote for the policies are basically all > $250k.....and that is a conflict of THEIR interest......remember this is a country that is basically "All About Me" first and foremost........
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 06:50 PM

...well they seem to have TAKEN it to begin with correct? I have too many pretentious "friends' making money and gloating at the loopholes they utilize to either avoid or get returns....meanwhile 60% of the country is paying 90% of the taxes...that is basically "All About Me" first and foremost........

What are you smoking?......The top 1% of earners pay 35% of the taxes and the bottom 50% pay 3% of the taxes.....what have these peopple taken? ....do you mean because they have worked hard and become wealthy....they have somehow taken something from someone else........
If obama is elected it will get much worse, ......he is trying to push a bill through Congress now for a global poverty tax......he wants us to take our taxes and give them to poorer nations....some of which are our enemies

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 06:55 PM

perhaps i am too simplistic in my outlook, and probably WAY too simplistic in offered band aids....but ok, 250k getting taxed higher and unable to put back...well they seem to have TAKEN it to begin with correct? I have too many pretentious "friends' making money and gloating at the loopholes they utilize to either avoid or get returns....meanwhile 60% of the country is paying 90% of the taxes.


Uh, no they're not and where are you getting this stuff. Biden?

The top-earning 25 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $64,702) earned 68.2 percent of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86.3 percent). The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI over $388,806) earned approximately 22.1 percent of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.9 percent of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1 percent of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95 percent of tax returns.


http://www.taxfounda...s/show/250.html


This is a problem that would only get worse if Barrack got his way. I'm down for 15% across the board, no loopholes, no bullshit, no Barrack communisim plan.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:05 PM

i can not believe Barrack Obama got this far

Biden should be the one running for president

this country never ceases to surprise me
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:34 PM

What are you smoking?......The top 1% of earners pay 35% of the taxes and the bottom 50% pay 3% of the taxes.....what have these peopple taken? ....do you mean because they have worked hard and become wealthy....they have somehow taken something from someone else........
If obama is elected it will get much worse, ......he is trying to push a bill through Congress now for a global poverty tax......he wants us to take our taxes and give them to poorer nations....some of which are our enemies


It's worse than that.

Per, http://www.taxfounda.../show/1410.html, 40% of working families pay NO Federal Income taxes. (average of 22% of Married filing Jointly, 22% of Married filing separately, and 66% of Heads of Household)

Somehow BO is going to give a tax cut to 95% of working families, but given that 40% pay NO income taxes, that's quite a trick.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:44 PM

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:47 PM

http://www.drawger.c...article_id=6065


A more perfect example of demagoguery would be difficult to come by.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:55 PM

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seriously why were you looking for something like this?
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 08:04 PM

seriously why were you looking for something like this?


Because he's a dyed in the wool dumb ass liberal with some obvious psychological issues.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 08:08 PM

Because he's a dyed in the wool dumb ass liberal with some obvious psychological issues.



And you are a conservative sheep willing to vote against your own interest. Hopefully Obama will be elected and you will be saved from having to live with your choice.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 08:15 PM

And you are a conservative sheep willing to vote against your own interest. Hopefully Obama will be elected and you will be saved from having to live with your choice.

How about answering Blackhorse's question....how can he cut taxes for 95% of Americans, when 40% currently pay zero.....maybe this 40% will be given money......is that how it will work?

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