McCain Camp Hiding Palin From Sunday News Shows

[Floyd Lawson]

"Obama opens fire on Palin"

What is wrong with this picture? Obama is running against McCain not Palin, but the Republican have succeed in putting him on the defensive and now he's not sure who he's running against. Where's Biden in all of this?

[Len_A]

Not sure how you can come to the conclusion that he was in good company; first I'm sure that Obama neither ask any of these people their opinion on the surge or would have taken it if offered and secondly none of these people listed are currently running for POTUS except Obama, therein lies the problem. Like off-shore drilling Obama underestimated the will of the American people and now he's trying to make course corrections and most people aren't buying it!

My conclusion comes from Woodward's comments that Bush had to shove the surge down the Pentagon's throats, because DoD leadership, and the Joint Chiefs, were in "reducing troop level" mode. Gen. Casey had commented to anyone who would listen that Baghdad was a black hole, that you could dump more troops in there and it would do no good. Obviously now, that assessment was incorrect. But that does not change the facts that DoD and the generals in the Pentagon were against the surge and Bush literally had to make it presidential order to get them off dead center and move on it, and that included firing Casey and Rumsfield. Therefore, Obama was far from the only person who didn't agree with the surge, period.

 

What the heck are you talking about the "will of the people" in reference to the troop surge? The "will of the people" was that the surge was very unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Americans. The only ones it was even remotely popular with was the more conservative elements of the Political right. Even the families of troops being rotated back into Iraq for the third time, and those whose tours were extended, were starting to publicly express their disagreements with the surge. The surge, it's success notwithstanding, has been one of the most polarizing issues in American politics during the last two years.

[mettech]

Honestly Floyd, I don't think "executive experience" is necessary. Kennedy had none, LBJ had none, Nixon had none (even Eisenhower quipped that he couldn't think of anything Nixon did as VP), Ford had none, George H.W. Bush had none. W's experience as Gov of Texas was minimal since Texas is a weak executive form of government.

 

BTW what executive experience does McCain have? The fact remains that Palin's executive experience as mayor of a tiny town isn't relevant to the Presidency and she hasn't served even two years as Alaska Governor.

 

The fact that her foreign policy experience touted by the McCain camp is that Alaska is close to Russia. That is just plain stupid since the Alaska Governor has no role in making U.S. foreign policy.

 

Her command of the Alaska National Guard didn't include her giving any orders. She has no role in the Guard when they serve overseas, that responsibility falls solely to the DOD.

 

If you want to play the experience card, the most experienced person running in the primaries of either party was Bill Richardson. Gov of New Mexico, U.S. Congressman, Former U.S Secretary of Energy, Former UN Ambassador.

 

Is there anyway that the Republican ticket could convince you to vote for them?

 

Or are you an "Extremest". Unwilling to listen with an open mind. :shades:

 

I switched parties and voted for Sen. Clinton in the primaries. This weekend, I listened to Sen. Obama when he visited Terre Haute, In.

 

I have not made up my mind yet on who to vote for... I really like Sen Biden... But I sure do like the Republican ticket team.

 

Have the Unions ever had a family member represent them in the Executive office before?

[Hemiman]

I'll add my two cents.

 

 

The Dems were screwed by the press. While I personally like Obama better, Clinton would have been the better choice. Obama has done nothing that qualifies him to lead this nation, except become the sweetheart of Hollywood and the press. It's too bad for the party, because these folks have ruined any chance of the Dems taking back the White House.

 

 

This doesn't really effect me because I think the McCain/Palin ticket is far more qualified to lead than Obama/Biden or Clinton/?.

 

It just would have been nice to have two competent tickets competing for my vote.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Hemiman

[Floyd Lawson]

My conclusion comes from Woodward's comments that Bush had to shove the surge down the Pentagon's throats, because DoD leadership, and the Joint Chiefs, were in "reducing troop level" mode. Gen. Casey had commented to anyone who would listen that Baghdad was a black hole, that you could dump more troops in there and it would do no good. Obviously now, that assessment was incorrect. But that does not change the facts that DoD and the generals in the Pentagon were against the surge and Bush literally had to make it presidential order to get them off dead center and move on it, and that included firing Casey and Rumsfield. Therefore, Obama was far from the only person who didn't agree with the surge, period.

 

What the heck are you talking about the "will of the people" in reference to the troop surge? The "will of the people" was that the surge was very unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Americans. The only ones it was even remotely popular with was the more conservative elements of the Political right. Even the families of troops being rotated back into Iraq for the third time, and those whose tours were extended, were starting to publicly express their disagreements with the surge. The surge, it's success notwithstanding, has been one of the most polarizing issues in American politics during the last two years.

Let me clarify; my statement "will of the people" was in reference to drilling at home. I never said that Obama was alone in opposing the surge, I said he was wrong. Having company there doesn't change the fact that he was WRONG and that goes directly to his ability to make tough military decisions, which Bush did.

Get digging, your hole is getting deeper.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Is there anyway that the Republican ticket could convince you to vote for them?

 

Or are you an "Extremest". Unwilling to listen with an open mind. :shades:

 

I switched parties and voted for Sen. Clinton in the primaries. This weekend, I listened to Sen. Obama when he visited Terre Haute, In.

 

I have not made up my mind yet on who to vote for... I really like Sen Biden... But I sure do like the Republican ticket team.

 

Have the Unions ever had a family member represent them in the Executive office before?

 

 

I supported McCain in 2000 when he was a true Maverick. I ended up voting for Bush because I bought into his "uniter" bullshit. I was also hopeful when he made Colin Powell Secretary of State. Unfortunately, I was wrong. Bush championed wedge politics. He squandered the world support we had after 9/11. He placed personal loyalty over competence.

 

His refusal to ever admit making any mistakes and surrounding himself with yes men who feed him only what he wants to hear. Bush refuses to listen to opposing views which is why Powell quit. He has trashed the Constitution.

 

My problem with McCain is that he has abandoned all the principles he held dear in 2000. He flipped on Torture, Tax cuts, the Agents of Intolerance of the Right, all to get the nomination. The Straight Talk Express isn't since he hired the very same Bush advisers who thrashed him in 2000. His ads have intentionally lied about Obama's record. That isn't the McCain who took a stand against the "swift boating" of John Kerry in '04.

 

My feelings about McCain are of true disappointment. He could have changed the party to be truly inclusive of all Americans. Instead, the party had changed McCain. I probably could have considered McCain if he had chosen a moderate running mate with some real experience. I would have been fine with Ridge, Pawlenty, even Lieberman or many others. Instead he went far right with Palin who's credentials are minimal and who he didn't even know past meeting her once. Now his campaign is trying desperately to push her as well qualified to step in on day one. She isn't.

 

Why did you support Clinton? on the issues she is the polar opposite of McCain and even further away from Palin.

 

I agree with you on Biden. It made me very happy that Obama picked him for VP. Obama has shown the ability to listen to divergent views. Biden will have a lot of influence in an Obama administration. On top of that he is ready to be President. What influence would Palin have? probably not much. She is on the ticket to motivate the base, nothing more.

 

Republicans did have a union member in the Whitehouse... Ronald Reagan was president of the Screen Actor's Guild. That really didn't work out too well for union members. We really know nothing about how Palin feels about union members or their issues. So far all she has done is read speeches written for her by the party.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Mark B. Morrow

[fmccap]

Like off-shore drilling Obama underestimated the will of the American people and now he's trying to make course corrections and most people aren't buying it!

Why are you buying it for McCain??? In this situation they are the same, look it up.

[mulewright]

Why are you buying it for McCain??? In this situation they are the same, look it up.

 

I think McCain can do it because he isn't beholden to the enviromental lobby like the Democrats. Obama has never gone up against his own party and you have to believe that somehow this time he will.

[Ralph Greene]

I was all set to support McCain....him being advertised as a moderate Republican. And me being a registered mostly voting republican for almost 50 years.

 

I had thought....here finally is a moderate Republican I can vote for.....not one of the Bible spouting right wingers, who want me to live like they believe. I was sure he was moderate on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

 

Apparently....his Republican strategists....realizing he was not going to win with this current strategy....went back to their old supporters....the religious right....a group mostly respoinsible for electing George W. And then he introduces Palin....an articulate, intelligent, beautiful, forceful, admirable, etc, person who is way more conservative than even he is. Some of her extremely conservative statements and actions from the past scare the heck out of me. So....sure....let's see what she really believes now. Give her a chance.

 

But I imagine....I have been forced away from voting for McCain. He blew it with me.

 

No matter what anyone says....I also know it won't make a lot of differnce which one wins. Neither can do most of the things they say they will do....that being the job of Congress. My future is mostly up to me.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Ralph Greene

[mulewright]

I watched Bob Woodward's interview last night on 60 Minutes. A couple of interesting points came up - apparently, regarding the surge, then Iraq U.S. Commander Gen. Casey wasn't on board with it, nor was most of the Pentagon. So apparently, Obama was in good company in not being on board with the surge strategy. Secondly, Rumsfield's firing was over Cheney's objections. Third, apparently the Army has a very effective, and very secret intel program going on that's targeting the enemy leadership in Iraq, so effective that Woodward won't reveal anything else about it other than it exists.

 

I too watched that, lets remember that Bob Woodward isn't exactly an impartial witness here, he's also trying to sell a book.

 

But either way, the fact is Obama was wrong... McCain was right... and at that time the war was not going well and the fact is that Obama agreed with the guys who had screwed things up...

Edited September 8, 2008 by mulewright

[mettech]

CNN reported today that McCain, since 2005 has voted with his party 90% of the time. (77% in 2005)

 

Obama voted with his party 97% during that time period.

 

:shades: :shades:

 

 

I try to vote for the person that will support Americans and America's interest and not the party they are from.

 

It appears from the data that McCain can be trusted with that responsibility.

 

 

And sometimes what is best for America, is not best for Americans.

[Mark B. Morrow]

CNN reported today that McCain, since 2005 has voted with his party 90% of the time. (77% in 2005)

 

Obama voted with his party 97% during that time period.

 

:shades: :shades:

 

 

I try to vote for the person that will support Americans and America's interest and not the party they are from.

 

It appears from the data that McCain can be trusted with that responsibility.

 

 

And sometimes what is best for America, is not best for Americans.

 

 

Obama's party hasn't been in control of the Whitehouse during that time. In as much as he is opposed to most Bush policies that isn't really very surprizing.

[P71_CrownVic]

I love how you guys are so concerned with McCain dying.

 

I am more concerned with John McCain voting with Bush 95% of the time. We cannot afford another 4 years of the same shit...

[Mark B. Morrow]

I was all set to support McCain....him being advertised as a moderate Republican. And me being a registered mostly voting republican for almost 50 years.

 

I had thought....here finally is a moderate Republican I can vote for.....not one of the Bible spouting right wingers, who want me to live like they believe. I was sure he was moderate on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.

 

Apparently....his Republican strategists....realizing he was not going to win with this current strategy....went back to their old supporters....the religious right....a group mostly respoinsible for electing George W. And then he introduces Palin....an articulate, intelligent, beautiful, forceful, admirable, etc, person who is way more conservative than even he is. Some of her extremely conservative statements and actions from the past scare the heck out of me. So....sure....let's see what she really believes now. Give her a chance.

 

But I imagine....I have been forced away from voting for McCain. He blew it with me.

 

No matter what anyone says....I also know it won't make a lot of differnce which one wins. Neither can do most of the things they say they will do....that being the job of Congress. My future is mostly up to me.

 

Both parties are overwhelmingly controlled by their base, being the more extreme elements-true believers. Usually Republicans run right in the primaries and Democrats run left in order to secure the nomination. Then they move toward the middle for the general election because that is where most Americans are. Obama has moved toward the middle since he clinched the nomination. McCain has mover further right by picking Palin who is more in tune with Bush/Cheney on the issues than she is with McCain.

 

McCain picked Palin as a calculated attempt to secure the base. If he had been a true Maverick he would have told the base he was picking a moderate he really knows and likes such as Ridge or Lieberman. He could have chosen a moderate woman like Gov. Whitman if he wanted to appeal to Hillary's voters. Once they learn more about Palin's politics they won't vote for her. The fact remains that McCain is 73. He's a one termer most likely. By picking Palin he has set in motion his own dumping from the 2012 ticket if he wins in '08. The base would prefer Palin/McCain in 08.

[Imawhosure]

Let us all remember that one of the Democrats big points is----------->Palin will be one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

 

Good POINT!!!!!

 

But I happen to have almost as good; if not better a point for ya.

 

Guess who is TWO HEARTBEATS away from the Presidency?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Why Nancy Pelosi of course, and that is exactly why we not only need to Make Sarah Palin our Vice President, but also need to use those coat (skirt) tails to drive Democrats out of the majority............unless of course they want to get smart and remove Mrs Pelosi BEFORE the election.

 

All pols show Mcain/Palin passing the socialists as of this moment. While it is still early, and I am smart enough to know that races change like the wind, did you liberals ever even consider this to happen this time around?!?!?!?!

 

And let me tell ya------------>unless you can find something awful on Palin or Mcain dies before the election, it is going to get WORSE!!!!!! I know what is coming down the pipe just for you, and America will throw Barack over before this is done. It isn't even going to be close..............if you don't find something, this is the closest you will be from here on out. Better enjoy it while you can!!!!!! Shortly you will again be reduced to whining status, and what this election will come down to is------------->will Sarah bring out a big enough turnout to drive your eco buddies into the minority in congress.

 

Most of us HOPE SO!!!!!

 

P.S. Thanks Mz Winfrey for insulting Sarah by insisting you wouldn't have her on your mostly female watched show. All that has done is add more determination to those that support here, and re-energized those that sat on the sidelines. It might also cost you a few ratings points, but what the hell, you are a billionaire (or close) anyway.

 

I would also like to thank Ellen DEGENERATE for having Michelle on her show while ignoring Sarah. It only drives home the point that the media is leftist, which now allows the rest of us to drive the point home!!!!!

 

You BOTH have done a service for your country, although you won't be happy about WHO you actually helped, lolololol.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Imawhosure

[Len_A]

Both parties are overwhelmingly controlled by their base, being the more extreme elements-true believers. Usually Republicans run right in the primaries and Democrats run left in order to secure the nomination. Then they move toward the middle for the general election because that is where most Americans are. Obama has moved toward the middle since he clinched the nomination. McCain has mover further right by picking Palin who is more in tune with Bush/Cheney on the issues than she is with McCain.

 

McCain picked Palin as a calculated attempt to secure the base. If he had been a true Maverick he would have told the base he was picking a moderate he really knows and likes such as Ridge or Lieberman. He could have chosen a moderate woman like Gov. Whitman if he wanted to appeal to Hillary's voters. Once they learn more about Palin's politics they won't vote for her. The fact remains that McCain is 73. He's a one termer most likely. By picking Palin he has set in motion his own dumping from the 2012 ticket if he wins in '08. The base would prefer Palin/McCain in 08.

Exactly. This is the first time I can remember seeing McCain pander this much to the far right, and the only conclusion was to appease the religious right. In view of his February, 2000 speech calling the religious right a group "(practicing) the politics of division and slander that are not our values. They are a corrupting influence on ... politics, and those who practice them in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our party and our country", and also in view of former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, a senior McCain adviser, this past March,2008, calling the religious right "a serious problem," I view McCain's choice of Palin more than a bit hypocritical. He wants to win so bad, that he'll do nearly anything to get the religious right fired up and out there recruiting and voting.

 

That's all well and good, but it reminds me of another Republican, who was well known in his state as a consensus builder, and was well known for reaching across the aisle to work on a common middle ground. He ended up, thanks to one of his senior advisers, indebted to the religious right, and has had to try and please them more than once: George W. Bush

 

McCain could well wind up owing the religous right as much as Bush did, and that will be the end of the "maverick".

[Hemiman]

McCain could well wind up owing the religous right as much as Bush did, and that will be the end of the "maverick".

 

 

So, who will Obama owe?

[MGolden]

Biden is the only one who has made any sense on Iraq. Iraq was a made up country in the first place. Three groups who have hated each other for centuries. Like Yugoslavia, it only worked as long as there was a strongman to hold it all together. Dividing Iraq into 3 semi autonomous regions and sharing the oil wealth is the only way to keep it from devolving into civil war.

ever been there?

[MGolden]

I am more concerned with John McCain voting with Bush 95% of the time. We cannot afford another 4 years of the same shit...

What shit (specifically) are you talking about?

[Mark B. Morrow]

Let us all remember that one of the Democrats big points is----------->Palin will be one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

 

Good POINT!!!!!

 

But I happen to have almost as good; if not better a point for ya.

 

Guess who is TWO HEARTBEATS away from the Presidency?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Why Nancy Pelosi of course, and that is exactly why we not only need to Make Sarah Palin our Vice President, but also need to use those coat (skirt) tails to drive Democrats out of the majority............unless of course they want to get smart and remove Mrs Pelosi BEFORE the election.

 

All pols show Mcain/Palin passing the socialists as of this moment. While it is still early, and I am smart enough to know that races change like the wind, did you liberals ever even consider this to happen this time around?!?!?!?!

 

And let me tell ya------------>unless you can find something awful on Palin or Mcain dies before the election, it is going to get WORSE!!!!!! I know what is coming down the pipe just for you, and America will throw Barack over before this is done. It isn't even going to be close..............if you don't find something, this is the closest you will be from here on out. Better enjoy it while you can!!!!!! Shortly you will again be reduced to whining status, and what this election will come down to is------------->will Sarah bring out a big enough turnout to drive your eco buddies into the minority in congress.

 

Most of us HOPE SO!!!!!

 

P.S. Thanks Mz Winfrey for insulting Sarah by insisting you wouldn't have her on your mostly female watched show. All that has done is add more determination to those that support here, and re-energized those that sat on the sidelines. It might also cost you a few ratings points, but what the hell, you are a billionaire (or close) anyway.

 

I would also like to thank Ellen DEGENERATE for having Michelle on her show while ignoring Sarah. It only drives home the point that the media is leftist, which now allows the rest of us to drive the point home!!!!!

 

You BOTH have done a service for your country, although you won't be happy about WHO you actually helped, lolololol.

 

RED HERRING!

 

Nancy Pelosi would only be in line if both the President and VP were killed together or in very close succession. The VP would pick a new VP upon assuming the Presidency just as Johnson and Ford did.

 

Do you really think for a moment that Palin would go on either Oprah or Ellen. BTW I'm sure Ellen would have her on since she had McCain as a guest and was very respectful about their differences on gay marriage.

 

Please be serious. Up until Friday she wasn't going to do any interviews. She wouldn't even go on Fox or Larry King. It will be interesting to see what she does say with Charlie Gibson. As far as I'm concerned she owes the people an explanation of her views and her history before she should be considered for VP.

[Mark B. Morrow]

ever been there?

 

 

No.

[atomaro]

Sarah is my new MILF of the Month.

[Len_A]

So, who will Obama owe?

I don't know - you tell me. I'll tell you who it won't be - it won't be the religious whack-job right.

[Len_A]

Sarah is my new MILF of the Month.

I wouldn't kick her out of bed (sort of like that brunette with the glasses thing she has going), but that's all she's good for).

[Floyd Lawson]

Exactly. This is the first time I can remember seeing McCain pander this much to the far right, and the only conclusion was to appease the religious right. In view of his February, 2000 speech calling the religious right a group "(practicing) the politics of division and slander that are not our values. They are a corrupting influence on ... politics, and those who practice them in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our party and our country", and also in view of former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger, a senior McCain adviser, this past March,2008, calling the religious right "a serious problem," I view McCain's choice of Palin more than a bit hypocritical. He wants to win so bad, that he'll do nearly anything to get the religious right fired up and out there recruiting and voting.

 

That's all well and good, but it reminds me of another Republican, who was well known in his state as a consensus builder, and was well known for reaching across the aisle to work on a common middle ground. He ended up, thanks to one of his senior advisers, indebted to the religious right, and has had to try and please them more than once: George W. Bush

 

McCain could well wind up owing the religous right as much as Bush did, and that will be the end of the "maverick".

Thanks for the history on McCain. Now how about filling in the blanks for Obama. Tell us about him sitting in Wright's church for 20 years, you remember, "God Damn America", or tell us about Bill Ayers or his communist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. There's more!