junior97 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 fact is a fact, have you ever listened to Bush? HE IS SIMPLY AN IDIOT. The man said Canada was not there for the U.S. after 911 but it was. Bush said there was a connection between Osama and Saddam, Canada said there wasn't, so then the U.S. attacked Canada for a lack of support, THEN Canada retaliated. And as for Canada's current leader he has the full support of Basil "Buzz" Hargrove. Do you remember the press conference a few weeks ago? Besides whatever Martins short comings are, Bush can't hold a candle next him in the inteligence department, imagine Bush in a minority parliamentary situation :lol: . So NO it cannot be a wash and you are being insubordinate. Keep it up and I will be forced to tell on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I seem to recall from what I could de-cypher from his mindless, broken English babble, Cretien making a reference to the 9/11 attacks being a result of the US's foreign policy. This was the first time he spoke of it. Even if this were true, which it isn't, it was neither the time or place to say it. If that wasn't a slap in the face, nothing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Why do Canadians go on and on about this. We have know real army and are largely an insignificant country in the world. We couldn't help the USA in a war situation since we have no mines, no tanks, no helicopters(that really fly), leaky submarines that catch on fire and 12,000 actual combat troops. (and no ability to transport them where they need to be) We sent are army to Rwanda and didn't even provide them with enough ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Since we are the USA's nearest neighbour, and all their allies are democracies, whose governments are responsible to their citizens,(unlike our enemies), it is reasonable to assume that European countries' citizens may look at Canada's take on the USA's actions as a barometer. What they think is crucial to political parties election hopes. America bashing in Canada may have far-reaching consequences, and not only soft wood lumber, but also the Canadian auto industry could be in jeapordy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 I don't see my distant cousin George Bush as a carrot man. I think he is more of a stick man. So watch out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Our union wants us to vote fo9r the liberal party, which has been constantly bashing the USA to get the low life vote. Bashing the USA is going to hurt us. Does our union have a death wish, or are they just stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Our union wants us to vote fo9r the liberal party, which has been constantly bashing the USA to get the low life vote. Bashing the USA is going to hurt us. Does our union have a death wish, or are they just stupid? Buzz has a I want to be in the Canadian Senate wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Our union wants us to vote fo9r the liberal party, which has been constantly bashing the USA to get the low life vote. Bashing the USA is going to hurt us. Does our union have a death wish, or are they just stupid? The CAW and Hargrove are promoting "Strategic" voting....simply put..IF the NDP candidate is strong in your riding then vote NDP, if however the NDP has NO CHANCE then vote Liberal rather than split your vote and risk the Conservatives winning the riding. Who is bashing the US? Are you telling me that our Prime Minister should not make comments that the Americans may not agree to?? Are you telling me that we as Canadians must never speak out against US policy? We have the right/duty to express our concerns, whether anyone takes it seriously or not is their problem. Merry Christmas Buzz has a I want to be in the Canadian Senate wish. Good for him, we should all have goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 What ever Martin is doing to try to get the duties lifted off soft wood lumber, it isn't working. If the liberals hadn't attacked the US after 9/11, and our US ambassador hadn't interferred with the 2000 US elections, we wouldn't have those duties. Watch out. The Canadian auto industry could be next. We were wrong. We should just admit it and make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Forgive me, Merry Christmas to you too. I f you are a union rep you are supposed to say "Seasons Greetings". I may not be a christian, and may get offended. (just being sarcastic). This one is for real. MERRY CHRISTMAS and all the best to you and your family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 What ever Martin is doing to try to get the duties lifted off soft wood lumber, it isn't working. If the liberals hadn't attacked the US after 9/11, and our US ambassador hadn't interferred with the 2000 US elections, we wouldn't have those duties. Watch out. The Canadian auto industry could be next. We were wrong. We should just admit it and make up. Softwood duties reduced Remember the WTO stated that the USA was in violation for applying the onerous duties on softwood. Duties too high Whats to make up for? For expressing our opinion? for demading that the USA live up to the judgement handed down by the WTO? I think the World Trade Organization is a travesty, HOWEVER the members agreed to follow it's rulings...and not just the ones that are favourable.. I stated before I have nothing against the average American, just as I am 100% sure the "average" American has no ill will towards Canadians in general. Again Merry Christmas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 The CAW and Hargrove are promoting "Strategic" voting....simply put..IF the NDP candidate is strong in your riding then vote NDP, if however the NDP has NO CHANCE then vote Liberal rather than split your vote and risk the Conservatives winning the riding.Who is bashing the US? Are you telling me that our Prime Minister should not make comments that the Americans may not agree to?? Are you telling me that we as Canadians must never speak out against US policy? We have the right/duty to express our concerns, whether anyone takes it seriously or not is their problem. Merry Christmas Good for him, we should all have goals. Hmm lets ask what the leader of the NDP thinks? Not exactly team work. Kinda like when the socialists had their greatest victory but someONE else had another idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 If you are a union rep you are supposed to say "Seasons Greetings". I may not be a christian, and may get offended. (just being sarcastic). If a Union Rep is "off the clock" (assuming he's posting from home), I would assume he'd be allowed to say Merry <Insert expletive here> Christmas, if he/she chose to do so. Insult or no. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 If a Union Rep is "off the clock" (assuming he's posting from home), I would assume he'd be allowed to say Merry <Insert expletive here> Christmas, if he/she chose to do so. Insult or no. :D NOPE WRONG. A union rep is suppose to go BEYOND the call of duty. Why do you think Buzz thinks he should be Prime Minister. If a rep was caught pulling a sheet over thier heads with two holes in it as a joke, while off duty, it would be the end for them, dont you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 If a rep was caught pulling a sheet over thier heads with two holes in it as a joke, while off duty, it would be the end for them, dont you think?I would think that if you pulled up to a Toronto housing project and jumped out of your car screaming "Merry Christmas", it would be taken much differently than if you did the same with a white sheet with two holes cut in it. How much differently? I would say the difference between "alive" and "dead". I don't think any other reasonable human being would equate the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) I would think that if you pulled up to a Toronto housing project and jumped out of your car screaming "Merry Christmas", it would be taken much differently than if you did the same with a white sheet with two holes cut in it. How much differently? I would say the difference between "alive" and "dead". I don't think any other reasonable human being would equate the two. So it is semantics you want to engage in? Its the liberal left that endorses the idea that it would be polite to respect other religions at this time of year. If you suggest one should impose thier ideal on others by stating repeatedly how Christianity is the dominate religion in our society at this time of year then you also are suggesting you believe your religion is the right one and not thiers. Degrees of right and wrong can be argued endlessly and Ive always felt differing religions have been fuel to the my opinion is right fire. Unions are suppose to mitigate those political positions and Happy Holidays is the best neutral ground. If a union rep off duty these days was to insist repeatedly on calling an unmarried woman a Miss. or a married one Mrs. yet she insisted on Ms. they would be, sorry about the pun, crucified. And that my friend is the difference between smart and stupid. Edited December 21, 2005 by foxrun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 So it is semantics you want to engage in? Its the liberal left that endorses the idea that it would be polite to respect other religions at this time of year. If you suggest one should impose thier ideal on others by stating repeatedly how Christianity is the dominate religion in our society at this time of year then you also are suggesting you believe your religion is the right one and not thiers. Degrees of right and wrong can be argued endlessly and Ive always felt differing religions have been fuel to the my opinion is right fire. Unions are suppose to mitigate those political positions and Happy Holidays is the best neutral ground. If a union rep off duty these days was to insist repeatedly on calling an unmarried woman a Miss. or a married one Mrs. yet she insisted on Ms. they would be, sorry about the pun, crucified. And that my friend is the difference between smart and stupid. It's not semantics at all, unless you're looking for an argument. You were equating someone saying "Merry Christmas" as equivalent to being in the Klan. I'm an atheist and I even disagree. By your own example, then, a union rep would not be able to: 1) Go to church (might offend the atheists) 2) Eat bacon and eggs (might offend the vegans) 3) Nail his wife (might offend the virgins in the crowd) and on and on and on. What a union rep does at work in his duties is of my concern, but on his or her own time is not, so long as he/she are not doing anything illegal. Public figure or not, he is entitled to the same freedoms as any other citizen. Part of that freedom is the freedom of religion. What "normal" people do is look at face value at what the "message" is. People don't usually complain so much about "Merry Christmas" as they do about their faith being "excluded" (ie. "Why isn't there a menorah in front of Town Hall?"). What "normal" people do is understand that ther person is extending warm wishes. Which is just about universal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 NOPE WRONG. A union rep is suppose to go BEYOND the call of duty. Why do you think Buzz thinks he should be Prime Minister. If a rep was caught pulling a sheet over thier heads with two holes in it as a joke, while off duty, it would be the end for them, dont you think? MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS FOXRUNISANIDIOT MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS The troll is back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Was that one of those subliminal messages, Charly? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanAm Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Sorry if I took you the wrong way. After 9/11, when the USA needed our condolences and support, all they got form our government was a slap in the face. That may be why they are giving us a hard time now. Apology accepted. Thank you As for the post that seems to have incited a little bit of heated debate. The post was entirety based on Tucker and softwood. Nothing else! I use to watch Crossfire now & then and was always amazed by Tuckers views. He was/is young but thinks he’s a wise old man. Nothing new – kids thinking they know it all .. know I thought I did….Wonder if he’s even been around the block? LOL And softwood. As Charly said. If you have rules/mechanisms in place for trade then you really should follow them? The duties have come off but I think there is still the question of $5 billion in collected duties? Debate is good on any topic but it seems some people get all worked up and hot under the collar and post away! We all need to be a little more rational and polite and don’t wear your brain …err heart on a public webpage. .. "Dang I sound like wise old Tucker" … just kidding!!! That said, bad call on my part posting that newsipp - and I post in respect to it no more!! BACK ON TOPIC 8 hours in Trim today All’s quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 It's not semantics at all, unless you're looking for an argument. You were equating someone saying "Merry Christmas" as equivalent to being in the Klan. I'm an atheist and I even disagree. By your own example, then, a union rep would not be able to: 1) Go to church (might offend the atheists) 2) Eat bacon and eggs (might offend the vegans) 3) Nail his wife (might offend the virgins in the crowd) and on and on and on. What a union rep does at work in his duties is of my concern, but on his or her own time is not, so long as he/she are not doing anything illegal. Public figure or not, he is entitled to the same freedoms as any other citizen. Part of that freedom is the freedom of religion. What "normal" people do is look at face value at what the "message" is. People don't usually complain so much about "Merry Christmas" as they do about their faith being "excluded" (ie. "Why isn't there a menorah in front of Town Hall?"). What "normal" people do is understand that ther person is extending warm wishes. Which is just about universal. It is a unionist liberal left endorcement. No one said one cannot exercise religious freedom, it is a matter of how they greet others of other religions. how much municipal, provincial, and federal tax money goes to recognize the christmas holiday and then how much for islam, hindu, and all the others of the most diverse region of the world (GTA). It is a small measure in the conduct of behavior toward bridging the most diverse region. Once again it is not my endorcement, but the endorcement of your political affiliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) What "normal" people do is understand that ther person is extending warm wishes. Which is just about universal. Universal, go to the gaza strip and say merry christ mas the the first Palistinian you see. Indonesia, Malaysia, southern Philapines, a good part of Africa, oh ya and that little region that the auto industries jobs rely on MOST OF THE MIDDLE EAST. In these regions merry christ mas has serious politically charged connotations Universal? for a union rep you sure do have a eurocentric view of the world. Edited December 22, 2005 by foxrun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 It is a unionist liberal left endorcement. No one said one cannot exercise religious freedom, it is a matter of how they greet others of other religions. how much municipal, provincial, and federal tax money goes to recognize the christmas holiday and then how much for islam, hindu, and all the others of the most diverse region of the world (GTA). It is a small measure in the conduct of behavior toward bridging the most diverse region. Once again it is not my endorcement, but the endorcement of your political affiliation. Look Mrs Foxrun, these are words on a screen. I believe in what I choose...sometimes it changes a few times a day. I am an elected rep and NO ONE has ever told me how to greet someone at Christmas. I do my best to not offend any rational person I meet, I do make exceptions whenever I meet a blowhard that keeps showing up for a battle of wits only half prepared. Soooooooooo go away troll----I am done with you.... Yawn Was that one of those subliminal messages, Charly? :lol: Maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 What "normal" people do is understand that ther person is extending warm wishes. Which is just about universal. Universal, go to the gaza strip and say merry christ mas the the first Palistinian you see. Indonesia, Malaysia, southern Philapines, a good part of Africa, oh ya and that little region that the auto industries jobs rely on ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST. In these regions merry christ mas has serious politically charged connotations Universal? for a union rep you sure do have a eurocentric view of the world. I think if you were in the Middle East and you were in Israel it would be OK to say Merry Chrristmas. (not "all of the Middle East") Why are there no Christians in the Middle East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Look Mrs Foxrun, these are words on a screen.I believe in what I choose...sometimes it changes a few times a day. I am an elected rep and NO ONE has ever told me how to greet someone at Christmas. I do my best to not offend any rational person I meet, I do make exceptions whenever I meet a blowhard that keeps showing up for a battle of wits only half prepared. Soooooooooo go away troll----I am done with you.... Yawn Maybe.... WOW I'm hurt you feel that way, I really thought you and I could go out for a beer but now Im just not so sure. Battle of wits? half perpared? your best point was name calling. And----I thought you were done before.... Ill get you again because your simply too reactionary not to reply. Like a child that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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