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    Black Label Lincoln Nautilus on order
  1. Here's a source on what Akirby was talking about. Yes, at least in the Nautilus, two different 8 speeds. One, a version of the GM joint-venture 9-speed with a gear removed and the other a revised up-geared version of Ford's tried and true 6-speed one found in past Lincoln MKXs. I believe the former gets paired with the 2.0s and the latter (better able to handle the extra torque and power) with 2.7s. http://www.autonews.com/article/20180423/OEM01/180429934/ford-gm-9-speed-transmission?fbclid=IwAR0STZGsf9QRXlwQ1bINecgSbNo04bmJSoFltXY82J-RJeCwOAmnR2omWuU
  2. Poke, I'm with you. I just put in an order yesterday for a BL Nautilus (Chrona Copper, Thoroughbred theme), which is mid-cycle and lacks many of the refined touches the new Aviator will have. But the Aviator is just too big (and has one row too many) for us these days. I'll probably be in a mood to trade up in a few years, however, when they redesign the Naut. Until then, here's hoping I don't suffer from too much Aviator envy...
  3. Gurgeh

    October 2018 Sales

    Yes, East West Lincoln. And to Assimilator's point, I don't believe that up until now Lincoln dealers were required to be stand-alone to qualify for being a Black Label dealer, but it was generally more challenging to do so if combined with a Ford dealer. The reason is that Lincoln required the dealer to make a substantial payment -- around $100,000 I think -- as well as creating a Black Label-specific lounge, something that is typically hard to do in a combined dealership where very little space is dedicated to Lincoln, much less having enough room to create the BL lounge. If you sell enough Lincolns you can easily recoup the initial investment because Black Labels are such high-profit products. But if you don't, it isn't really worth your while. The change to allowing Black Label certification only for stand-alones involves two things. First, Lincoln wants Black Label clients to have a real luxury car-buying experience and you don't tend to get that with salesmen who mostly sell F-150s and Explorers (as good as those are) and don't tend to know the Lincoln products as well. Second, Lincoln wants to create more incentive for combined dealerships to split off their Lincoln line and create a dedicated Lincoln dealership. If a dealer is doing that creating the BL lounge is pretty easy. At least, that is how I understand it.
  4. Gurgeh

    October 2018 Sales

    I was talking to the owner of a local Black Label stand-alone Lincoln dealership (the only stand-alone in the DC metro area) and he is thrilled with Lincoln's new policy of requiring a dealership to be stand-alone to be Black Label certified (existing combined BL dealers are grandfathered). He said he is making tons from selling BL Navigators -- the only configuration he orders now.
  5. The funny thing is, to the extent that EVs finally break through in the next couple of years that will, due to supply and demand, probably have two affects: 1) lower oil prices as demand drops and 2) higher electricity costs as EVs add demand on our our electric grid.
  6. Gurgeh

    October 2018 Sales

    Thanks, Assimilator for the link. Lots of stuff to think about in this. It is generally unsurprising as it continues a trend. On Lincoln, I think you are right. We should have a better sense of things over the course of the next 12 months. The refreshed/rebranded Nautilus should help take MKX/Naut sales back up to where they used to be, if not higher, as some of the 'X drop off has probably been due to waiting for the refresh. Still, some former would-be MKX buyers and prospective Nautilus buyers might still be doing some waiting, hoping to become Aviator buyers. Everyone expects great things from the Aviator this spring, with lots of positive press and car-buyer buzz. It could even become Lincoln's second place seller in volume and top seller in profits, at least for a while. MKC sales will likely continue to ease back as the year goes along, with some going for the Nautilus and others waiting for the redesigned/renamed Corsair next fall. If Lincoln sales are still struggling this time next year, with the refreshed/rebranded Nautilus, the all-new Aviator and redesigned/rebranded Corsair having all come out in that time -- all smack-dab in the middle of the hottest-selling segment (compact crossover, and two mid-sized crossovers) -- then yeah it's got some serious problems. On the other hand, if the economy holds up it is very likely we'll see some strong numbers finally coming out of Lincoln.
  7. Reliability is a problem, though. Sure, all redesigns take a year or so to work out kinks, but skip ahead to their last vehicle... https://youtu.be/9fdcIwHKd_s
  8. Gurgeh

    2019 Edge OK to Buy

    Here's an article from the spring going into detail on the new 8-speed transmissions. Yes, that's transmissions with an "s". The one used for the 2.0 turbo in-line 4 base engine is a revised version of the 9-speed from a joint Ford-GM development project,. The second is a new Ford-designed 8-speed based on the old 6-speed (that also has its origins in a joint development project with GM). This one is used with the 2.7 twin turbo V6 (in the Edge ST and the available upgrade engine for the Lincoln Nautilus). Not positive why the different 8-speeds, but the article suggests that the latter better accommodates the greater torque and power from the 2.7. Oh, and by the way, I did test drive the new 8-speed in a 2.7 Nautilus, and it is terrific. From the article: "Ford hasn't revealed fuel economy figures for the first vehicles with the new eight-speed gearboxes, but its engineers believe they can achieve everything GM is getting out of its nine-speed with one less gear. 'The small efficiency benefit did not justify the added weight and cost of an extra clutch and gear,' Ford spokesman Mike Levine said." And: "But the transmission switch also is about performance, at a time when Ford is creating a broad portfolio of sportier and high-horsepower vehicles. By adapting the six-speed from the 2002 GM alliance, Ford hopes to get more torque and power." http://www.autonews.com/article/20180423/OEM01/180429934/ford-gm-9-speed-transmission?fbclid=IwAR3zoCGMMRhtVXdl_fLcLvcUIxvuCvgNzc3fTtfAdmgNpVI1AQKfWCtkxzk
  9. 1984Poke, the funny thing is that when I was shopping for the Q5 I had narrowed my search down to either the MKC or Q5. I went with the Q5 because the small cooler (holding fruit, snacks, iced tea and such) my wife and I use when on road trips didn't fit on the floor of the back seat. Just not *quite* enough leg room in back, even though we wanted it for the cooler, not any (very) occasional back seat passengers!
  10. Can't speak for jpd80, but within a couple of years we'll likey be in a recession. Ford, of course, can't just plan for the next quarter or next year, but has to plan through the business cycle. They are making a bet, and I think it is a decent bet for now (if there's a recession and overall vehicle demand drops, they ironically will have the excess capacity to do more with sedans if suddenly the car market revives), but not one without risk.
  11. Gurgeh

    Is Ford in trouble?

    I agree that they totally screwed up on the announcement, being very clear on what they would not be doing and nebulous on what they would be doing. But I don't think they could have been cagey about it or wait much longer with the announcement. As I understand it, Ford was at the decision point on redesigns and were getting lots of questions from suppliers about what's up. A decision to stop all car redesigns and accelerate CUV/SUV/truck development couldn't have been kept quiet, which would have produced even worse uncertainty and speculation in the press than the ham-handed announcement produced.
  12. I've had sunroofs on all my vehicles for the last 20 years. They really brighten up and open up the interior and I like to open them when the weather permits (though my wife doesn't like it so much -- hair thing I guess). It is part for the ventilation, part for the feeling of connectedness with the outdoors (hard to explain). The sunroof that most annoyed me was the one I had on my VW CC, as it was a solid pane of glass and wouldn't open. I vowed never to go that route again.
  13. I have a Black Label Nautilus on order, but back when I was still cross-shopping I was looking at, among others, the Jaguar F-Pace (and at one point actually had an order in for its JLR cousin, the Range Rover Velar). Each are wonderful crossovers in their own way -- F-Pace is very sporty, Velar has more of a comfort ride along with serious off-road capabilities. But these cars have a well-earned reputation for excessive defects and poor reliability, especially with electronics and different elements of the infotainment system. So on an F-Pace forum I ran across this. It is a standard letter that the forum suggests all buyers send to their dealers in advance of their factory-ordered F-Pace's arrival. Now *there's* a vehicle that has lots of issues (in the end it is why I canceled my Velar order). https://www.fpaceforum.com/forum/jaguar-f-pace-general-discussion-forum/27458-owner-pre-delivery-letter.html
  14. I'm not sure other automakers get it either. My Q5 has been in the dealer's service bay for four days now (and it won't be ready for pick up for another three) for a rattling sunroof. This is the fourth time in two months. The first time they cleaned and lubricated the track. That fixed it for two hours. The second time, they cleaned and lubricated the track then glued on a couple of pieces of felt on the track. That fixed the rattle for two days. Third time they cleaned and lubricated the track and tried to adjust how the glass sat in the track. That fixed the rattle for two days, but as with all the others, it came back. This fourth time they are finally replacing the track. Seems they had to go through the cleaning and lubricating three times (the first was a reasonable try, though) before Audi would authorize the expensive job under warranty of actually replacing the faulty part. I should be more annoyed than I am but at this point all I really care about is getting the vehicle in good shape to sell for the arrival of the Nautilus I'm ordering.
  15. Regarding Aviator and Corsair, last week I had a long chat with the owner of a Lincoln-only Black Label dealership. Because of the quirks of his type of dealership his product sales might not be typical (for instance, the MKC is currently Lincoln's top seller volume-wise, but for this dealership it is Navigators, almost all Black Labels). But he said he expects the Aviator, for him, to outsell the Navigator 4x. And if Lincoln (and Ford) do a good job with the Corsair (and Escape) redisign I expect they will do well as it is a hot segment -- and as I mentioned earlier, the MKC has now surpassed the MKX (maybe in part due to folks waiting for the Nautilus refresh) as Lincoln's top seller.