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16 hours ago, Amyz said:
Well, personally I liked the ride of the Aviator over the MB GLE…in addition, you’re lucky if you don’t have the mold issue in your AC, as it isn’t pleasant!!
(by the way, we do have a third row in the GLE- for little kids)
Good luck with your third Aviator…
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If you don’t need the third row, the GLE is a far better vehicle in so many ways. I replaced my rattletrap Aviator with a factory order GLE 450, well equipped, that took two months less to receive than the Aviator, even in these times!
Features, build quality and fit and finish are no comparison. The lift gate softly clicks into place, not clunks loudly into place. Foot activation works every time. Every stalk, button and switch just feels high quality. Super configurable dash, lane centering you don’t need to fight with and ambient light you can actually see. Not to mention better fuel mileage.
Aviator still the better looking vehicle from the outside, though, hands down.
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My 2020 driver side rear door stopped opening recently from either button (inside or outside), door fault message, car thinks the door is ajar, vehicle no longer locks, rear emergency braking inoperative, blown electric door latch fuse. Just another of a long list of random electrical issues. At least it has been starting consistently.
Forscan reports an error with Door Control Module G.
But without any sort of manual release, I’m sure the technicians would literally butcher the interior trying to get inside the door panel without being able to open the door. I think I’ll just live with it - I am waiting on a factory order from a competing luxury brand - so in a couple months the saga will be over!
6 Lincolns - 4 brand new, 3 of those factory orders and 2 pre-owned, all top of the line since 2013 and this one is the last. And I was SO excited for the Aviator, more so than I was for the redesigned MKX back in 2015. But after the six month (and three day) wait, it’s been nothing but a disappointment in terms of build quality, squeaks and rattles, electrical issues, etc and I only have 5,500 miles on it! -
21 minutes ago, AUPilot08 said:
I have an update... So, the dealership took a look at the vehicle and determined there was a wheel alignment issue and fixed that. But when the alignment was fixed it didn't also fix my lane centering issue. After a bit more troubleshooting and driving around we determined that the issue was me... I'm left handed.
The lane centering system applies torque to the steering wheel as a way to make sure your hand is always on it. This torque makes the steering wheel turn to the left. This is fine when you're a right handed driver because the weight of your hand counters the torque. When your a left handed driver the pressure from your left hand essentially makes the vehicle always go to the left.
Basically I changed driving hands and the problem was solved.
Huh. Maybe that’s my issue as well.... I’m a lefty too (not politically though) so I’ll have to test the theory.
hey, at least they gave ‘us’ the voice command button!
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FWIW I’ve only put a thousand miles on my top-line (September 2019 build) Aviator I picked up in January (after a 6 month + 3 day wait!) and after I took the passenger seat apart myself to address a rattle, I am now hearing more interior squeaks and rattles from all over (Not the seat now FTW) which join all the other build quality wonkiness. Could be worse, as others have experienced major electrical and mechanical Issues but I am seriously glad I took out only a 24 month lease this time. Even though this thing was a bargain at only $90K compared to other similar vehicles in its class, I’m disappointed they just can’t seem to pull off a quality built vehicle.
I’m not ragging on Chicago as I have an MKS with over 125,000 miles that has been excellent. But 3 previous Oakville MKXs have all had their annoyances. Oddly my old MKZ (Mexican built) was still going strong with 227,000 miles when I traded it for the S.
Maybe my expectations are too high, but I may jump to GV80, X5 or GLE sooner than later. Just disappointed.
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1 hour ago, AUPilot08 said:
So, after a 314 day wait I finally took delivery of my Black Label Aviator Grand Touring this morning. Inspected it from top to bottom before taking the keys and everything looked great; however, after taking it for a couple of spins to get more familiar with the vehicle, I'm beginning to wonder if the lane keeping and lane centering functions are not working properly. For instance, this afternoon I did two 30 min drives in different directions from where I live to experience different types of driving conditions. Both times, when I would initially engage the lane keep/center system the vehicle would lurch to the left and the driver side tires would essentially be on the white/yellow line, then, after a few seconds it seems like it would start working and move its way back over to the middle. After a few minutes of being in the middle it would work its way back over to the driver side lane lines and just sit there or go past them and then the system would throw up a "canceled" message telling me to take the wheel. This behavior never happened to the right - so it wasn't ping ponging between the lines, it would either stay centered or it would go to the left. All that make sense? Anyone have any similar experiences?
Literally everything else about the car is perfect!
Thanks for the help.
Mine (gas version) seems to want to overly hug the centreline with the lane centering and I find myself fighting against it. Regular lane keep is unobtrusive though. I figure the camera needs to be calibrated or something like that.
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On 3/8/2020 at 8:03 PM, rampagex7 said:
No actually, I'm not oversimplifying the hydro cost at all. My JuiceBox charger has built in software and app that constantly monitors the charging voltage and current tot he vehicle and calculates the EXACT amount of Kwh used (including losses based on actual EVSE efficiency). The JuiceNet app and software also gives you consumption charts, historical usage graphs, etc. to track your hydro consumption and it will track multiple vehicles using the same charger to keep track of the hydro usage separately per vehicle. Plus I programmed charger software so that it will ONLY charge the vehicle during off-peak hours (from 7pm-7am) so that the hydro rate is cheaper @ $0.10/Kwh (not including Ontario 8% provinical rebate on your bill).
I don't think it's appropriate to include the upfront cost of the charger in the ongoing hydro consumption calculations because that's technically an addition/appliance to my home (like buying a stove or fridge).
I also have a 2019 Fusion Energi PHEV as a company car at work and I will admit the efficiency is phenomenal. To date we've clocked about 7800km on the car and are only on our 5th tank of gas. Our total amount of gas put in to date 209L, total hydro usage 668Kwh and total combined cost of both gas and hydro is about $330.
My point was that 10.1 cents is not an accurate unit price as it doesn’t include the astronomical delivery charge we have to pay. Sorry if I insulted you in some way.
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On 3/6/2020 at 8:53 PM, rampagex7 said:
After just over a month, I finally got down to about 1/4 tank of gas and decided to fill up my Aviator GT. Mine came with a starting odometer of 53km (33mi) when I picked it up and I was at 1159km (720mi) when filling up.
Here's how the mileage numbers worked out:
- Distance traveled 1106km (687mi)
- Total electric range traveled (as per Trip 1 on info display) 735.9 km (457mi)
- Amount of gas put in at fill up: 54L (14.2 gal)
- Fuel economy 4.89L/100km (48mpg)
- Total cumulative energy used to date for charging (according to my JuiceBox charger app) 356Kwh
- Gas cost $55 (@ $0.98/L) Hydro cost $35.60 (@ Off peak rate $0.10/Kwh)
- Total combined cost $90.60
I was doing about 70% city and 30% highway driving and trying to use EV mode as much as possible. Overall not as good as I was hoping but we had a quite a few cold snaps during February in Toronto so engine came on quite often (even in EV mode) and during remote starts to warm up so I'm sure that didn't help.
Still beats the hell out of my previous 2017 MKX which could barely get 450km on a full 72L tank in city driving.
I think you may be oversimplifying your electricity cost. Have you attempted to calculate a ‘blended’ rate after factoring in delivery, taxes, etc? I have a gas Aviator but am considering replacing my MKS EcoBoost with a Fusion Energi or other plug-in and one of these days I’m going to input a year or so of hydro invoices to generate an actual unit cost for electricity to see if it makes financial sense to go in that direction. At least most of our electricity is generated without the use of fossil fuels here in Ontario.
Plus, the cost of the charger and electrician cost (and ESA permit fee) must also be factored in.
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6 hours ago, mustangchief said:
I have a GT and it goes into all electric at stops and sometimes just cruising. Very odd watching the tach go to zero and still hustle down the road. So glad I held out to get a GT, it does have many relays clicking and every time I pass by, it thinks it is the chosen chariot. (PAAK) I'm putting miles on to get it broke in and any anomalies worked out. When I start driving my beater again, I will have to disable PAAK. I find if you set the stereo on 8, you can't hear anything but great music. ?
Glad to hear you’re happy with the GT. I just have the gas version, but am looking forward to whatever improvements they might make to the GT before my 2 years is up.
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I think I’ve asked this before somewhere but don’t recall the answer. With PaaK activated, you simply have to have the phone on you for it to work with the vehicle, right? As in, you don’t need to unlock the phone and start the app.
yes or no?
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On 2/21/2020 at 9:41 AM, Deafsoundguy said:
Oops!!! Was thinking Nautilus... that's how it works in our Nautilus. The second it doesn't see the lane in ACC it dings and goes from green to yellow and back to green when it sees the line again. I guess they don't work the same. But it does ding (I think) if you take your hand off the wheel for a time, I know you get the display message anyway...
Correction with apology. I took mine out for a drive today and it does in fact ding when it unilaterally cancels lane centring thinking you have taken your hands off the wheel for too long.
And it may be that mine is defective somehow but I find the lane centring wants to keep the vehicle too close to the centreline of the roadway for my liking. I.e. not quite the centre of the lane. No issues with lane keep assist, however.
Mine is rarely driven (nearly two months old and less than 500 miles, 50 of which were put on at the factory/pdi) but I’m quite pleased with it. There is an annoying rattle in the passenger seat head rest area which rings like a loose washer on a bolt (if anyone knows a source of an exploded view of the 30-ways please advise) but aside from that it’s great. Well, unless you factor in that it forgot my radio presets after the last time I drove it for some reason.
With the dust and grit of a snow belt winter the fake exhaust outlets are very noticeable and kind of cheesy, although not in an Audi sort of way.
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22 hours ago, MKX1960 said:
I've noticed a ding in some of the Aviator and Explorer videos for what seems to be no apparent reason. My Edge ST and the Raptor I previously had both made a clunking sound when I was close to them. It comes from somewhere to the rear of the vehicle. made no difference if I had the fob or not.
Way more noise on the Aviator than any vehicle I’ve ever owned when off or when you open the drivers door after it’s been sitting. Clicking, buzzing, whirring, etc. It’s normal.
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^ It makes sense for it to make a sound but I don’t think it does. I could be wrong as I’m normally rocking out to the sound system!
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8 hours ago, Deafsoundguy said:
You get a ding when the camera can't make out the street lines well enough and it can't lane keep properly. The display shows the steering wheel icon go from green to yellow and then back again when it sees a good enough line to start lane keeping again. Probably a total liability thing for those who think they can have tea and crumpets while driving down the road.
I've heard rumor too, that you hear a ding every time an angel gets his wings.... ?
Not sure what Aviator you are driving but no. No ding as you say and the orange/red steering wheel icon is for ACC in the HUD when it senses your hand is off the wheel. The lane keep lines just go grey.
As for power train noise, yes I’d agree it’s growlier (not a word but you get the point) than most would expect in this class but it’s normal. IMHO it’s kind of a Lincoln trait. My ‘13 MKX 3.7, both ‘16 MKX 2.7Ts I’ve had as well as my current Aviator and MKS turbos. My better half calls the MKS the ‘angry coffeemaker’ in the way it sounds.
LOTS of strange noises when it’s off. Nearly gave me a heart attack when I was walking by it taking out the recycling after it had been sitting for a while. Buzzing and clicking, etc. all normal.
I wonder if your random ding is due to you inadvertently hitting your knee on the door latch button. Is that possible?
Post above is correct regarding the auto start stop. You likely have Auto Hold turned on in the main menu. When activated you have to hit the gas for it to turn back on. I like it! Also correct above re the ‘hand on wheel message’. It isn’t supposed to come on during regular driving - just when using radar cruise.
hope this helps.
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I’m waiting for the part (dealer said about a month) but I’ve found that when mine starts to increase the temperature I can hit My Temp and it will stop, but the panel will stop responding for a while. Selecting My Temp in the Climate menu puts it back to my desired temp.
Still annoying but workable until the part comes in.
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Replaced my super-reliable ‘old’ 2011 MKZ commuter car (Traded right at 360,000 km / 224,000 miles) with a 2013 MKS EcoBoost, fully loaded but high mileage. I had been looking for one for a while but they are quite rare I found.
Car is in amazing shape for its age and mileage - clearly very well kept. The FCIM has the common problem and a new one is on order. Dealership replaced the BCM due to some fault codes (although Forscan shows some new ones as well as some DTCs related to the DDM and some overvoltage error somewhere else) but the one perplexing issue is with the lane keep. The menus show it as active but the button doesn’t do anything. Forscan showed it as disabled and when I tried to reactivate there was an error. Does anyone know if LKA is in any way controlled through the FCIM? Any ideas?
The other question/comment I have is related to the engine note from inside the cabin. Tooling around town the engine is nice and quiet. When you bring up the revs I find the engine sounds coarse and somewhat unrefined. Is that common with the MKS EB and/or SHO?
Regardless, I now own 765 Chicago-built Lincoln horsepower between the MKS and my Aviator. Since 2013, I’ve had an ‘11 MKZ, ‘13 MKX, ‘16 MKX (early build), ‘16 MKX (late build), ‘20 Aviator and ‘13 MKS. In case you’re wondering, I’m 40.
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2 hours ago, twintornados said:
The dealer will charge the shipping company for the repairs to the scratches. The vehicle should have been put through the detailing process again with instructions to get it right this time. Ditto on the congrats though...enjoy your new ride.
Thanks. I didn’t even bother having them re-do the PDI. This is my fifth Lincoln purchase from this dealer in six years and I can honestly say their PDI people are completely out to lunch.
extremely laid back and great to deal with but not great at the attention to detail. It’s a rural dealership that just doesn’t get the Lincoln customer I think.
I would still recommend the Aviator hands down. Fully loaded it’s a fantastic bargain compared to its rivals in the luxury space.-
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On 1/2/2020 at 8:02 AM, cyberdman said:
I think you missed the sticky where the last day of tracking for 2019 was 12/16.
In any case, I hope you are finally happy and have your vehicle as it was delivered to your dealership on 12/28!
Delivered - Final Delivered (Mcl Mcgill Carriers Ltd ) CB1192 - Revell Motor Sales Ltd. Verona, ON Dec-28-2019, 23:59 ET.
Yes, I did miss the sticky about the deadline. No worries though and I sure do appreciate your help. It was a LONG six months and three days!
I love the vehicle but was less than impressed with the poor PDI on mine. A number of small scratches/marks on the exterior paint and plastic cladding. Drivers door card and sill marked and scratched, presumably due to the work boot-wearing transportation people. And what the heck is with all the prints/smudges on the headliner? WHO is touching it? Every Lincoln (all special orders) I’ve had has required some cleaning of the light headliner.
All that said, the vehicle itself is a great upgrade from the MKX I had previously, especially since it has a distinct rear drive feel that I love.
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3 hours ago, prodigy07 said:
Similar issue here. For those of us that are still waiting. We need to stop playing ourselves. These dates are just placeholders because they keep changing. Mine had an original shipment date of 12/9. Mind you, I'm IN CHICAGO and my dealer is only 1hr away from the plant where it was built. Of course, I'm thinking at the very latest, I should have it by 12/12-12/13. Apparently the 18 wheeler that was delivering my truck "broke down" and they needed to send out a replacement truck. For whatever reason, it takes 2wks for them to find another truck to pick mine up because my end date has changed from 12/17 to 12/22. LMFAOOOOOO!!!!! This is all a joke. These dates are placeholders and are honestly just automated. I ordered 5+ months ago. I'd be surprised if at this point my truck was actually even built. I'm not believing anyone or anything until I'm actually DRIVING OFF THE LOT! #Period
Similar situation here. My original ETA was October 13. Never shipped until recently. New ETA January 5. That’s 6 months and 1 week but like you I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Mr. Cyber, I believe there has been some movement on 5LM5J7XC5LGL12251 . Can you confirm?
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I haven’t got anything constructive to offer but to say I feel your pain. I ordered mine on June 28 and it was built September 20. Until earlier this week the status showed Origin Received; In Production, and now it has changed from Released; Awaiting Shipment to Received; Awaiting Shipment. Lincoln told me the looooong delay was due to the rear seat recall, but the recall still in outstanding according to the Lincoln website. Clearly a lie.
All of this to say, try to manage your frustration as best you can. And also realize that your dealer is likely just as frustrated as you are.
I’m just trying to stay positive that mine will be worth the wait quality-wise!!
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1 hour ago, mustangchief said:
Sorry Cyber, don't mean to jump in but wanted to answer "whatever the heck vehi ship is" They are one of the transports and storage company, you can call them at 888-328-3986 and see if they will tell you the status of your Aviator. They held my 50 year Limited Mustang for 38 days after Ford gave it to them.
I believe my dealer called them shortly after the ETA date passed. The status usually changes to Released; Awaiting shipment, but mine never did.
The other thing that makes me suspicious about the ‘released from flat rock’ update I was given is that the seat recall is still shown as incomplete. The seat recall is the excuse the original Lincoln client rep assigned to my file used for the delay - she told me they were going to send my Aviator “back through the factory”.
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I don’t believe so, but I’m not sure what’s worse.... destroyed by derailment or sent to the Michigan plant to be ‘re-worked’.
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9 minutes ago, cyberdman said:
Unfortunately you are correct. It still sits...
The last official Ford update is the one from 09/21...
In Production - Origin Received - (Vehi-ship Llc ) Ramp 06, Chicago Asy, IL Sep-21-2019, 00:22 CT.
Unless they have some contact in whatever the heck Vehi-ship Llc is?
Thanks. And yes, I found it odd that the dealer told me (freely) that it was in Michigan but I think all the vehicles would have their status change if they were ‘sent offsite’. Like waaaay off-site. Anyway, it is what it is...
What does it mean when a competing brand offers to get you out of lease early into one of their vehicles?
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Not exactly the same situation as you are describing, but I made out like a bandit in late June when my GLE came in early. I was 1.5 years into a two year lease on my 2020 Aviator (good riddance) and the selling dealer took it off my hands AND cut me a cheque for thousands. Now, it was in showroom condition with only 6,500 miles, but still.
I mention this to you because the Mercedes dealer, despite also wanting the Aviator desperately for their used lot, could not get the Lincoln dealer to answer the phone to coordinate the payout/transfer. Apparently they have the right of first refusal.
If they are trying to get your current vehicle for their pre-owned lot, it may be easier said than done.