mustangchief

" You joined BOV 3 days ago and just rained a tribe of useless barbs on a forum of the biggest fans of Ford/Lincoln, not to mention employees past and present here. Ford tried to do something others would not contemplate in a complete makeover of a massive plant in a month. Instead of looking at what went right, you are focused on what went wrong. If your post was the single driving factor of a person deciding what vehicle to buy, people would never buy a new or used Ford product. Thankfully, Ford/Lincoln customers are mostly Blue Collar or from the Blue Collar realm and pretty damn smart. They understand life is not perfect and when life deals you a lemon, you make lemonade. You do not cut the tree down and smirk at how you won't get another lemon. There are many highly satisfied Lincoln customers with Aviators and other Lincolns. You won't have a chance to enjoy a truly great vehicle because you like the other five threw a fit and canceled because you did not get it on your terms. This thread was started by me with the sole intent of following my order through the process with my friends on this forum, I did not post it on Audi or BMW forums even though I own one of each and my daily driver is a BMW. When I need to tow/haul/travel I use a Ford F-150, when I feel sporty I get my Mustang or Challenger out. If I had to give up four of my cars today, I would be driving the F-150. When I get the Aviator, it will be the Aviator. I spent a three day weekend with one and put on hundreds of miles. When you get seat time, if you trust it enough to try, you will see Lincoln blew away the Europeans IMO. A short jaunt around a dealer area doesn't count. I think my Audi is superb around the house, but I took it on a 600 mile trip and will never again do that. These are my opinions and just that, my opinions. In your other replies you mentioned your "professional hat" and that it somehow qualifies your comments. I wore a blue collar hat and then a professional hat until my retirement at 48. My specialty was production/manufacturing. My latter years was at the top overseeing product cradle to grave lifecycles of aircraft. I spent time in classes with automotive production managers. Your comment about the "Max and Lightning" kind of pisses me off, but I let it go because you obviously have arm chair manufacturing experience. They were not my projects and many of the mistakes made at Boeing were due to greed and though I'm sad to see them go through this process they brought it on themselves. The Lightning, where I am intimately familiar with the company is more of a corporate salesman promising what engineers said was possible before T&E. It is an extremely capable aircraft and will be for decades to come. All that said, manufacturing is about CPI (Continuous Process Improvement) Ford tried something, and though I don't know specifics, they are bench marking what worked and improving what didn't. As you said AI and BEVs are on the horizon, they guy who can win the day on factory changeover speed will win the market. Ford is not about to spill the beans to dealers or consumers on what went right and what went wrong, these are corporate secrets they will use in the near future to improve. Ford has innovated since the Model T and I think they are on the brink of the next big thing.

Who promised? Lincoln did not. They (Lincoln) sent me a package in September, and it said winter of 2020, not 2019. The dealer did not lose 5 special orders, he gained 5 retail assets that he will sell sure as the sun comes up. Finally, if you cancelled your order why are you still on the Aviator forums, some of us still believe in Ford and their employees, your sour grapes add zip to the conversation.

Me too, My Dad raced Fords in the late 50s and 60s, the reason we always owned fords was because repair parts were easy to come by and cheap.

Uh, my Q5 is far from perfect, it has more wind noise than my F-150 and is no where as comfortable on long trips. It has been back to the dealer for an installation error in the wheel well and a stereo that kept dumping my iPhone connection. Ford never once told me to change my brake fluid every 10000 miles or 2 years. I have less than 10K miles in 27 months and nearly $300 in service costs. It is a nice local car and we are keeping it as such, but gimme a break on how great it is. Yes, Audi does call every 6 months to ask how things are going and suggest expensive service...

Nothing going on now is normal. Maybe they will run them down the line and call them 2021 models. The folks I know who know, are very tight lipped right now, which just means they were threatened with their jobs. It also means slackers know they are safe because they won't fire anyone. Best place to find out right now is hang out around the bars and buy lots of rounds...

Any update on yours? Mine is Frozen in time.

I only have heard of two being delivered. My November production date only slid 3 weeks to Dec 5th.

No Change

So glad your decided to buy the awesome Expedition Platinum and post it on my thread about my GT order.

There has been no blown start, just folks who don't understand new product roll outs. You can run over to GM and pick up a new C8 Vette, oops they are being held for retrofit of updated parts, Guess Chevy blew the start of the new awesome Vette.

I still haven't seen any invoice or ship out. Should be getting the 2021 order guides soon. It will be an interesting January.

I would hope these haven't been held back to move the tax credits to 2020

Sorry to hear you still have water issues, ask the dealer politely to exchange it for a new one. If they balk or refuse, have an attorney write a polite demand letter to the dealer and Lincoln stating the roof leak was not fixed and you are worried the water intrusion will harm your health via mold/mildew and that you feel unsafe not knowing what electronic devices were effected and you feel your safety is compromised. The Lemon Law in Fl gives them three chances to fix the same problem, they also have to have it fixed using a total of no more than thirty days. Writing the letter now and sending it by certified mail (this is a must) lets them know you are serious and not just pee'd off. A good consumer Lawyer is worth every penny of a consult if your car is in the shop more than 30 days in the first year. Being water intrusion, you may want to talk to your insurance agent, they may send a specialist to look at it, after all they don't want to insure a lemon or have a payout if it causes an accident.

A few dozen reaching customers have had serious issues. The Aviator is not uniquely terrible, there were some growing pains sure, but the Aviator is easily the best SUV I've driven in my life.

There is no way you can no how many were produced ahead of you without internal production documents you can't see. You can only figure out what day yours was built. If you know someone in the Glass House nerd herd, they can tell you.

No. The VIN Serial number is essentially the number it was assigned at the time the order was processed and assigned a VIN. All it means was 24824 were processed for production before you. The closest date to build sequence is the blend date. You can find that on your sticker. Cars/Trucks are built by commodity availability and blending difficulty, not number sequence.

None of the produced GTs have shipped yet. Only ones in the wild are the pre production and production samples. I received a welcome package a few months ago and it said early 2020 for the release, there is a picture somewhere in one of my posts, but everyone jumped me saying it was going to be late fall. ?

Sorry Cyber, don't mean to jump in but wanted to answer "whatever the heck vehi ship is" They are one of the transports and storage company, you can call them at 888-328-3986 and see if they will tell you the status of your Aviator. They held my 50 year Limited Mustang for 38 days after Ford gave it to them.

There is a weighted calculation to get the hybrid MPG. The electric and/or Hybrid numbers are only estimates, how much of the power consumers like heat and air you use play a large factor.

I haven't ...yet, It is still in production, so it isn't at the shipper. Off Site in production status, is either a detailed QA inspection (which I wouldn't mind) A track test inspection ( a letter will be on the seat to explain the 50 or so extra miles) or it had an issue that needed to be sent to an off site repair area (rare) If it is just an inspection there is hope of getting it by Christmas. It is coming by Convoy, so it will roll in around 4pm if like the other explorer and Aviator deliveries. The even rarer off site is it was selected for crash testing, then I will get a new production date next week.

The official numbers came up on the EPA site today (regular gas) 22 City 23 Combined 25 Highway, 56MPGe, (Hybrid) 30 City/ 34 Highway

Mine followed the same timeline until eta end date instead status changed to "shipped offsite" Maybe it has been selected to be a crash test victim? Glad to see you got an ETA

Most likely due to the MPGe. My son has a new RAV4 Hybrid and it gets 10 MPG better than the non-hybrid. The sticker says 23 combined gas only, so I could see those numbers running in hybrid mode. Driving it like you stole it won't get you those numbers.lol

This is another one of those "fake" media stories. It appears they plagiarized from MT SoY tests. Just a bunch of opiniated sound bites from a pre production model.

Here is my GT sticker for those who stick shop.