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Is this true or just the usual contract rumor bs? What are the union guys saying about it?

VEBA or not? I guess we will find out soon but this does not sound like it. http://www.autonews.com/article/20150906/OEM/309079971?template=mobile

I am wondering if anyone has an alternative idea to what it is being proposed besides the usual vote no, strike or don't change anything? It seems to me the UAW is trying to make the best of a bad situation. Sure after a fight with the union they may agree to the demands but all that will do is accelerate the move to Mexico. Let's not be short sighted here. As far as the retiree VEBA, my dad retired with 42 years, has multiple ailments and has had a few surgeries since he retired and has hardly paid much out of pocket. Yes it was a little bit more than if his health insurance would not have changed but he is happy to have the coverage.

I don't think the issue is saving the Focus for MAP. That ship appears to have sailed. The issue seems to be what will now go into MAP. It is a huge bargaining chip for Ford if the UAW and its members do not want to see another plant mothballed in the U.S.

Yes, it was pretty disappointing to say the least that the UAW was not mentioned as a union that was behind the efforts.

This article shows how labor helped defeat the TPP, at least for the time being so maybe all unions are starting to wake up... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/business/labors-might-seen-in-failure-of-trade-deal-as-unions-allied-to-thwart-it.html?_r=0

Its true that Sterling can be 100% entry level and have shed a lot of employees through transfers to Van Dyke but they just took on more than 100 master wage employees from Romeo that were going to be laid off.

All I can say is that at the plant I work at, the people who got elected as delegates were all in favor of a dues increase. Everyone that voted knew it and they still got elected. The ones who were against it were clear about it as well. However, I did not speak to one person on the floor who was in favor of an increase. Perhaps name recognition played a part as it was all the same names that were in favor. Either way, majority ruled for my plant whether the people liked it or not.

When figuring out the eligible hours for profit sharing, do vacation/personal days and holidays get included or is it strictly hours worked?

Cmon now! You guys cannot really believe this is going to happen? There are alot of conspiracy theories on here that are somewhat plausible but this one is pretty out there. The union is not stupid enough to raise dues AND allow our wages to be brought down. It would be suicidal and a huge percentage would stop paying dues instead of the 15-20% (my opinion) that most likely will anyway. Is this just stirring the pot or do you have anything at all to base this one? Maybe I am a dreamer but I believe that in 2015 a plan will be hashed out to bring entry level up to master wages except maybe at the Sterling and Rawsonville plants.

Cool story bro but I heard $75,000 and a car voucher.

Well that answers my question...lol...

Will MAP go to a 3 shift 8 hour operation or a 2 shift operation?

Not all of rawsonville and sterling are entry level yet. I know sterling isn't even close to all entry level.

I guess that super informative election thread is all we get concerning Romeo.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130204/AUTO01/302040389/1361/UAW--Wages-won%E2%80%99t-rise-without-organizing-foreign-plants

I dont think this true. I know it is in the contract but I thought it had to go through some kind of court process to determine if it is even legal to do this. Am I wrong here?

I think its more like 2000 total production workers between the 2 plants at the moment but not all are entry level right now.

Yea that will show Ford alright. You wanna close the plant in 2014? Well we are gonna stop building cars in 2013. Makes perfect sense to me. lol

Wtf are you talking about?

Bob king really is an idiot. Is he the only one that didn't think his prop was gonna fail? Is he the only one that thought once it did fail there would be no fallout? How many will remove themselves from paying dues to this union? As bad as things are though, I truly believe that things would be worse without the UAW. I hope all the malcontents are not so shortsighted.

Will these posted jobs be all out of zone or will there be some Michigan jobs available too? Kinda hard to believe that with all the buyouts there will be no jobs in zone 1 or 2 opening up...

I guess its a good thing the window is open for trades to go back to production if this is true. You may see alot of guys going back to oroduction rather than going to chitown or other locations.

I can think of 2 reasons why someone would want to do this. 1. A low seniority tradesman may be stuck on an off shift and going back to production may be the only way to get to the shift they want. 2. A low seniority tradesman could be worried about the step in the placement hierarchy that could place them in a location they do not want to be. (That is, if it ever comes to this.)

Hold on there butthole. That still has to go threw the courts to see if that's even legal. If the court rules that it is, then the 10% will be deducted in future profit sharing checks...butthole...