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  1. I kind of agree with you... the volume projection for two sedans is difficult to justify unless one (or both) of them gets a substantial volume boost. But one thing you are forgetting... Ford is likely going to build this pair of sedan in China so volume projection is completely different than the status quo with Flat Rock/Hermosilo production. There may also be no Taurus or Mondeo or neither in China to deal with if Ford goes ahead with 2 Lincoln sedans... there are a lot of variables in play. Ford is probably thinking about Zephyr as more like an Audi A5 or BMW 4 series Grand Coupe kind of car, while Continental will presumably have coach doors and more traditional sedan profile. I wouldn't necessarily describe the difference as simple SWB vs. LWB decision. I mean the current MKZ and Continental are on the same platform but they have very different top hat. But the advantage of using CD6 is that powertrain development costs are all paid for essentially. So electrification is already baked in.
  2. There has been no confirmation where Ford will build Scout. Cuautitlan is an informed speculation based on the fact that Fiesta is ending so timing seems right, plus we suspect Louisville will not have the capacity to make Escape, Corsair and Scout.
  3. Maybe it will be Focus Active just with a different name? The other thing to keep an eye out for is what Ford plans to do in China in the low end market. What does next gen Yusheng S330/Territory look like? Assuming it will be a C2 vehicle, that would seem to fill the entry level product role quite well in the US market. Certainly from a product cadence standpoint Focus/Escape/Scout/Corsair will always be the pricey first wave, and Escort/Territory should follow in a few years with some costs stripped out. Ford let all its product stay around for too long and it is really exposed in China where the normal model cycle is 2-3 years, not 6-7 years. So if Ford is serious about being competitive there, they must already be working on a new Escort and Territory.
  4. It's a bit confusing... JMC is both the abbreviation for Jiangling Motors Corp, and the brand JMC, which is Ford's low cost commercial vehicle brand in China. Jiangling Motors is the company and it sells JMC (pick up trucks and vans), JMC Heavy (Otosan and Isuzu based heavy and medium duty trucks), Yusheng (SUV) and Ford (Everest, Transit, E-series). Jiangling Motors is a JV between Ford and Jiangling. Because JMC is part of Jiangling Motors (not Jiangling), it is considered a Ford brand. Ford includes JMC sales in its Chinese and worldwide sales. The E-series is imported from the US. Jiangling Ford does local upfit to change it to ambulance or armor car. https://www.jmc.com.cn/en
  5. The only confirmed assembly location is Romania... which likely won't be enough to supply the entire world. Until we hear of a 2nd assembly location, US plans are probably a bit unclear.
  6. Ford already told us it will be called Puma EcoSport <--> upcoming A-segment Jeep based on Fiat Panda Puma <--> Renegade Bronco Scout <--> Compass Escape <--> Cherokee Bronco <--> Wrangler Edge <--> Grand Cherokee Edge 7 seat <--> Jeep Grand Comander Explorer <--> upcoming 3 row Grand Cherokee (the Jeep version of Dodge Durango) Expedition <--> upcoming Ram based Grand Wagoneer
  7. I think RWD is foregone conclusion due to CD6. Don't really care for the Zephyr name but I do hope the LWB keeps the Continental badge.
  8. Photo doesn't work but too late for me to edit the post... Click on the article link to see the photos
  9. Corsair blows the Cadillac XT4 out of the water just like Aviator sucked all the air out of the room for lame cold pizza XT6. The divergence path of the two American luxury brand is really fascinating.
  10. Continental Coach doors (available for order in China too): https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/932865.html#pvareaid=102624 Escape ST-Line - features EU/US spec front end: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933333.html#pvareaid=102624 Edge ST-Line: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933327.html#pvareaid=102624 Edge ST: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933331.html#pvareaid=102624 F-150 Limited: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933335.html#pvareaid=102624 JMC Yuhu 9: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933631.html#pvareaid=102624 JMC Yuhu 7EV: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933871.html#pvareaid=102624 Yusheng S350 minor facelift and power bump: https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201904/933795.html#pvareaid=102624
  11. I would totally drive the orange one. I don't care what it is called.
  12. Not sure why Ford is being coy about PHEV. They already filed all the paperwork with NHTSA. It is the same 2.5 PHEV setup as Escape but with AWD (Escape is FWD only)
  13. Toyota is going to sell so many of these, they will laugh all the way to the bank.
  14. There was plenty of demand. LCF failed because the unreliable diesel engine. Isuzu, Toyota (Hino), Daimler (Fuso), Volvo (UD), and Paccar all sell cab forward mediums. GM is also back in the segment thanks to Isuzu. So the only player not in the market right now are FCA, Ford, and Navistar. I imagine Navistar will probably be back once VW is able to exercise more influence over product development and offering.