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There was no irony-it's Toyota. They are all in on hybrids-and look at the EV market stagnating. Toyota as a company is brilliant.

Myself and others on this board have predicted the pricing on new trucks is not sustainable. Not only trucks-either. It turns out those predictions may have had some validity.

I am not particularly a Toyota guy-but Toyota will print money with this redesign......

It is a VERY WIDE SPREAD PROBLEM and appears to have been acknowledged by Ford with at least two or three part updates. I went to the Ford Dealer and their transmission specialist told me they had 50-yes 50 transmissions in line for issues. He knew exactly the symptoms. He knew they either appear in 3,4,5 or the higher gears. He knew that before some had a downshift from 10th to 1st (yes-you read that right) when on the highway. It is not strange at all. You didn't say what year you had-but if you have 2017 through 2020-you have at least two design issues from the factory. The 2024s have the new parts. I understand that this is a Ford board-but I'm not getting in to an debate that there are not issues-because there are. If you do not have the ten speed-you don't have issues. ON EDIT-Posted at approximately 7 p.m. on a Ford Truck site- Hi, I had my 2020 F150 into the dealer at 49,000 miles for rough shifting. The rough shifting happens between 3-5 and occasionally in the higher gear like 7-9. I also notice rough downshifts. They reset the adaptive tables but I’m still noticing the rough shifting. I really notice it driving in manual mode and shifting it from like 6-5 and 5-4. How long does the adaptive tables take to learn before I should take it back. They did find the tsb 23-2250. Thank you end post Those who have had the adaptive shifting relearn states in almost all cases the symptoms return.

I have a 2020 f-150 W/THE 3.5. The ten speed transmission is the worst I have experienced in owning like 40plus vehicles. IT'S THAT BAD....

I would agree a $5,000 .00 discount from MSRP doesn't move the needle on a truck that has gone up $12,000.00 plus.

I believe we have an affordability crisis coming in regards to trucks especially. Of course this not exclusive to Ford. I bought a slightly used F150 (2020) Lariat over a year ago with 26,000 miles on it at the new factory sticker was $47,000.00. That same truck is substantially more in 2024. I would like to upgrade-can even afford to do so-but outright refuse to do so at current prices. This current pricing situation-IMHO is not substainable.

Some feel the decline in Jeep sales is due to the escalation in prices. Who wants to buy a $50,000 vehicle to beat it up off road? Not as many as before-it seems.

It has to be sustainably changed in order to be considered. It's one of the criteria.

The Honda Fit was a terrible vehicle and never really competitive. The Yaris was a penalty box as well. My point-they stopped selling two vehicles that by any stretch were not great.

A Land Cruiser buyer is a totally different demographic than a Bronco buyer. As far as the 4Runner-people buy the 4Runner for what it isn't. They want "old school".

You really think a 4Runner and a Land Cruiser will be cross shopped with a Bronco?

I don't think they are going to have any issues selling them.

They would do well not to call it "EcoSport"......

Let's take two uses that trucks are used for and take them out of the equation. Those are for towing and for work. The rest are lifestyle. That's why you see these new EV trucks being designed the way they are. If they solve the range and recharging issues- then that RAM as a lifestyle vehicle hits the mark. Ford played it safe and made their EV truck look like a regular truck- the issue being is that it can't be used like a truck as towing leaves an abysmal range. And a work truck- that's a small niche with the EV limitations.

There are basically no hatchbacks-because the market (for the most part) doesn't define them as such. Younger buyers will have no recognition of a "hatchback". Just like they call limited (release LPs) "vinyl" because that is what they are now called.

Even though the 2.7 has good numbers-the "faithful" have a hard time getting past the "4 cylinder thing". Then you have the "You Tubers" bashing it as well because.....it's a 4 cylinder.

The Maverick is selling in part due to it's price point. We will see if guys will lay down significantly more dollars for Maverick design language on the '23 Ranger.

I just saw the 2024 Ranger over on TFL truck. I disagree. GM's faux offroad packages have proven to be very popular. Many of these are with the bashed 2.7 because that's what the dealers are getting. The design language of the Ranger on the front end is not great-IMHO.

Doesn't it have about the same numbers as the small Ford 2.7 turbo?

Only those who ride bicycles are entitled to cast stones- https://money.cnn.com/1998/03/05/companies/ford/

$16.67 an hour is terrible...especially on an assembly line.

Make a sedan that people can actually get in and out of easily and not call it a sedan. Sounds like it should sell.

When Toyota does it will be class competitive.

The marketing for the Titan was terrible to non-existent. That probably had a little to do with it as well. And Let's not forget the fiasco of the Cummins diesel. But then again-Ford knows a little about diesel fiascos.