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  1. Hi escapeman. There is no way to definitively answer that question. Too many variables which depend on your Dealers actions (How quickly Dealer actually inputs your order, Dealer allocation, Order Priority #, etc). Your best course of action is to contact your Dealership and see if it has been issued a VIN yet. Some dealers require a little more prodding for information than others. Once you have a VIN, you can come back here and post for updates in the Vehicle Locator sub-forum. Good luck.
  2. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi blksn8k2. As stated previously, you made a good decision passing on that lemon-lawed vehicle. Hope you will be happy with the truck you did purchase. Good luck.
  3. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi blksn8k. You obviously misunderstood what I and others were stating. No one doubted what you stated the Dealer told you. We believed you when you stated the Dealer told you those things. What was being questioned was why the Dealer would limit a warranty fix on a lemon-lawed vehicle (or any vehicle for that matter) to 1 year when the vehicle still had more than one year left on the Bumper to Bumper warranty. That is not how warranty repairs work, so the Dealer was pulling a fast one. Since what the Dealer was telling you made no sense, we were warning you to dig deeper or pass on purchasing that vehicle. You made a good decision passing on the vehicle.
  4. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi Allen. Thanks for that correction. That I did screw up. I'll go back and edit the references to blksna8k2's original posts for clarity. However, the information blwnsmoke provided was still not applicable and is incorrect. There is still no reason the selling Dealer should be limiting the Warranty on the Lemon Law repairs to 12 months/12,000 miles. And I know of no company policy stating an across the board 12 month/12,000 mile Warranty after the Bumper to Bumper is expired, for repairs performed before the expiration. Also just checked and it is a 2 year/unlimited mileage warranty on retail repairs by Ford with Motorcraft parts. Thanks for catching that. EDIT - Ooops, forgot there is a time limit on edits in Blue Oval. Can not correct for clarity.
  5. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi Allen. Maybe my answer was confusing. I did understand what he was stating. However, I was pointing out that whether true or not (and like you, I have my questions), it does not apply to his situation, where there is plenty of Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain Warranty remaining on the vehicle. So it is not a justification for the Dealer putting a 1 year/12,000 mile limit on the warranty repairs performed after the previous Lemon Law buy back. And it is not a good rationalization or reason to buy that Lemon Lawed vehicle...in my opinion of course. If anything, it raises more questions. And I believe that the Ford/Motorcraft warranty for retail repairs is now 2 years. Hope that is clearer.
  6. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi blwnsmoke. Not sure what you're trying to state there. First, according to your information, it is a 2018 with less than 10,000 miles, so the factory Warranty is not expired and will not be for some time. Second, if the factory Warranty is expired, then a repair is not a "Warranty repair". Bottom line is: There is something wrong if the engine/cam phaser repair is only covered for 1 year/12,000 and not covered for the remainder of at least the 3 year/36,000 mile Bumper to Bumpier and possibly even the 5 year/60,000 mile Powertrain Warranty (if applicable). Buy it if you like, you don't need to justify it to us or anyone else. However, the abnormal Warranty restrictions which the Dealer has put on the purchase show there is some issue they are worried about. The prior Warranty work should be fully covered, not limited to 1 year/12,000 miles. Therefore, you will not have the full 3 year/36,000 mile Bumper to Bumper and possibly not even 5 year/60,000 mile Powertrain Warranty coverage you would normally have on a 2018 with less than 10,000 miles.
  7. Hi wilsons550. Yes, wouldn't surprise me. 😀 However, if you have all your oil changes performed at the Dealership, they use the incorrect spec and you have engine trouble later under warranty, that will be Ford's problem. You will have receipts and records showing you had them take care of maintenance and they screwed up and are on the hook. However, if you do your own oil changes and have engine trouble later (yes, let's all keep in mind that the odds are very remote), you will be on the hook if Ford wishes to quibble the details. If you are performing your own oil changes, I would still recommend using the correct spec, and keeping all your receipts for your records. Good luck.
  8. Hi wilsons550. Short answer: If you want to 100% protect your Warranty concerning any possibility of future engine problems related to oil and warranty coverage (no matter how small the possibility), you need to use the proper specification. Having said that, will that old oil spec really affect your engine? No. However, if god forbid you had an engine failure which could be linked to oil, and Ford asks for receipts and proof of oil changes, your oil would be the incorrect spec. And according to who is reviewing your case and which way the wind is blowing that day, the warranty coverage could be denied. So...if I were you, and since you are worried enough to ask, I would return it for a refund and get the proper spec. Let us know how you make out and good luck.
  9. Hi 1984Poke. ice-capades stated in one of his posts above that the MKZ plant should only be down the week of 12/24. Perhaps add in New Years Day (just guessing)? So current schedule is a one week closure. As far as other plants in North America...I can not answer. Hope your wait is a short one and good luck.
  10. Hi lowfat. A similar situation occurred when I was researching and shopping for my 2018 MKZ. The incentives and rebates shown on the Lincoln website were confusing, because it showed the highest possible incentives, which like your situation, were Red Carpet Leases and return Red Carpet Leasers. It isn't until you click a level or two deeper that you find the full disclosures and lower purchase incentives. Since I was purchasing, not leasing, I did not qualify for the RCL incentives. However, I did understand that upfront anyway. In addition, there was also a $1,500 Incentive if you owned a vehicle manufactured by a competitor. This being my fourth Lincoln, I jokingly pointed out to the Sales Manager at the Lincoln Dealership, "So I can get $1,500 off if I am coming from a competitor, but no reward for being a loyal Lincoln owner?" LOL So sometimes their marketing choices make no sense to us as buyers and owners. As far as the Ford RCL's versus Lincoln RCL's: Whatever the rules are, the rules are. The incentive/rebate comes from Ford/Lincoln, so there is generally no reason for the Dealer to not make the sale if they wish to. I would take the advice given above and stop by another Dealership to see if the first Dealer made a mistake and perhaps you do qualify, coming out of a Lincoln RCL. I understand your frustration, but it is a matter of having to click and read the fine print. Keep us updated and good luck.
  11. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi Allen. Can you find a way to merge the two different threads without losing posts? At least one of my posts, with additional information, was lost (I believe the last one in the F-150 sub-forum thread). Thanks.
  12. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi blksn8k2. Too bad this same thread is in two different spots. It makes it harder to give pertinent information in one place. 🙃 You stated in your first post that "The replaced parts carry a one year warranty from the day the vehicle is resold". Therefore, it is important to note that you will not be getting the full factory Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain warranties on that truck, since the warranty on the engine problem leading to the Lemon Law buyback is now a limited warranty and limited to 1 year. And what exactly, were "the replaced parts"? If you don't know what all the parts which were replaced, what will your Powertrain Warranty cover? Did they only replace the "cam phaser"? More? Maybe the entire engine (I"m exaggerating now to prove the point)? What is no longer covered and why not? It should all be covered under the full Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain warranties, same as it would if you purchased another "used" 2018 with 10,000 miles. Auto manufacturers do not usually buy back cars for small issues. So if the problem was completely corrected, I have to wonder why the warranty is limited to one year, parts, labor or at all. It should be covered for the entire 5 year/60,000 mile Powertrain warranty. Again, just something to think about before deciding. Keep us updated and good luck.
  13. bbf2530

    Lemon Law Vehicles

    Hi blcksn8k2. Warranty repairs and the parts involved do not have a 1 year warranty limit. Warranty repairs and parts used are simply warranty repairs, and are covered for the remainder of the Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain Warranties on a vehicle. That is why I question the warranty engine repair only having a 1 year warranty instead of the remainder of the Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain warranties. The selling Dealer and/or Ford is restricting your warranty rights. Either that or Ford is not covering the vehicle under warranty anymore and the Dealer is only offering a 1 year warranty to sell the vehicle more easily (slightly similar to a Salvaged vehicle being sold with no warranty or a limited warranty). Either way, something is not right about the 1 year warranty restriction on the parts involved. This is still only my thoughts and opinion. And I certainly understand all of the "may be because" discussions. However, if you don't know what the actual reason is, the "may be because" of this or that reason does not matter and is irrelevant. Same point applies to the Lemon Law discussion. Yes, the Lemon law kicks i8n after 30 days and/or X amount of visits with a problem being unresolved. But it is not as though the truck was brought back after only 30 days. We don't know how long the problem existed before the previous owner applied for Lemon Law status. And then the process takes time. You may be correct and maybe the parts were unavailable. But we don't know the answer to that question. So again, it is irrelevant. All that matters is why the Bumper to Bumper and Powertrain Warranties are artificially restricted and how that may affect you in the future. Hope you understanding I am only trying to offer you a counterpoint and advice to be wary, since you will be spending a good amount of money and do not know the answers to those questions. Let us know how you make out and good luck.
  14. Hi 1984poke. In my opinion...you are overthinking and worried about nothing. It doesn't take a "few days to get back into the groove". Plus, you can hope all you want, but unless you cancel your current order and place it again later, it will be built when it is built. And yes, I know about the old "You don't want a car built on a Monday or Friday" types sayings/advice. But that is an old saying. Concerning your build weeks questions. The week of 12/17 begins on a Monday and runs through Saturday, 12/22 (or whatever day the Christmas holiday begins). So we are actually only discussing a shutdown of approximately 3 weeks. Plus, as ice-capades has discussed, there have been problems with the ordering system, so we may have incomplete information. I understand your anticipation and anxiety, but you'll be much happier if you can relax and stop worrying so much. I hope your shiny new MKZ comes as quickly as possible. Good luck. 🙂
  15. Hi Paddy. Happy to hear it all worked out in the end. My experiences with Lincoln/Lincoln Concierge have also been very good. Good luck!