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I used to wheel with a guy called Six Ten. You can guess where the name came from. He drove a CJ-7. He modified the front seat, and put the seat tracks where the back seat went. We would do overnighters. It was easy in our Explorer because a queen size air mattress fit in the back. Six Ten would sleep in his Jeep. Yes, you read that right. He would put the passenger seatback collapsed all the way forward, and would put the little tailgate down. Slept with his head on that passenger seat back, and layed angled with his feet hanging off the end of the tailgate. It was the goofiest thing you ever saw. :D

I think the Suburban looks fine in body, and they all look pretty bad in the front. That said, I will reserve judgement until I see them on the road. The interior is a huge improvement. Now, one big thing.................. what is up with GM and all of the weird lines on the sides? The straight character line looks fine. Then there is the weird uptick in the back window that doesn't align with the rear window................ and that odd little body line there. Also, what is up with the dumb looking chrome piece on top of the windows? The sides of the new trucks look terrible also, with lines going nowhere.................. and cars. WTF? Now, that said, the Escalade is terrible. Why not just call it XT6 XL. It went from being brash to boring. How sad. The interior, short of the totally low rent seat bottom, looks great.

The seat complaint is silly. My Lincoln dealer, that is one of the largest in the US, has to order everything they can with the 30-way seats. Once they came out, they can hardly sell a Lincoln without it (in the trims that it is available in). Seats that have a lot of adjustment take time to find what works best for you. Unless you have the car for a couple of weeks, you may not get it dialed into your preferences.

Does anyone know when written reviews will start showing up? I can't stand video reviews. I'm a fast reader and can quickly glance past the bluster.

Hmmmmm................... incentives are $500 less than Ram, but $1500 more than F150. They can't even make any inroads against the oldest truck on the market, with $1500 more of incentives?

I am lurking all over, waiting for the first reviews. If the reviewers love it, then the threads at that other place will be massively entertaining................ and a certain .bott should get perma banned.

That is hilarious. The first car that my Dad cosigned on, was a 4-door Cutlass Supreme in the same baby blue, with a full white vinyl roof (my very first car was the 1974 Mercury Monterey that my Dad gave me because he owed me money from borrowing my babysitting money (he was an active alcoholic at the time). It caught on fire). However, mine had the matching baby blue mags. It was against my will................. but was the only car he would cosign for me on. It was a giant POS. Between modules, and it's great disdain for water (anything that could leak water, would eventually leak water, with the last being the freeze plugs as it sat in the parking lot at work). God I hated that car, and it hated me right back.

I just don't think they will widen enough to want to have a payment again. LOL I'm 53. The idea of no payments is very appealing.

Well, I will watch all of this with great interest. Our Explorer Sport now has 83K miles on it, and short of one issue (the button on the shifter not reading park, a known issue of Explorers and Edges for 2013my), it has been bulletproof. I love this vehicle, and will probably drive it until the wheels fall off. However, that never stops me from crawling around new everythings................. LOL

Well, I'm sorry, but that is real dumb dealership speak. He traded in a BMW 550i because he needed a truck. Not too many trucks at the BMW dealership, since BMW doesn't make them. I'm sure there are folks that trade in BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Lexus cars on Ford Platinum, Limited, or King Ranch trucks also................ since they needed a truck. Good grief.

It has a mutated Mitsubishi Outlander front end design. I'm not a fan. Yes, when it comes to CUV's................. like SUV's, there is only so much you can do. They all start to blend together. Call me biased, but I still find my Explorer's design to be pretty timeless. It has done the best job of blending a SUV with a CUV. The new Traverse, while better than the old, has some very odd proportions going on, especially when you see it in person.

Ok, here is the girls perspective.................... OMG the front of that thing is hideous. There are WAY too many things going on there. Too many angles and cut outs for the sake of angles an cut outs. There is such a thing as too much surfacing, and too many details, and this is the poster child for that. I guess they couldn't decide if they wanted round or square wheel wells................ so they did both. Why is the interior exactly the same as the Chevy?? I will say this, for once, the Chevy and the GMC look completely different on the outside. Now they are both ugly. I hate those tiny little headlights on the Silverado, with that giant expanse of flat tall grill.................. and I dislike this just as much with how horribly busy it is. I can't even imagine trying to clean that front end. Imagine going through a bunch of bees, and having to clean it (have had it happen multiple times with the Explorer and the Super Duty). You would want to kill people. Anyway, it will sell fine. It finally has actual features, although it still falls short in some. I'm not sure about the transformer tailgate yet. I will have to play with it. GM will accomplish what they needed to accomplish with this redesign. They will bring current GM truck owners in to buy another................. and that is the point.

Oh, I'm sure it will be fabulous. I just don't know that we are prepared to get another new vehicle for quite some time. Frankly, I'm tired of car payments. LOL However, it will be exciting to see it. :D

Thanks !!! It is a good distraction from following dog rescues. LOL My passions................... cars / trucks and dogs.

The funny thing about "longest lasting" ads. If you have ever seen the actual statistics, the difference between GM and Ford is about 2 months. In other words, it is a statistical anomaly. Add to that, that Ford trucks are used as work trucks more than GM's, and the fact that it is that close is very surprising. I HATE those stupid and condescending "real actors not people" ads. They are all stupid beyond belief. The one where they are on the freeway and that one stupid woman says "I just want to get from point A to point B," and I want to smack her in the head. ALL cars / trucks these days are incredibly reliable in "point A to point B." The vast majority of any issues with them are electronic, or not understanding how something works. Real failures are rare. Of course, being stupid and knowing nothing about what you are talking about seems to be in vogue these days. Just watch the news.

I'm doing good. Just haven't been very active on forums anymore. Frankly, I don't find much that is really interesting in the automotive front anymore. As they start to go autonomous, it will get downright boring. Haven't gotten to it yet. I'm just trying to get caught up.

I can't understand why. Today, most of the new vehicles are turning to either all or most turbo engines. My 2013 Explorer Sport currently has 83K miles on it, and the engine has been flawless. I have had to replace the electronic shifter (wouldn't read park, and is a known issue with those years) battery and maintenance, and that is all. It is still a blast to drive, and short of the transmission, I love pretty much everything about it. The 6-speed has never been fabulous, and I have noticed as it has aged it is more mediocre than it was. But still, no issues. Even the interior and all of the electronics have worked great. Frankly, I couldn't ask for a better vehicle. We will probably keep it forever. I don't even have a door ding. It is funny, because I have not been on in a while. The discussion about resale on Super Duty trucks is spot on. Our 2008 V10 F250 4x4 CrewCab Lariat has 92K miles on it. It is in excellent condition, and is an AZ truck. We could sell it today, for $25-26K. We paid $38,500. Amazing.

Love watching Live PD. Shep is fantastic. Love it when he was standing on that woman's back, where she was hiding. As for the ribs, he is kept lean. He has to jump over fences, and get helped over fences. Keeping him lean helps his joints in the long run, also. I do the same with my Rottweiler. GS dogs are known for joint problems, just like Rotties.

They will be counted as retail sales in the same way that their forced loaner program cars are. GM has made the turnaround time on those cars very short, which works out great for them.............. as they can count rentals are retail sales. This will be the same. You can only have 18 switches in a given year. V cars are only available from March to October I believe, and are limited to 5 days at a time. So, you cannot switch out an Escalade for a CTS-V in the summer. As others have said, it is like leasing a car with none of the benefits of it actually being your car, but with the side benefit of being able to "try" other cars for a period of time. The thing that sucks is, there is nothing that says you will get the same Escalade after your 5 day CTS-V vacation. So, you can constantly be trading into what is basically glorified rental cars that other people have done who knows what in. Frankly, I think it is dumb. I believe it is the brainchild of the ultimate millenial............. Melody Lee.

Funny thing.............. the new Terrain, a compact CUV has a panoramic sunroof available. The much bigger Traverse has NO panoramic sunroof available. Only the old style little sunroof. Weird.

Every time there is a redesign, or a new special product like the Raptor comes out, it is like this with the wait. While it is on Ford that they should communicate the quality batch and hold better, it really is on the dealerships. To just ignore the customer is assinine. Something as simple as "I don't have anything new to tell you" is at least telling you that they actually took the time to respond to you. To just keep you flapping in the breeze is downright rude. I have seen so many of these product infos, and they are all slow painful process's. The difference is the dealership. Elfsysop, this will all be forgotten when you get your truck. I know it is hard to believe right now. BTW, I am envious. I would love to have a new Raptor myself. What an awesome machine. When you get it, have fun terrorizing the greenies. LOL

Every time there is a completely newly redesigned model of ANYTHING, this happens. Ford holds them all until they can be inspected, any issues fixed, and the ones coming off the line have no issues for so many days. When that happens, they are released. Every single new model has this issue. Every single one. It sucks, and I know folks are anxious, but it is better that they care enough to do this. A little inconvenience now will mean less when you get your new baby. That said, I am anxious to hear everyones impressions of the new Raptor. I am in love..........................

Exactly. You outfit your 4wheeler for the conditions you will be using it in. AT's are fine for hard fast trail running. No real wheeler uses they for muddin or rock crawling. If he is using rpm's to try to force his way through due to the lack of traction of the tires, all it takes is a spinning front tire to find traction and something will go boom. The throttle is not your friend in wheeling, other than prerunning. It would be nice if the critics knew something about 4-wheeling. I can take out any 4wd and break it. ANY ONE. Don't believe me?? Then give me your baby, and I will figure out what will break it. Frankly, it isn't very hard.

Channel stuffing makes for great quarterly results.

I think the buyers of this vehicle may surprise you. I'm thinking first new car buyers who do not have depth of credit and don't want to spend a lot, and elderly folks who no longer have kids and just don't need the payment or space. I can see these showing up in High School parking lots across the U.S. Think of it as a 2 seater with a rear seat insurance equilizer.