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That pretty much nails it.

Looks like a skinny kid wearing a fake muscle suit.

Don’t give California any ideas….

I don’t think there was ever any plan for a JV for the factory itself. Just the battery plant. Unless I missed something.

There are people who feel sorry for victims and want to help them even if the victim was 100% responsible for their own actions. Like people who jaywalk at night in dark clothing and get hit by a car and killed. Sorry that’s their fault not the driver. Empathy should not excuse liability or supercede the law. A certain group of people want to outlaw or ban certain things simply because it’s an easy solution that requires them to do absolutely nothing personally just so they can say they tried something so they can sleep better. The problem with this approach is it never addresses the true root cause and therefore doesn’t solve the problem. A simple example would be NYC banning large soft drinks. Does that stop people from overeating? Did it stop them from getting five refills? Of course not. But somebody slept better when that law was passed thinking they were improving people’s health.

I think it’s about time for Musk to sell the car business and be a battery system supplier.

The law covers this already. It’s called negligence. Giving a minor 16 yr old new driver a powerful car could absolutely be considered negligence the same as giving them access to a gun without proper training and supervision. But a 21 yr old is an adult in every consideration and is 100% responsible for their decisions and actions not the people who legally sell them something. I believe people should be held personally accountable for their actions. Period. If you’re participating in an illegal activity then you’re also responsible for whatever happens whether it’s street racing or a robbery gone bad. If you’re negligent with a minor you’re responsible. But selling legal products to adults is where I draw the line. What someone does with a Lamborghini is their responsibility. And while I don’t want to turn this into a political discussion - I feel the same way about guns.

Pretty much everything most of us said about this 3 yrs ago has come to fruition. Not a good truck. Not a great EV.

Somebody do a welfare check on rperez817……

Legal basis? None whatsoever. But that doesn’t stop greedy, lazy people from trying and sometimes stupid juries agree with them, like the guy who was driving an Explorer drunk without seatbelts, drove off the road and flipped it and was thrown out and killed. Lawsuit said if Ford had installed laminated side glass he wouldn’t have been thrown out - and they won millions of dollars. You can’t make up stuff like that.

How is that possible? Can’t you just tilt the seat back forward?

I could be wrong but I still think this is more about platform efficiency in batteries, aerodynamics, manufacturing - squeezing out as much cost as possible and applying this to all EVs to some degree. I don’t see this team just developing a few new EVs in a vacuum.

I’m more hopeful based on the people involved (outsiders) and the fact it’s a clean slate environment. The dangers are Ford cutting corners to save money before things are fully implemented or if the cost assumptions end up being wrong.

None of the reports’ conclusions used that data. They only looked at fuel economy and the report even admitted that the utility factor (amount of time a plug in is driven on battery) estimate in the WLTP is way off. But that can also be explained by people driving further each day than expected, not just by people not plugging in. I’m not saying they’re plugging in or not plugging in. I’m saying the data used by the report does not support the conclusion that PHEVs are not being plugged in because it doesn’t take into account how many miles are driven each day. If they have actual electric usage data then they should be using it not fuel economy. They’re drawing a conclusion that isn’t supported by the data they have because their data is incomplete as it doesn’t take into account how many miles are being driven on a particular day.

I think skunkworks was more about finding ways to cut costs in all aspects from batteries to electronics to the assembly process. Those can be applied to everything going forward. I don’t see it making anything else redundant.

Where would they build it?

That changes nothing I said. Did you look at the two examples I gave for fuel consumption of two vehicles that were plugged in every night?

Nothing wrong with the platform, just the factory.

There are no future ICE platforms. C2 and CD6 is here and perfectly capable.

The sad part is there are buyers who won’t pay MSRP but would gladly pay double MSRP with a 20% discount.

It’s definitely bad, Get a second opinion but you might just have to replace it yourself.

No. I’m saying they have better things to spend time and money on. At any given time they probably have a dozen or more projects with a positive ROI that could be done but they’re all below the line which means resources were given to higher priority projects.

Every vehicle/project has a cost and an expected ROI (return on investment) based on volume and pricing and production costs and that has to be compared with other projects competing for the same resources. It’s never just a sales question.

Some even before they were built.