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I previously provided examples of the different presentations of the coast to coast screens in the Chinese Explorer and Aviator where they had notable differentiation. How do we know the CtoC screen won’t only be available in the highest trim levels of the Expedition? I have no issue with that since the price of a Platinum is in Navigator territory. Although I would prefer the Navigator have a completely unique interior, at the same time I would also like the Expedition to have a superb interior as well.
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14 hours ago, rmc523 said:
It looks nice, though the wheels remind me of Camaro.
But at the end of the day, as I said when they teased it, it's just a sticker package.....there was no need to tease it, IMO.
Although I think the wheels look good, I thought the same. It’s hard to ignore the touch of Camaro that is in this latest generation. The car still looks good though. -
It is pretty ridiculous that the latest generation of Ranger doesn’t have ventilated seats in this day and age in the higher end trims. It’s one of a few misses on this new model as far as I’m concerned.
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7 hours ago, rmc523 said:
Of course. Believe it or not, it's fun for me lol. Yeah, I gave up on monthly with other brands, and only assemble the quarterly comparison of the brands for trucks. It'd be too much work otherwise.
The production figures above are from Ford's press release though (for some reason Dec 2023 didn't have them, that's why I used Nov).
I echo Andrew’s thanks in putting the numbers together.
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10 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
Bronco sales are down 25.79% for the year through March.
Obviously, that’s a pretty substantial number, but I would like to see a few more months before I passed final judgment. Clearly something is up though.
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6 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
In all seriousness, I really wonder what Ford's plans are long term with the Bronco pricing-they seem to have based the price increases on the ADMs that where on them the first few years and has dropped since production has increased. Are they still planning on a price hike when a refresh comes about? Will demand keep softening that incentives are the norm, like they are on the Wrangler (a friend of mine got a 4XE for almost 20K off after rebates/incentives a couple months ago) currently?
I think Ford has jumped the shark on Bronco pricing. Broncos are now being stocked on the lots around me, whereas this was never the case before, and you can buy them with a hefty discount. I’ve even seen bronco Raptors being advertised for $5000 off.
They affectively drove me out of the market based on value I see in the vehicle.
I think the next few months worth of sales will give us an idea on the impact of Bronco pricing.
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9 hours ago, Andrew L said:
When I was helping my friend shop for a new car the Lincoln dealer near me only had 3 new Nautilus on the lot the rest was mostly Corsair and Aviator. Only a few Navigators too. Granted this is a very small stand alone Lincoln dealership. I haven't been by the larger one that's part of Autonation yet. When the Aviator was released they got a decent amount in, I remember they had the whole front area lined up with them.
I’m curious what Autonation has. The Lincoln dealerships around my area have very little inventory of any model for that matter. I am unclear how to interpret that. Either they’re selling what they’re getting in, or they are having difficult getting inventory, or they aren’t ordering much for inventory. I just don’t know. -
5 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
The lack of redesigns and refreshes, but also the fact that they're making very little effort to evolve their design language. It's practically guaranteed when the model 2 is revealed, if it's revealed, that it looks like a model 3, which looked like a model s. So their cars are patterned after designs that are more than a decade old.
The model S is still a good looking car, but as you have stated the design language if 10 years old, so what is the incentive to upgrade to a new car if you already have one. It’s not a surprise the S sales are low now. Lack of refreshes on virtually any car will spell doom for sales. -
1 hour ago, escapeman said:
Vacationing in Arizona this week I saw my first one as I was driving directly behind it goi g into a mall parking lot.
I had no clue what it was till it turned and I saw its profile. That “Thing” is worse than the Aztec ever was. Made the Aztec look like a beauty queen. I waited for it to park and the driver leave to take a closer look.
How was it ever allowed to happen. ?
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1 hour ago, ice-capades said:
Most customers have no idea where vehicles are made. Unless they look at a Window Sticker closely, or the Dealer tells them, they'd have no idea. Enthusiasts of course would find out.
44 minutes ago, akirby said:
Based on initial feedback from Lincoln Nautilus Facebook groups and forums, your assessment is correct. Most don’t know, most of the ones who know don’t care and only a few who were actually planning to buy one are backing out.
Perhaps some don’t know or don’t care, but we will never actually know the impact of having the vehicle manufactured in China, until a survey of some kind is done.
Nevertheless, I haven’t seen one new Nautilus at any dealers around me or on the road, so having no vehicles to look at or buy off a lot, isn’t helping their sales. Manufacturing in China leads to long lead times and does have an effect on availability.
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I feel like Ford is screwing themselves on the Nautilus. It seems the Nautilus has been well received, and manufacturing it in China appears to be impacting its availability. Not to mention lost sales to those people that would otherwise buy one, but won’t because it’s made in China.
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I doubt they will sell the deck as a a separate part. These companies seem to want to protect their distinctive parts so you can’t make standard models look like theirs, even though they can make money. At least that was the case with Roush truck parts anyway.
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Just now, Andrew L said:
Escalade sells 100% on name. Navigator offers way more especially in the 2nd row for creature comforts, but Escalade outsells it by a huge margin.
That is an unfortunate fact, considering the Navigator invented the segment.
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The styling of the Escalade is not for me. I find it to be very bland. The Yukon and the Tahoe are both much more interesting to look at, particularly the Yukon. Based on the three models, I feel like you are only buying the Escalade to say you bought the most expensive model.
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8 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
I personally love the way it looks, it's sexy as hell. The wing is a little too big, but it serves a purpose. Is 300k a lot of money? Of course, but relative to the level of performance this car offers, it's a bargain. Keep in mind this thing is literally going to be beating million dollar exotics for a third the price, that's not just speculation either. Ford says it can run the run in well under 7 mins, that puts it above the 918 and p1. I'm willing to bet this car will beat the Ford gt around most tracks as well, given it's massive areo and power advantage.
i understand where you are coming from, that this vehicle will have top of the line performance, and I don’t doubt that, but it just doesn’t appeal to me otherwise. As you have pointed out, the garish wing doesn’t help matters, but it has its purpose. I might like the car more if it didn’t have that. -
Obviously, Buick is using the same design language across all their vehicles. When I first saw the Envista, I thought it was pretty sharp for an inexpensive vehicle, but I don’t necessarily think the design language translates as well to the larger vehicles.
It’s not terrible, but it’s not great either. As others have stated, the interior looks very nice though.
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On 4/10/2024 at 1:13 PM, rmc523 said:
I still think the GTD looks ridiculous and is still "just" a Mustang.
For the price, there are several other options I'd consider before it.
Agreed. This car just does not appeal to me. I like Mustangs, but not at this price tag. Maybe it’s just me being an old timer, because my son likes it.
I just don’t look at this car and think wow. I have to have that. Even though it may be badass on the road/track It just doesn’t raise any passion in me. If I were to pay a price like that I would also need to love the way the car looks.
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This is actually a disappointment for me. The TRD version looks ok, but the blue one looks very meh. I thought this would be a mini Land Cruiser, which was a solid effort, but this is a miss.
With that said, it’s a Toyota, so it will sell whether it’s good or bad, especially since it’s a complete redesign.
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News flash: Ford to build F150s
Ok, so it wasn’t just me that thought that FA story was stupid click bait.
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it all boils down to half the population not wanting to take personal responsibility for their actions. It’s always somebody else’s fault but their own, so somebody has to pay.
Kind of like the recent hit and runs of my truck and the Explorer on separate occasions. So guess who’s paying for it now, and a hint is that it was not the dirty MF’s that did it.
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8 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said:
My son, that lives in Germany, is considering revoking his US Citizenship to become a German citizen (at the moment, Germany does not allow dual-citizenship), the US Government charges $2350 to do so,,,,,
HRG
Should we ask why he would want to do that?
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5 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said:
Hope the kid & his family don't "lawyer up", and drag you and the dealership into court,,,,,,,
HRG
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13 hours ago, sullynd said:
Eh. The Everest, like most AUS designs it seems, looks a generation old. It looks like a Durango with a Ranger front clip. It would lead to confusion with Explorer and Expedition sales, and add marginal sales.
A fixed roof Bronco makes more sense.
The new Land Cruiser is the first Toyota in a long time that I liked the look of.
It’s interesting that you say that because I have had a number of friends who know I’m a Ford fan ask me about it after seeing pics of it, saying they like it. So you may thinks old looking, but there will be people that like it.
I personally don’t think it would confuse anyone as it does not resemble any of those vehicles. That’s what your marketing department is for. Hyundai seems to manage similar vehicles in the same market segments, so I don’t see why Ford couldn’t.
In respect to your comment, isn’t that basically what the 4Runner is? An old design that people still buy. The work is already done in the Everest, so incremental sales could be acceptable.
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On 4/5/2024 at 8:54 AM, akirby said:
But not everybody cares about removable tops or doors and they just like the styling. I once cross shopped a Lincoln LS sedan, Mustang GT convertible and a Mercury Cougar coupe. I just wanted something fun to drive. Ended up with the LS V8.
Which is why it would be great if they would bring the Everest here to compete with the 4Runner. Seems like it would be a no brainer since it’s a platform mate and there’s room in the lineup for it.-
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Ranger vs. Colorado vs. Tacoma Comparison by MotorTrend
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