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I was just looking at a few 2023 Rangers that are showing up on my local dealer’s website and they have some with a mid June 2023 blend date so they are still building 23s.

Other then the changes to the rear suspension isn't the Bronco chassis for the most part just a chopped down T6?

Then it's possible other then the rear shock mounts the actual frame is carryover. I read somewhere that small modifications had to be made in front for the V6, but they might not have been talking about the frame. Under the sheet metal I doubt there is much change since they already put the engineering into a new frame for the 2019.

The frame was all new in 2019 for the North American model because the previous ROW Ranger did not have a fully boxed frame. From everything I've read, the frame has only been modified slightly to fit a V6 in front and change the mounting of the rear shocks outboard. It's still almost the same with Ford calling it a T6.2 internally. So there isn't really an old or new chassis. It's the same chassis with some minor modifications.

Do you think that would be better then to just leave a fixed MSRP and do rebates, cheap leases and financing deals? I mean in the end the customer will save the same amount when sales soften, but it does seem like those things create the image of a good deal just like a big sale at the furniture store.

They must not have any stock issues with F-150s where you live, but they are starting to pile up on lots around here. I’ve started to get a lot of mailings from Ford lately that are advertising rebates, cheap lease deals and low APR’s and it mainly involves F-150s. I’ve also noticed in the advertising they are back to pushing high value XL STX models. Every market is different and that’s only my observation where I live, however I definitely live in “truck country” around here.

There is no reason not to offer AM radio on all of their vehicles. The radio circuitry is already there. It literally costs pennies.

It sounds like the Canyon or Tacoma offers everything you want and the Ranger doesn’t. Why not just order a new Canyon or Tacoma? Complaining on an internet board isn’t going to change anything. I’d buy a new Ranger because I’ve had excellent service from my previous 2019 and my current 2022 Ranger. I just get XLTs anyhow. I wouldn’t get a 2024 because I would want a Tremor package, but with a 2022 Tremor I’ve had for a year I’m not ready for a new one anyhow. You have choices that give you exactly what you want. If you still have an option to order the Canyon which does have everything you want including what you consider to be better performance and features I’d say your wasting your time complaining about the skimpy offering of models and options on the Ranger. Get what you really want and be happy.

The main focus of T6 at MAP has always been the Bronco even before it was launched. The Ranger was just easier and cheaper to get things rolling there a few years ago. Ranger has always been and continues to be an afterthought in North America. I happen to be a happy 2022 Ranger Tremor customer and I’d buy a new one if and when I replace it, but Ford will never put much effort into this model line. In fact, I’d argue more effort was put into the previous generation versus this one when it was adapted to the North American market. They spent the money at the time to give it a brand new frame, completely new powertrain compared to the ROW models and things like a steel bumper. They also brought region specific models like the Tremor to market. The 2024 is a nice midsized truck, but it’s just a middle of the road offering for the new generation from all the manufacturers. Except for the awesome Raptor model (which most cannot afford with the likely $10-25k ADMs on it) it’s just a pickup. For people like me who will only buy Ford it’s fine, but it’s not going to pull in the Tacoma or Colorado/Canyon buyers.

The cab is carryover so you are correct that the restyled door panels and headliner are giving the interior measurements a fraction of an inch improvements. So if you wanted a roomier cab that didn't happen. Always hate when things grow outside, but not inside on vehicles. I'm fine with the space inside the Ranger, but I know a lot of people complain about it. The Maverick is larger inside if you don't need or want the tougher truck capabilities.

Looks like the interior specifications have been updated. The 2024 SuperCrew is within an inch in most measurement of the previous gen except for head room which really wasn't an issue anyhow. I was questioning how they were able to get 4 extra inches of rear leg room in the new model when the total passenger volume was within inches of each other. It's not surprising though since the cab shell looks virtually carryover. The first image is the 2023 model (look at the second column for SuperCrew) and the second is the 2024.

Well people that have a good honest dealer will, but those are few and far between. Nice to see the greedy ones starting to have tons of F-150s piling up on their lots now still trying to sell them over sticker.

The latest MT states LED headlights on the XL STX so I would assume LED is across the line now. I don't know why it wouldn't be since by now LED is probably just as cheap as halogen lights in simple reflector form. I think you still have to twist a key and use a mechanical shifter on the lower trims, but at least they put LED lights on it. I did see the taillights at least on the XL are still incandescent though. My 2022 XLT has a mixture of incandescent and LED lights. I guess it saves money? At some point I can't see that really being a cost savings. It's probably just done to upsell and everyone does that.

"Any plan won't survive its first encounter with reality. The reality will always be different. It will never be the plan." -Jeff Bezos We are almost at mid-year. How close are they to that 600,000 number right now?

There has been back and forth on this. I guess someone saw where XL and XLT still have halogen bulbs and a keyed ignition.

Someone on another forum said MT made a mistake saying that. I sure hope so.

"The standard single-range electronic shift-on-the-fly (ESF) four-wheel-drive system can be upgraded to a part-time system with low range." They are really going to make you pay more to get a low range in the transfer case? You have to be kidding me. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ford-ranger-first-look-review/

How's that old song go... "They have a long ways to go and a short time to get there..."

Yeah it's the one from the current Ranger.

Actually that shifter is pulled right out of my 2022 Ranger. Same exact handle and boot. Ironically that larger overbuilt shifter probably costs more to put in it then the small electronic one.

There are plenty of positives to the new model, but now if you want low range in your 4x4 that is an added cost. Dual range 4x4 used to be standard on all 4x4 models. That is according to a Motortrend article. Auto 4x4 is not available in anything except the Raptor. I have also heard, but cannot confirm XL and XLT still have halogen headlamps. It's 2023... even the Maverick has LED across the board. I didn't know about the new shifter being only on Lariat and above. What does the XL and XLT use for a shifter? EDIT: Nevermind on the shifter. I figured it out by looking at pictures. It's the same mechanical one from the current Ranger.

It better be a hell of a lot better then the current model. According to TFL prices are going up about $3,000 over the current model when you compare like models.

That's interesting where they found 4" with the cab virtually the same size. With no Tremor available and the Raptor which will likely be $70k I'll keep my '22 Tremor for now.

So the Ranger grew in size outside, but the passenger volume inside the cab is virtually unchanged. 97.6 cubic feet on the '19-'23 and 98.3 cubic feet on the 2024 . In comparison the Maverick has slightly more interior volume. The SuperCab is gone and SuperCrew 5 foot bed is the only configuration. It also appears the Tremor model is gone so if you want more off-road capability you have to buy the Raptor which is likely to be a much more expensive model. Fuel tank capacity is unchanged at 18.8 gallons. XL, XLT and Lariat only trims available. The 2.3 EcoBoost has the same exact power specs from the current Ranger. About the only surprise is that you can get the 2.7 V6 (late availability) as an option in the XLT and Lariat. I figured that would be Lariat only. Anyhow I won't be running out anytime soon to trade up my 2022 Ranger Tremor for this one. Glad they didn't make it that good so I won't feel the need to. lol

SuperCrew only?