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Hey Bob, the part I’m seeing is where Cummins says the new 6.7 gas engine shares many of the diesel’s parts, that would be akin to Ford doing a gasoline version of the 6.7 Powerstroke….in that respect, the 7.3 is way in front in terms of $$$ but if Ford was to compete maybe a high deck long stroker V8 is an easier proposition getting the 7.3 to 8 litres would need some work (4.5” stroke and higher deck block) but not impossible. ^^^^^^^^I don’t see Ford doing this by the way but interesting topic to explore if diesels are under threat.

That PHEV data is also distorted by the reality that many cities in Europe and UK have zero emission zones but to reach them on a commute, PHEVs have to run in the less efficient charge sustain mode. I seriously doubt that owners pay a premium to get a plugin hybrid and then just use it like a hybrid. That information is also being released to encourage European buyers to move from their current efficient diesels and hybrids to BEVs. The issue that they’re ignoring is that many European owners live in residences where any form of charging is hard to do and so most have to use public chargers which are to put it mildly, dreadful and rather expensive for a charge…...

Honestly, put the 3- row things back at Cuautitlan and give Oakville something better to build on a faster timetable.

Imagine how embarrassing it would be for Ford to cancel Mach E after one product cycle, they can’t bring themselves to do that and perhaps trying with better GE2 package will succeed. Honestly, put the 3- row things back at Cuautitlan and give Oakville something better to build on a faster timetable.

Aww man, I feel so much for you guys at Oakville……. Honestly, I’m now waiting for the other shoe to drop with regards to Blue Oval Center……

Some of us would just be glad if Ford starts RHD S650 production this year…

Combined GM brands adds up to 19%, combined Dodge/Ram/Jeep/Chrysler is 11.7% and Toyota/Lexus 13.5%. So it is what it should be based on traditional sales profile

Another reason why the new Everest is a really well thought out vehicle. The V6 diesel versions of Ranger and Everest are lovely an quiet like a gasoline engine… You guys probably don’t see much buffeting anymore but I’ve heard that one of the recent Silverado models from just a few years ago may have had this problem…

Thanks for sharing that, I just checked out the specs on the new C2 based Edge L and man, it’s nearly the size of the Explorer….a touch narrower and shorter but not much smaller. Makes me wonder what could have been if Ford had stuck with a FWD/AWD Explorer design shows how much of Ford’s North American production could have been consolidated under C2

It never ceases to amaze me just how efficient and smooth that epicyclic gear train is while on the move. Seamlessly balancing Electric power, variable gearing and the cut in of the ICE. All achieved by starting the design from a modified FWD Automatic transmission….

No, there was no evidence of that but man, the silence is deafening, not even drip feed. I understand but those announcements are a bit you know like the support acts to something major. Ford might be saving release for a bigger event…

You may be onto something there and normally at an event like that, Ford would be hyping the 3-row BEVs as a major product reveal. Lately, it’s like all the air has gone out of the room….

Much of the blame for perceive or real inefficiency with the current Lighting stems from Bill Ford insisting that Jim Hackett find a way to bring a BEV F150 to market ASAP, so much of what we see is a result of top down pressure ripping $11 billion in funding from then (2018) existing ICE platforms to make his BEV dreams come true. Just stop and think about the hubris of Ford Motor thinking that it can catch up to Tesla by spending oceans of company money without the correct starting point. The reason that things like Lightning are inefficient are because Ford tries to reuse so much of its existing parts and supply chain, at the time, I’m sure that the mindset still saw BEV as a powertrain and gas tank change…….Seriously, I think Ford has to own its mistakes and learn from them and not just blame bad timing or external source or Tesla will keep running away with BEV sales growth.

Your final paragraph goes to exactly why Ford North America in 2006, initially opted out of a replacement Ranger that became the global T6 vehicle. What North America wanted, a smaller, lighter, less, costly truck (sound familiar?). That vehicle simply could not fit under the projected product envelope, that kick off meeting happened during 2006 when Alan Mulally took the reigns and unfortunately, a low cost truck was way down on the priorities as was continuing the existing Ranger which was cancelled in 2011. None of that POV changed at Ford until Mulally stepped down and Fields took over, work began on securing a Ranger and Bronco for the US market but it wasn’t until Hackett/Farley term that Maverick was identified as a needed vehicle and developed at warp speed. I can only imagine what could have been if Mulally’s team developed a quick Maverick project done under C1 Transit Connect, how that would have changed the viability of Michigan AP is hard to say but I’d like tho think for the better…interesting discussion but all water under the bridge and like so many other things from that era, a missed opportunity.

Ford did a really good job on the Maverick and yes, the internal dimensions are very close which is one area I was hoping would change with the wider track. I guess the concern was making the cabin so big that Ranger started poaching F150 sales. The F150 supercab with short bed is still a viable option for many folks but I’d have to check the price…..

I can only imagine all the what ifs and scenarios being run behind the scenes, just seeing if restarting Edge is even possible without too many “penalties”. and that’s before we ever consider possibilities with the BEV equation…

The platforms are all very close cousins and agree with what you’re saying, C2s are generally a lot lighter (300-400 lbs). The biggest tell will be continuing the demolition pointing to a big change, not keeping the old. If that changes, you know something is up… As I’ve said before, if you don’t like the current Ford plan, just wait a few months…

The fact that Ford isn’t denying this rumour hints at the possibility that changes are being considered. Sure, the demo work will probably continue but I wonder if Ford is planning to hedge its bets and develop the new OAC as a multi vehicle plant - continue the 3-row BEV even if delayed but revive the canned CD4 Edge/ Nautilus evolution with modified floor pan to accept hybrid batteries….less changes than C2? (was this part of the previous plan before the BEVs were transferred to OAC?) ^^^^^^^ Oakville guys, see if you can find out anything through UNIFOR regarding the plans before for reassigned the BEVs to Oakville, just a hunch but I think the plan was evolved CD4s.

I can think of one reason, fingerprints on the stainless probably requires constant attention.. While the stainless steel won’t rush, I wonder if other road contaminants and grime give a discolored look. There’s a couple of instance of CTs driven for a few days in California exhibiting rust spots on the surface https://www.wired.com/story/this-is-why-teslas-stainless-steel-cybertrucks-may-be-rusting/

If Bronco sales are starting to slow a bit, maybe this is the perfect opportunity for buyers to fall in love with new Ranger and see a nice spike in sales. Ranger Raptor is great value compared to Bronco Raptor and that may be another reason that some late Bronco buyers begin to switch…..I can see this working out well for Ford.

All I’ll say is that it’s a very polarising style, some color wraps look better than others but it’s not for me

The Tesla could do with a nice wrap, preferably concrete.

At the moment, Ford is compelled to move the rest of its 2023 Mach E stock, be that strong cash incentives or killer lease deals to retail customers or, loading up Ford internal fleet vehicles including dealership courtesy vehicles. No matter how Ford gets it done, it’s better to move tin and get the message out rather than sit stubborn with premium prices that few buyers are willing to pay. As costs lower on battery production, we will probably see Ford holding down prices provided lithium doesn’t spike again, maybe having a sodium battery alternative to hepl keep prices in check…

I stand corrected, the uptake rate may have slowed but people are still most definitely buying BEVs. Ford won’t be slowing BEV production until April so there’s a week and a bit of overproduction still to go. Ford is right to offer its ‘23 Mach E with cash incentives, it’s a great way to promote without hurting the ‘24 price. Good old fashioned end of model year selling.

Actions have consequences and for this CEO to go so hard, so quickly with adopting BEVs is seen as reckless. I know the intention was to cater to renters asking to hire Teslas and raising the profile of Hertz as a company thats changing with the times but sadly, that’s all come crashing down…….too much too quick.