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  1. Demand for EVs drops off because most people can't afford them. Ford lowers the price, demand improved. Also Ford, alright, let's immediately increase prices again.
    5 points
  2. I wouldn't use Stellantis a benchmark for doing anything 😛
    5 points
  3. I have no bias here except facts. Fact is almost everyone projected a huge increase in EV sales. Ford had Lightning reservations and sales to back up that forecast. If they were still selling them for the original prices with the original tax credits they’d be selling a lot more. Even your last quote says it’s about costs. Look at what happened to Mach-E sales when they lost the tax credit vs when they dropped prices. People still want large less efficient vehicles regardless of propulsion and a large number don’t mind paying for it. The only place I think Ford miscalculated is that EV truck buyers are not necessarily the same as ICE truck buyers. The only issue here is sales volume. And obviously to get high volume you need smaller cheaper vehicles. But that’s not the entire market.
    4 points
  4. The dealership I worked for, for nearly 35 years, became a dealer for the Mustang ASC McLaren in the Spring of 1987. I flew out to Chicago first, to visit a former skating partner from Ice Capades, then flew to Detroit the following morning and was picked up at the airport by a representative from ASC. No one at the dealership knew where I was other than the Dealer Principal and my wife at the time that also worked for the dealership. This first 1987 Mustang ASC McLaren was to be a surprise birthday present for the Dealer Principal’s fiancé that also worked for the dealership and lived with. As such, it was critical that no one knew the true nature of my trip, location, etc. for being out of the office. The ASC representative picked me up and took me to several ASC plants in the area to see their work in person, including power moonroof installations in Lincoln and Ford models. The ASC plant where the Mustang ASC McLaren model was produced, was also the facility involved with production of the Buick Grand National where the very first GNX was under wraps and reserved for the GM CEO (Roger Smith?). The ASC McLaren Mustang was produced on a separate assembly line. The Mustang chassis was originally produced by Ford as a LX 5.0L Coupe and then converted to the ASC McLaren Convertible model after modifications including windshield rake, ground effects, chassis reinforcement, manual cloth convertible top, rear seat removal, Mercedes style hard convertible boot, etc. I was literally able to walk the length of the assembly line and see every stage of the production status. At the end of the line, my dealership’s vehicle was waiting for me to take delivery. I took delivery and rode into the proverbial sunset to drive it back to Connecticut (about 750 miles) so that the Dealer Principal would have it in time to present to his fiancée for her birthday. I drove off with the top down as the weather was beautiful and every time I stopped for gas, other drivers asked me about the new “Mercedes” which was both interesting and amusing. And there were numerous times while driving back that other drivers on the highways would toot their horns and give me a thumbs up which made the drive back a lot of fun. I got back to CT around 6am the following morning, called the Dealer Principal to let him know, and we put together the plan to deliver the vehicle to his fiancé. I got some sleep, and the Dealer Principal sent our detailer to my condominium so that we could clean and detail the vehicle. I drove the vehicle that afternoon to the Dealer Principal’s house, about 45 minutes from the dealership, and parked the vehicle in an area behind the house where his fiancée usually parked and would see it. The two of us waited inside the house until she arrived, saw the vehicle and realized that there was a card placed under the windshield wiper. By then, the Dealer Principal had gone out to wish her a happy birthday and present the Mustang ASC McLaren as her surprise birthday present. She absolutely loved the car but there was another development about a month or so later. A very, very good customer of the dealership, with a collection of cars, was ready to buy another vehicle and saw the ASC McLaren. He wanted one and wasn’t willing to wait until we got our next Mustang ASC McLaren and let it be known to the Dealer Principal that if he wouldn’t sell him the fiancée’s car that he’d go spend his money elsewhere. As such, the Dealer Principal sold him the car, which his fiancée wasn’t happy about, but understood. She got the next Mustang ASC McLaren that arrived at the dealership a short time later. Overall, the dealership sold and delivered at least 15-20 Mustang ASC McLaren vehicles while the limited-edition vehicle was available.
    4 points
  5. As Fuzzy pointed out - they really don't care about us or how our lives are affected by giving us radio silence.
    4 points
  6. I’m not sure Ford even knows what it’s going to do yet.
    4 points
  7. Of course they did...I bought a 23 back in late October! However, the price I paid is pretty comparable to today's prices. I had a decent rebate (11k) + the $3750 tax rebate + $2500 incentive from my employer for buying an electric vehicle (it's an electric company). Since I no longer work for that employer (I quit to run my own business a week ago), I wouldn't qualify for the $2500 and the tax rebate is now gone, so I feel OK.
    3 points
  8. agree, would be nice to see some consistency. The Navi must have air suspension, all the competitors have it so there is no excuse o reason to not have it
    3 points
  9. The ergonomics and controls inconsistency between the full sized trucks/SUVs and other vehicles drives me nuts. With F series being the cash (and volume) cow they pretty much get to do whatever they want and the so do the other teams. Simple things like having the audio steering controls on the same side would help. My F150 is on the right while the Nautilus is on the left.
    3 points
  10. There are a few things Lincoln does not do across the board which I find odd. The height of the door handles on the Navigator makes sense but if the Navigator gets air suspension like the Aviator and lowers itself I could see that being a play. The other thing that is not consistant across the lineup is the placement of the power seat switches. All of them except the Nautilus have them on the door panel while the Nautilus has it on the side of the seat. This is however nothing new with Lincoln and it drives me crazy. In the 80s the Town Car Continental and Mark VII all had it on the door. In the 90s the Town Car and Continental had it on the door while the Mark VIII had it on the side of the seat. Enter the Navigator and LS in the late 90s it's on the side of the seat too. Enter the Aviator in 2003 and it's on the door, refreshed Navigator still on the side of the seat. I wish they would just have the entire lineup have the seat controls on the door Lincoln has done that a long time and it would be nice for some consistency.
    3 points
  11. I agree, it’s just very frustrating to be honest. You’re not one bit wrong here. I just vent and rant because I really want to know what’s going on.
    3 points
  12. With a $6500 down payment. That’s effectively $470/ mo.
    3 points
  13. For me I want the shorter overall length so I can walk behind it in the garage. My F150 is 231” and I only have about 3” of clearance to the garage door. Ranger Supercab 6’ bed is 211” which gives me 2’. A supercrew 6’ bed would be 223” and that wouldn’t be enough room. But I think the biggest reason is that a supercab 6’ has the same wheelbase as the supercrew 5’.
    3 points
  14. The truth is they either haven’t made a decision yet or they haven’t finished all of the internal notifications before they make a public announcement.
    3 points
  15. I'd forgotten about the AWA (After Warranty Adjustment) until your post, and it reminded me of my dealership's experience. Yes, there was a required dealership participation. In addition, there were several instances where good, loyal customers were in a similar situation and AWA didn't exist at the time or wasn't an option. I was fortunate to work for a Dealer Principal that took care of those customers, did the necessary service work and covered the cost 100% as a dealership goodwill expense. He did so because he felt it was simply the right thing to do for a valued customer!
    3 points
  16. Five rows of bench seating. I live in Utah, people here need all the seats they can get.
    3 points
  17. The forecasts were simply overinflated based on reservations and other factors such as huge price increases. Has nothing whatsoever to do with inefficiency.
    2 points
  18. So I'm at the show and my guess of them introducing the 2025 Expedition was wrong. In fact, nothing was actually introduced, just a quick discussion about Mustang and its upcoming 60th (anniversary package to debut April 17). Plus a review of the various Mustangs on display, including the Mach E. Overall it's nice to see the Mustang get center stage again (last year they had just 2, this year 6 Mustangs and a few Mach E's) Still disappointed no big debut though!
    2 points
  19. Here's hoping the new expy isn't mostly new and is all new
    2 points
  20. Yeah I think it is most likely And that would be good because that means that the new Navi is near too 😉
    2 points
  21. Because Ford allocates vehicles to each dealer based on their sales history. Let’s say each dealer gets 2 vehicles per week. If the dealer has 10 people in line ahead of you you’ll have to wait 6 weeks to get yours scheduled. If there is only one ahead of you you’ll only wait 1 week. The trim levels are because of parts shortages which have always happened even before Covid. Covid just made it 1000 times worse.
    2 points
  22. You guys don't get it. Ford Pro is where it is at now- that is the big money maker. And while they did not reveal anything at the Work Truck Show-which is where anything big in commercial vehicles is usually announced, Mr Cannis and his team of truck professionals will be announcing new color choices for the Transit at New York. While Ram and GM have announced new organizations similar to Ford Pro they have a lot of catching up to do if they are going to catch Ford's team. Not sure where I saw it, but a clip of the Ford Pro line up....an array of about seven Transits, and one F-150- all white of course. Super Duty 250-750??? Nah!
    2 points
  23. I hope to hear something before we go off in 5 weeks.
    2 points
  24. Because they haven’t made a decision yet. There is no easy answer here so the decision isn’t obvious. Even if they want to continue the current Edge they have to negotiate that with dozens of suppliers.
    2 points
  25. The platforms are all very close cousins and agree with what you’re saying, C2s are generally a lot lighter (300-400 lbs). The biggest tell will be continuing the demolition pointing to a big change, not keeping the old. If that changes, you know something is up… As I’ve said before, if you don’t like the current Ford plan, just wait a few months…
    2 points
  26. A buddy sent me a picture of one he saw on the road the other day that was painted white. Didn’t help at all
    2 points
  27. My first thought was 2007–2017 Jeep Compass.
    2 points
  28. I personally don't want the Apple interface taking over everything in the car - I'd rather have the factory setup, and the apple version within for certain functions.
    2 points
  29. I don’t know - what if they used a smaller Atkinson cycle v6 hybrid that has no power but gets 2 more mpg? 😂
    2 points
  30. I know it's not what people want to hear, but my guess is as Ford scrambles, they'll most likely bring the tooling for the evos/Chinese edge body here, and throw a hybrid system under it. There's no time to develop a c2 edge from scratch, they can't keep the current edge going much longer, and it sounds like these new three row EVs are struggling, and lack any real appeal. Bring the Chinese edge here, rebrand it into an explorer sport because it's boxy styling really doesn't look like an edge, but would align with the explorer name. Shorten it if at all possible to bring it more in line with the edge's dimensions. Ditch the controversial c-pillar if you have to. You'd be left with a boxy, sharp looking crossover that strengthens Ford's iconic nameplates, and looks better than the existing bulbous edge to my eyes.
    2 points
  31. Oh good grief. It’s 100% voluntary and the automakers have complete control over what is allowed. And what about Android Auto? Stupid lawsuit.
    2 points
  32. Ford is dying. Slowly. and what we see are the convulsions or erratic movements that anticipate the end. In Europe, Ford will have almost nothing to sell by the end of the year: Puma, Kuga, Transit. That's all. Ford kill the Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Galaxie, S Max, C Max and has nothing this to replace them. The Explore EV for Europe (VW platform) was delayed. The 2nd EV model is not even close to launch. In America the things are not better. The planned EV were canceled (yes... canceled) because nobody wants to buy expensive a EVs with limited range. Ford killed (or planned to kill) Escape, Edge,all ICE Lincoln and now have nothing to offer. Ford is dying. Ford couldn't handle the transition to electric vehicles.
    2 points
  33. Extending Edge by 6 months would give Ford the breathing room it needs as it sounds like the "EV plan" is still in flux right now...just gotta loop in UNIFOR so the speculation is kept to a minimum.
    2 points
  34. listen, I’ve been through this before. You’ll hear next to nothing until they’re good and ready to tell you. We’re nothing more than numbers on a list.
    2 points
  35. I have driven many Lincoln corsairs all ice models and I can say i do not find them that quite an interior. That is one reason I ordered a Nautilus Hybrid . The Nautilus Hybrid I drove is very smooth and quite interior. I think itmay be better sound insulation and maybe retuning of the Active Noise Control.
    2 points
  36. No one seems to know the status of the the 7 seater EVs at this point. I have a feeling they are at a serious decision point about moving forward or not. Edge could get extended again but not likely. There have been some rapid program changes up and down the line. If you like non EV vehicles then you will be excited for the programs back in motion or added to the cycle.
    2 points
  37. Sounds like their “unnamed source” is the UAW contract.
    2 points
  38. 1 point
  39. Do you think that’s due to Atkinson-cycle engine design in general, or possibly the Ford 2.5L 4-cylinder Atkinson specifically, and or in this application? An engine with only +/- 162 HP will have to work pretty hard to power a 4,400 vehicle, so it’s not entirely surprising that it may be a little loud and rough at times. Anyway, my personal opinion for quite a while has been that Ford needs a larger-displacement higher-horsepower Atkinson engine for heavier vehicles. I would guess the 2.5L Atkinson does better in lighter vehicles where it doesn’t have to work as hard, and therefore engine speed can remain lower on average. That would help reduce noise, vibration, and harshness.
    1 point
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