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Had to go back and look at her again today, they parked her next to a Gator so I could compare. The Aviator is in the approach or showroom height. It seems a lot lower, but not so much at normal height. It also makes the Gator styling appear old and boxy. Heard one customer shopping Gators say "wow whats that?"

I got a private preview of the local Dealers loaded Reserve. The owner was going to take it for the night, but they thought there was a suspension problem (Does anyone read manuals these days) Any how after the owner left, they discovered there wasn't a defect, but you had to select the drive mode again after playing with it. Crisis averted, but owner had left for the day. I knew it arrived earlier with the new explorers, so as I drove by, I spotted them moving an Explorer limited to the showroom. OK, Right turn Clyde. Went back and first salesman said no one was allowed in and they didn't have the key, the owner kept it. So I drooled over the outside a bit, went in to have a look at the Explorer, next salesman wanted to sell me the Explorer, moments later the GM popped around the corner to say hello, asked what I was up to? Said "Man I saw her on the side and just had to stop" too bad the owner took off with the keys". What? No, I have the keys he said. I gave him the 220lb linebacker puppy eyes and he said "can't wait until tomorrow can you" A quick nope and we were off to play. I don't get to drive it until the owner takes it to show off to his friends, said I'd probably get it Monday for 24 hours????? Five smiles right there. OK, so here is my impression of my first visit: The top 10 1. Love at first sight, I am not a professional reviewer so forgive my articulation. 2. Did I say love at first sight yet? Holy bat-mobiles it is really handsome in person, the pictures do not do it justice. The new Explorer looks better than last years, but the Aviator will not be mistaken for its cousin. 3. Next wow moment...SHUT THE DOOR...wow is it quiet, I could not hear a word outside or the traffic going by. Compared to the Nautilus beside it, I could hear traffic faintly. Inside the Aviator was like being in a sound booth where they check your hearing. 4 The 28 speaker stereo...They had not tuned the radio yet, so I took it upon myself to tune to the local classic rock station, what a treat to blast AC/DC. The depth of field was amazing. I can't wait to personalize mine. 5. You'll fall in love with the sexy/handsome look It was just a wow moment walking up to it. It doesn't scream manly or feminine, it just screams look at me. 6. The steering wheel feels oh so sleek, sporty like. It is smaller than the Gators and the push to talk button at the 10 o'clock position was long over due. It just feels natural there. 7. The display seemed unobtrusive despite its size, I think it is some kind of designer trick. When you are navigating the menus it seems huge, but sit back look a the road ahead and you barely notice it. Maybe I'll notice it more when I live in it for 24 hours. 8. It was 94 out and the A/C was refreshing cold almost instantly, but it should be right? The engine noise was barely noticeable while revving the engine. 9. The seats were the same as the 30 ways in the Gator, so yes they were very comfortable. And the big test for me, was stretching my legs all the way straight without tangling in the pedals. 10. The double pull to open the hood...no more searching for that secondary latch...genius!!! The only negative thing about today was realizing it would be many more months until I get mine...at least I get this one early next week to rock and roll.

I am new here and I NEVER comment on political issues. That said I like the forum and felt that I should add my .02. To be clear I have studied political science as a hobby for most of my life including ancient political systems. What we are seeing very clearly in our new country is a scheme known as "Divide and Rule" by the political elites. The easiest way to control a populace is to divide them, and even best let them divide themselves! They do this by being opposed on very personal topics, topics that evoke the most emotion. I.e. my family, my children's future, my security, etc. Just look at who holds the power and who is making the most money; The politicians. We need to look at any of the rhetoric through that lens. I am a proud American, our founding fathers were brilliant and great political scientists. What they put in place is lasting, but is being broken down by the career politicians who are using our country for their own gain. Please help push for equal justice for politicians and non-politicians as well as the need for term limits. Thank you for a wonderful forum BY THE WAY!

Probably why it's compared to a Transit Custom, not a Connect.

I guess you drive around in complete silence, what combustion car can you do this in? I may be one in one thousand, but the stereo rocks like mad and the orchestra symphony's are pure bliss. Yes, I am an audiophile with an enormous playlist. If the engine noise interfered with my music, only then would it be a deal breaker. Even listening at a reasonable 78db (where you should listen at, the app is available to measure) I could not hear anything but music. I did push the RPMs up above 4000 while checking out the stereo. You could always get a hybrid?

Westbrook's #67 Ford GT beat the Porsche 911 for the first Ford victory this year! https://autoweek.com/article/imsa/richard-westbrook-puts-ford-imsa-gtlm-victory-lane-first-time-2019-lime-rock

Fake engine noise on a Lincoln, of all things? What were they thinking? The whole idea reminds me of playing with Hot Wheels as a kid making raspberry sounds with my tongue, but I know that with ever-more-quiet interiors lots of carmakers are now doing it.

And nothing of value was lost.

The question is whether Corvette buyers will go for that stuff like Porsche buyers. Completely different demographic. I do applaud the effort but I think they’d be more successful if they kept C7 as the entry level and moved C8 upmarket.

The test is NOT flawed. Any shudder recording of less than 250 RPM passes. Any recording 250 rpm or over, it fails and gets a clutch. The time time given to the technician is flawed. It pays .6 of an hour to the tech for all this: Get the car into the bay, verify warranty status, check for any new TSBs or other updated information related to it, connect a finicky diagnostic system, check for any codes that may relate to the shudder, perform the adaptive relearn on the clutch, test drive and record the shudder readings, and do the calculations for the shudder readings. If it passes, the job is done. If it doesn't, then *for no more pay* the technician must upload the data to Ford, then complete the required online (if Ford's website works) diagnostic form to get a required Repair Validation Code, or RVC, because Ford does not trust the word or competence of technicians. No RVC and the clutch replacement will not be paid for by Ford. Fudge the numbers or break the *VERY* specific criteria to record the shudder and the claim can and will be bounced by Ford even after the repair is done. If it was for any other non shudder/non TCM reason, the tech would get 1.0 hour *without* being chained to the upload and online RVC process. Again, the test is fine. I get over 90% failure rate even with the lack of time given to do the whole procedure. Their interpretation of the memo is wrong. The memo says that the vehicle MUST be repaired as per established procedures i.e. TSB 16-0109, the online guided routine in WSM section 307-01. Customer Resource Center has to be contacted for any after warranty assistance. Contacting CRC rarely gets the entire job covered, rather, it will give a portion towards the repair, unless they radically change the policies in this instance. I wouldn't hold my breath. Let's suppose they do cover your car. It HAS to be diagnosed as per the description I gave mybkvu above. If it can't hit the 250 RPM threshold or the seals are not leaking, you don't get a clutch, period.

u left out ohio, all REPUBLICAN house/senate and GOV, and doubled the gas tax on diesel and gas, so ur argument is moot. oh and ohio also raised taxes, on just about everything!

She wants to but it never made it past the house. It won't pass.

Was that you I saw at Wolf 359?

June production was 12,276 Total production for first six months was 66,122

Just by reading what you wrote tells me your a victim of your own ignorance. You have to work for what you want and have the knowledge and discipline on how to manage your money. Why do you think you are owed anything? There is nothing free in this world. Did the govt. take care of citizens prior to the last 50 yrs? By the way, I have only been a hourly person my entire Ford career. Laid off for 4 straight yrs. I wasn’t mechanically inclined to be in skilled trades. I can only say that God has blessed me more than I ever dreamed. Always remember, You have to give to receive!! One other thing, when you see an old retiree, thank them for all they sacrificed, so you were able to receive the sub pay, short work week benefits, and all the other benefits you enjoy. You my friend, having only 27 yrs. have not sacrificed anything. You have not walk a picket line or lived off the strike fund. Do you think the old timers would have allowed a two tier pay system? Are you one of those who says “I would be happy with a nice signing bonus?”

I would like to know how anyone could save a million dollars raising a family,putting children through college, enduring layoffs,plants closings,illness ,concessions ,etc? What live in a shack or have help from Mommy and Daddy? Lets see if you could manage to save 200k over 30 years enduring the things I have stated then you are working in the wrong industry. You should be on wall street with the rest of the financial wizards that caused our economy to meltdown. And for the record I hired in over 30 years ago and many of those years I made about $700 a week before taxes ,not including the weeks I spent on subpay which is at least $100 less. Please expand on how one turns that into a million dollars. Are you talking about a million in assets like a house? You mean like my first house that I bought for 85k sold 12 years later for 150k.Then 10 years after that still the same 150k because of the housing collapse? And just who is this "commie" you are talking about? Not one candidate claims to be a communist. Who Bernie Sanders? You know that dirty commie who thinks healthcare,decent wages,college and and end to senseless wars owed to all people? That is right I said OWED to fellow human beings. Humans have a right to things like water the kind of things companies want to privatize.Maybe hopefully Ill live to see the day when the rich no longer exist. They do nothing but take from the people that actually do all the work. My God what would happen if all the greedy rich pricks in the world vanished????? NOTHING the world would continue on with a lot less misery.

A few years ago or so, I put on this forum that the Focus transmission problems were going to seriously damage Ford's reputation and cause many buyers, most of which are first time buyers to swear off Ford for good. Someone, I forget who posted in response, "Drama much?" Well... here you go. Read the articles and see. It is simply not just the people who bought the car that got burned, its also those who bought the car second hand, and between these people many were first time buyers (young) who will now never buy Ford again. At least if I got burned by this, I'd have other Fords I owned that I liked and may still consider Ford based on that. But these kids, will trash Ford to their friends too and they won't buy them either. Henry Ford was pretty explicit on how he viewed reputation. (You cant build a reputation based on something you say you're going to do.) It takes may years to build confidence in your product and one bad experience to lose it. Multiply this over seven years averaging 200,000 cars a year or so and all the used car experiences and that's a lot of angry people who are advising everyone they know to stay away from Ford. So drama much? Yes, I'd say so.

Sounds like they're going to announce an extended warranty today, which they should have done years ago. They did the TCM already.

That was quick! Detroit Free Press should win a major journalism award for their investigative reporting of Ford's DPS6 fiasco.

Boring (or ugly) styling is a standard feature for "crossovers". Freestyle/TaurusX evolved into a unibody Ford Explorer, which sold in decent numbers despite styling that was just as boring.The iconic Explorer nameplate certainly helped.

Some of those GM trucks with the front ends torn off were an improvement in the looks department ?