wescoent
Jan 28 2008, 01:18 PM
igor
Jan 28 2008, 01:22 PM


One thing is (IMO) confirmed - the 09/10 MKZ will NOT have unique look - it will continue to share the profile with Fusion and Milan. That is not the best situation, but I think it is acceptable for now.
Igor
wescoent
Jan 28 2008, 01:28 PM
I wasn't really expecting anything too dramatic in terms of changing the greenhouse. A new exterior skin to match the rest of the Lincoln family, the 3.7L V6, some further chassis refinement, and a nice new interior is all this car really needs.
Once more new Lincoln products hit showrooms, MKZ sales will begin picking up.
NickF1011
Jan 28 2008, 01:32 PM
QUOTE(igor @ Jan 28 2008, 01:22 PM)

One thing is (IMO) confirmed - the 09/10 MKZ will NOT have unique look - it will continue to share the profile with Fusion and Milan. That is not the best situation, but I think it is acceptable for now.
Igor
I don't think it's too critical that it look ENTIRELY different from the Fusion/Milan in profile. I think the more important thing here is that Lincoln is making short work of giving its entire lineup a SINGLE design identity. With a single styling theme, it will more quickly be described as "that's a Lincoln" instead of "that's a rebadged Fusion". I wonder how long we'll have to wait to see this face on the MKX or Navigator? I sure hope they fix the Navi SOON.
calypsocoral
Jan 28 2008, 01:34 PM
QUOTE(wescoent @ Jan 28 2008, 01:28 PM)

I wasn't really expecting anything too dramatic in terms of changing the greenhouse. A new exterior skin to match the rest of the Lincoln family, the 3.7L V6, some further chassis refinement, and a nice new interior is all this car really needs.
Once more new Lincoln products hit showrooms, MKZ sales will begin picking up.
I'm not entirely sure what, but the MKZ needs SOMETHING to make it feel less like a dressed-up Fusion.
CD3 is a good chassis, I just wish they could tighten up the front overhang, make it look a little more athletic.
But, I know there is only so much you can do with a front-driver...
DCK
Jan 28 2008, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(igor @ Jan 28 2008, 01:22 PM)

One thing is (IMO) confirmed - the 09/10 MKZ will NOT have unique look - it will continue to share the profile with Fusion and Milan. That is not the best situation, but I think it is acceptable for now.
Igor
There was no question it would sport the same profile, The MKZ and the MKX won't differentiate from their ford counterparts like the MKS does until they are completely redone.
igor
Jan 28 2008, 01:58 PM
PS: I talked about rear headrests before - note - in these mules - not only do they have adjustable rear headrests, but they have THREE of them - quite a sight unseen on models that are not sold in Europe (see: Malibu, Accord, Camry, Altima(not even adjutable) etc).
Igor
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 03:01 PM
They're not mules. They're prototypes.
akirby
Jan 28 2008, 03:11 PM
I'd be satisifed with a MKS style grille, new LED taillights, a MKS style interior with at least some of the MKS goodies (keyless go, integrated hidden keypad, adaptive HIDs, SelectShift, AdvanceTrac, etc.) plus the 3.7L engine.
Critic
Jan 28 2008, 03:35 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 03:01 PM)

They're not mules. They're prototypes.
Correct mules are drug transportation device's.
Also the sub-title of this thread hit the nail on the head with calling the grill Baleen. That's exactly what it looks like. A Cheap way to try to call it a Lincoln. If anything they could have spent whatever it would cost to get away from just a cheap plastic look to the grill. Anyone can throw plastic on the front of some sheet-metal. Some Mark's had distinctive headlights, grills and taillights. At least the MKX has that for the front and rear til '011. Then it will look like a Whales mouth also. But this new Baleen look is wearing thin, before the model's are even out.
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(Critic @ Jan 28 2008, 03:35 PM)

Correct mules are drug transportation device's.
Also the sub-title of this thread hit the nail on the head with calling the grill Baleen. That's exactly what it looks like. A Cheap way to try to call it a Lincoln. If anything they could have spent whatever it would cost to get away from just a cheap plastic look to the grill. Anyone can throw plastic on the front of some sheet-metal. Some Mark's had distinctive headlights, grills and taillights. At least the MKX has that for the front and rear til '011. Then it will look like a Whales mouth also. But this new Baleen look is wearing thin, before the model's are even out.
Baleen grill...

that krills me every time.....
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 02:37 PM)

Baleen grill...

that krills me every time.....
AAAAGGH NO PUNS!!!!!!!!
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 03:50 PM
QUOTE(Critic @ Jan 28 2008, 02:35 PM)

A Cheap way to try to call it a Lincoln. If anything they could have spent whatever it would cost to get away from just a cheap plastic look to the grill.
Oh c'mon ALL grilles look cheap and plastic these days. Even the Benz ones.
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 03:53 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 03:50 PM)

Oh c'mon ALL grilles look cheap and plastic these days. Even the Benz ones.
true story...saw a new C class at the gas pump the other day...actually a pretty car...but grills be grills, and at least Lincons "new" styling take is distinctive and head and shouldrs above previous waterfall iterations....most grills are pretty generic...
Edstock
Jan 28 2008, 03:56 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 03:37 PM)

Baleen grill...

that krills me every time.....
It's a strong visual statement that doesn't flounder in a sea filled with stylistic minnows. Eventually, you'll be able to buy a turbot-charged version.
NickF1011
Jan 28 2008, 04:27 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 03:49 PM)

AAAAGGH NO PUNS!!!!!!!!
Alright. We'll clam it.
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 04:29 PM
No more rhyming, and I mean it!!!!
Critic
Jan 28 2008, 04:30 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 03:37 PM)

Baleen grill...

that krills me every time.....
QUOTE(Edstock @ Jan 28 2008, 03:56 PM)

It's a strong visual statement that doesn't flounder in a sea filled with stylistic minnows. Eventually, you'll be able to buy a turbot-charged version.

Where do they get these wonderful words?
NickF1011
Jan 28 2008, 04:34 PM
QUOTE(Critic @ Jan 28 2008, 04:30 PM)

Where do they get these wonderful words?

Where does he get these wonderful toys???
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 04:36 PM
Can you see all of Jack Nicholson's teeth in that pic?
NickF1011
Jan 28 2008, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 04:36 PM)

Can you see all of Jack Nicholson's teeth in that pic?
He was trying to immitate the new Lincoln grille. He truly is a visionary!!
danup
Jan 28 2008, 04:39 PM
I like the new Lincoln grille--as an Oldsmobile fan I should, heh--but I'll miss the MKX's grille, which I like more.
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 04:40 PM
What is it with Ford? Only this company can make an ugly car uglier.
Oops. My bad. I forgot about the Monte Carlo.
TomServo92
Jan 28 2008, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 03:29 PM)

No more rhyming, and I mean it!!!!
Anybody want a peanut?
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 04:50 PM
Good luck storming the castle!!!
MarkFive
Jan 28 2008, 04:56 PM
QUOTE(danup @ Jan 28 2008, 04:39 PM)

I like the new Lincoln grille--as an Oldsmobile fan I should, heh--but I'll miss the MKX's grille, which I like more.
As an Oldsmobile fan, you must be happy that Oldsmobile copied the original Lincoln Zephyr split grill.
igor
Jan 28 2008, 04:59 PM
QUOTE(NickF1011 @ Jan 28 2008, 04:34 PM)

Where does he get these wonderful toys???

that is not the Lincoln grille he is predicting (pre-visioning) .. it is the Fisker Karma grille:

Igor
danup
Jan 28 2008, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(MarkFive @ Jan 28 2008, 05:56 PM)

As an Oldsmobile fan, you must be happy that Oldsmobile copied the original Lincoln Zephyr split grill.
Wow, somebody's touchy. I wasn't claiming Lincoln ripped anybody off, and I've heard all about the Zephyr, thanks, although I still think the current look resembles (coincidentally, again) the, uh, Oldsmobile MKSilhouette more than anything.

And anyway my personal favorite
didn't have a grille to copy.
RichardJensen
Jan 28 2008, 05:11 PM

that or Cesar Romero's made-up mustache from the Batman TV series
Mark B. Morrow
Jan 28 2008, 05:13 PM
QUOTE(RichardJensen @ Jan 28 2008, 09:50 PM)

Good luck storming the castle!!!
Shut up Witch.
I'm not a Witch I'm your wife.
(Not necessarily mutually exclusive)
Mark B. Morrow
Jan 28 2008, 05:25 PM
My Barracuda was in the shop
So I was in a rented Stingray
And it was overheating
So I pulled into a Shell Station
They said I'd blown a seal
I said "Fix the damn thing
And leave my private life out of it
Okay pal"?
http://www.com-www.com/musiclyrics/addottakip-wetdream.htmlBest pun song ever
Critic
Jan 28 2008, 05:37 PM
silvrsvt
Jan 28 2008, 05:37 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 04:40 PM)

What is it with Ford? Only this company can make an ugly car uglier.
Oops. My bad. I forgot about the Monte Carlo.
And you can tell that with all that camo on it? Oh I forgot, your not missing an opperunty to make a dig at a non-UAW produced car...
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 05:42 PM
QUOTE(silvrsvt @ Jan 28 2008, 05:37 PM)

And you can tell that with all that camo on it? Oh I forgot, your not missing an opperunty to make a dig at a non-UAW produced car...
Here is a UAW car.
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/cont...ampaign_id=yhooI told you. I don't care who assemblies them. Most Ford products being sold today are inferior to the competition. The stock price and sales numbers prove me right.
P71_CrownVic
Jan 28 2008, 05:53 PM
I'm glad to see that they are making the trunk lid out of reflectors...

And FWIW, the UAW is one of the most damaging things to ever happen to the U.S. auto industry.
MarkFive
Jan 28 2008, 05:54 PM
QUOTE(Critic @ Jan 28 2008, 05:37 PM)

Every company has come out with a zinger every once in a while.
Here is the '56 Packard Predictor Prototype

Here is an early Edsel drawling looking a lot like a Packard Predictor

And here's proof that one company producing 2 tons of ugly doesn't mean another company can prevent the same thing from happening later on....
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 05:56 PM
QUOTE(P71_CrownVic @ Jan 28 2008, 05:53 PM)

And FWIW, the UAW is one of the most damaging things to ever happen to the U.S. auto industry.
No, the Big 3's management are the most damaging things ever to happen to the U.S. auto industry. Every problem can be traced straight back to their board rooms.
MarkFive
Jan 28 2008, 05:58 PM
QUOTE(danup @ Jan 28 2008, 05:09 PM)

Wow, somebody's touchy. I wasn't claiming Lincoln ripped anybody off, and I've heard all about the Zephyr, thanks, although I still think the current look resembles (coincidentally, again) the, uh, Oldsmobile MKSilhouette more than anything.

And anyway my personal favorite
didn't have a grille to copy.
Not touchy - I've seen many posts prior saying that Lincoln is copying Oldsmobile.
As for the Aurora, that was indeed a nice car!
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(P71_CrownVic @ Jan 28 2008, 05:53 PM)

I'm glad to see that they are making the trunk lid out of reflectors...

And FWIW, the UAW is one of the most damaging things to ever happen to the U.S. auto industry.
perhaps, but a double edged sword, initially there to preserve workers rights and entitlements then a classic case of becoming too powerful/ leveraging/ demands etc and now its coming the full circle...they HAVE to compromise or POOF!...not a fan of unions ....but understand their "necessity".......
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 06:00 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 05:56 PM)

No, the Big 3's management are the most damaging things ever to happen to the U.S. auto industry. Every problem can be traced straight back to their board rooms.
BS and power mongers on both sides of that coin P, ZERO innocent parties.....one word...GREED!
Critic
Jan 28 2008, 06:02 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 05:56 PM)

No, the Big 3's management are the most damaging things ever to happen to the U.S. auto industry. Every problem can be traced straight back to their board rooms.
DUH! that's always easy to say.
But the real reason for Ford's troubles is ME!
All me, no one else. I was the cause and reason, so now that the problem has been identified, lets move on.
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 06:25 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 06:00 PM)

one word...GREED!
You mean like outrageous dealer mark-ups on 2005 Mustangs, Shelby Cobras, and GT's?
BORG
Jan 28 2008, 06:26 PM
I'm mostly interested in the new interior and hoping the rear-end update looks good. I honestly believe the rear is one of it's most attractive features, particularly at night. The new nose looks better than the overly saggy MKT fascia and better than the pointy MKS snout.
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 06:30 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 06:25 PM)

You mean like outrageous dealer mark-ups on 2005 Mustangs, Shelby Cobras, and GT's?

hey i don't condone that crap either ...but it is what it is REGARDLESS of manufacture....and if you cant pay, you can't play.......
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 06:33 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 06:30 PM)

if you cant pay, you can't play.......
Is that why you bought an import, and not what you sell?
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 06:33 PM)

Is that why you bought an import, and not what you sell?

hey Mr Positive wev'e covered those subjects numerous times....you were wrong / out of line and screamed like a bluefaced baby that needed lasik...kinda weird for you, usuually you have something truley uplifting....Verve is coming, i may be interested, and you drive what yourself? If you are going to post bring something to the table and quit just trying to instigate arguments for absolutely no reason other than using it as a way of getting over the fact your sister beats you up and shes only 4.
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 06:50 PM
QUOTE(Deanh @ Jan 28 2008, 06:42 PM)

and you drive what yourself?
Is my signature not self explanatory enough?
Bash me all you want about the Liberty. If it wasn't for crooked salespeople like yourself, my wife would have never been fooled into leasing it. Even so, living just north of Toledo, that Liberty has contributed more to my local economy than any Mexicar or Brazil built car ever would.
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 06:54 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 06:50 PM)

Is my signature not self explanatory enough?
Bash me all you want about the Liberty. If it wasn't for crooked salespeople like yourself, my wife would have never been fooled into leasing it. Even so, living just north of Toledo, that Liberty has contributed more to my local economy than any Mexicar or Brazil built car ever would.
not bashing you...youre just a hypocrite....crooked???? sheesh P "namecalling", you have serious issues...get help mate, or get a refill for the meds.....argue with someone that actually takes you seriously...
Pioneer
Jan 28 2008, 07:41 PM
If you look "hypocrite" up in the dictionary, you get a picture of a Ford car salesman sitting in his brand new Mini.
Deanh
Jan 28 2008, 07:46 PM
QUOTE(Pioneer @ Jan 28 2008, 07:41 PM)

If you look "hypocrite" up in the dictionary, you get a picture of a Ford car salesman sitting in his brand new Mini.

.........initial response deleted.....I was unfortunately stooping to Pioneers juvenile level with name calling, sand kicking and signlanguage, your mom must be proud Neer........for those wondering, Pioneer accused me of being a hypocrite as to me choosing a Cooper S over the SVT focus at the time of my purchase....this after a Mustang, an F-150, and a Ranger.....makes perfect sense to someone lacking in the common sense department that drives a Jeep......unlike my argumantative compatriot I am still happy with my choice, I bought from a nice exceptionally crooked ( as ALL salespeople are ) sales rep, and paid WINDOW sticker after a 9 month wait....but recently it seems Ford is FINALLY acknowledging the importance of the "compact" market and adressing a segment in which they have NOT been competitive or desirable for too long......so, if that equates to myself being a Hypocrite in some twisted minds than i guess He must be right....the shame.....still like the guy, he just has a way of making all those in contact feel all warm and fuzzy, Anthony Robins take heed....this guy is Motivation and positivity 101........
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