g48150 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 How about a BOSS F-150? I have a 2003 Lightning and I desperately want something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I'de like to see a new Lightning as well. I was originally looking for a Lightning when I bought my XP8 but I couldn't find one anywhere around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLaudioF150 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) They better come up with something. I remember watching a TV show where an SVT spokesman was talking about the 2003 Lightning and boasting about being the leaders and mentioning, "Where's the competition?" blah blah Then they got it in a form of a high dollar, high Hp Dodge SRT RAM. And now... Try Toyotas definition of a sport truck: Supercharged, 580hp, and 6spd. Coming soon. Edited December 31, 2006 by JLaudioF150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) They better come up with something. I remember watching a TV show where an SVT spokesman was talking about the 2003 Lightning and boasting about being the leaders and mentioning, "Where's the competition?" blah blah Then they got it in a form of a high dollar, high Hp Dodge SRT RAM. And now... Try Toyotas definition of a sport truck: Supercharged, 580hp, and 6spd. Coming soon. What do you base this info on? Edited December 31, 2006 by Blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2D Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Toyo will have to do a lot better than that if they plan on selling that BIG RED pickup truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SysEng Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Toyo will have to do a lot better than that if they plan on selling that BIG RED pickup truck Agreed. Toyota's "legendary" rubber band motors are a big reason Ford can get away with some of the dumb moves they've pulled recently. That and Nissans aluminum ( in a truck :huh: ??? ) block engine doesn't really hurt Ford much... yet... But not to worry. insisting on low balling the customer with 3v heads and coming up with Dodge Ver.2.0 dual plug "hurricane" designs should give Toyota and Nissan a fighting chance. :missing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLaudioF150 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 What do you base this info on? Me, myself, and I. That's just Toyota's TRD pickup from the SEMA show last year. But, before everyone discredits this thing, it IS from TRD (not some aftermarket team looking to promote their parts, etc.) Second, that engine is found in the Baja racing Tundra. So the parts may/will be available and there is no telling for sure that this Toyota TRD Tundra will NEVER make it. Wanna bet it will? I would have been thrilled to see an SVT F150 there. So there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Me, myself, and I. That's just Toyota's TRD pickup from the SEMA show last year. But, before everyone discredits this thing, it IS from TRD (not some aftermarket team looking to promote their parts, etc.) Second, that engine is found in the Baja racing Tundra. So the parts may/will be available and there is no telling for sure that this Toyota TRD Tundra will NEVER make it. Wanna bet it will? I would have been thrilled to see an SVT F150 there. So there. So basically Toyota nor any media outlet ever claimed to be building a "580 horse Tundra", you just pulled it out of your ass. why not say so? Why make it look like you read this somewhere? SVT is dead until we get some sort of official announcement from FORD saying they are going to be building a bunch of SVT vehicles soon, and hae something to show for it. From what I know, there's better chance of us getting hit by a 6 mile wide asteroid.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon lover Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Agreed. Toyota's "legendary" rubber band motors are a big reason Ford can get away withsome of the dumb moves they've pulled recently. That and Nissans aluminum ( in a truck :huh: ??? ) block engine doesn't really hurt Ford much... yet... But not to worry. insisting on low balling the customer with 3v heads and coming up with Dodge Ver.2.0 dual plug "hurricane" designs should give Toyota and Nissan a fighting chance. :missing: Toyota, Toyota, Toyota............... dammed! this topic is about Toyota or F-150? Toyota fans go to Toyota web page...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenp77 Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Agreed. Toyota's "legendary" rubber band motors are a big reason Ford can get away withsome of the dumb moves they've pulled recently. That and Nissans aluminum ( in a truck :huh: ??? ) block engine doesn't really hurt Ford much... yet... But not to worry. insisting on low balling the customer with 3v heads and coming up with Dodge Ver.2.0 dual plug "hurricane" designs should give Toyota and Nissan a fighting chance. :missing: Syseng: Have you heard anymore about the 6.2L boss engine are they going to re-engineer the heads so you can get the plugs out or is it going to be apush rod engine or is it going to happen at all???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SysEng Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Syseng: Have you heard anymore about the 6.2L boss engine are they going to re-engineer the heads so you can get the plugs out or is it going to be apush rod engine or is it going to happen at all???? Only whats been discussed in another thread on BON ( with pictures ). So far, it looks like another OHC ( not OHV ) engine somewhat like the mods, but obviously much improved. There appears to be a DOHC4V head for it, but apparently some goof also designed a 2V head with 2 spark plugs in it. ALL RUMOR of course, althought the thread has some pics. As to whether anything happens at Ford, I suspect thats purely a $$$ and cents type of question. As in does Ford have the $$$ to do anything? Market wise, they are on the brink. So if they actually can do anything, they probabaly will. Like I said above; with Toyota and Nissan ( along with GMC and DCX ) in that market ( weak hands that they may be ), all the competition needs is for Ford to hand it to them by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Agreed. Toyota's "legendary" rubber band motors are a big reason Ford can get away withsome of the dumb moves they've pulled recently. That and Nissans aluminum ( in a truck :huh: ??? ) block engine doesn't really hurt Ford much... yet... But not to worry. insisting on low balling the customer with 3v heads and coming up with Dodge Ver.2.0 dual plug "hurricane" designs should give Toyota and Nissan a fighting chance. :missing: Hurricane is not close to a Dodge. You should know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Hurricane is not close to a Dodge. You should know that. Is the Hurricane on schedule and will it be a disappointment or a surprise? Just wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SysEng Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hurricane is not close to a Dodge. You should know that. You'd hope a Hemi and a Hurricane weren't too similar but ... 2valves 2 plugs, different valve train, same crap. Ford needs to get with the market here. DOHC4V all the way... and one plug please :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 You'd hope a Hemi and a Hurricane weren't too similar but ... 2valves 2 plugs, different valve train, same crap. Ford needs to get with the market here. DOHC4V all the way... and one plug please :rolleyes: I have a hard time seeing where an overhead cam engine and a pushrod motor can be refered to as "same crap". Anyway, I would not be surprised to see the Hurricane or Boss or whatever they call it being offered in multiple configurations similar to the current mod V-8s. That way you could have a 2 or 3 valve design for use in trucks and RWD sedans that would offer a high torque output as opposed to high HP, high RPM and at a much lower cost than a 4 valve , dual overhead cam design. Save the high dollar stuff for SVT and/or Shelby. Maybe you make a 5.0L 3V for the Mustang GT , some 4-door RWD sedans and it would also be the base enigine in the trucks. Then you offer a 5.0L 4V for the Boss 302, a 6.2L 3V as the optional truck motor and a 6.2L 4V for the really high HP (Shelby, Navigator, Lightning, etc.) requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SysEng Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I have a hard time seeing where an overhead cam engine and a pushrod motor can be refered to as "same crap".... Save the high dollar stuff for SVT and/or Shelby. Psst. Look at that red thing at the beginning of this thread. Yeah that thing with the Toyota label on it. Guess what? Yup, DOHC4V standard. See where their low end stuff might beat your high end stuff? The biggest drawback to Toyota today is the idiots still use a rubber belt :huh: to drive their cams . If and when they smarten up, Ford might just have a rather large marketing problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsaylor Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I've been thinking that a hi-po Ford pickup revival might be nice as well. But the upcoming V-12 TDi Q5 got me to thinking, the next Lightning might make more sense with diesel power. A CGI, TDi V-8 between 6-7 liters of displacement making ~500hp and ~700lb ft of torque through a six speed automatic with awd would really make for a truck flagship, and it would bring attention to Ford's diesel truck lineup, which needs to expand considerably. Yeah, it would be pure sensationalism...right now Ford could use a bit of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basnetgl Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 Doesn't Roush do some work with Ford F-150's? I thought that some of the Roush level one through level three packages are offered; available with an ordered vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WXM69 Posted January 16, 2007 Share Posted January 16, 2007 (edited) Ford should just build this bad boy. Click on prototype donut video. Edited January 16, 2007 by WXM69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford1 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Psst. Look at that red thing at the beginning of this thread. Yeah that thing with the Toyota label on it. Guess what? Yup, DOHC4V standard. See where their low end stuff might beat your high end stuff? The biggest drawback to Toyota today is the idiots still use a rubber belt :huh: to drive their cams . If and when they smarten up, Ford might just have a rather large marketing problem... The toyota engine is chain drive not belt..... http://www.autoblog.com/photos/toyota-tundra-crewmax/126288/ Thats why ford need to get the boss 6.2 out ASAP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford1 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ford should just build this bad boy. Click on prototype donut video. That is a AWSOME ride!! But I would want a Boss 6.2 in mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsaylor Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 That is a AWSOME ride!! But I would want a Boss 6.2 in mine! That is a neat ride, and I think a swb F-250 would be kinda cool, but it isn;t really a good recipe for a true high performance truck. The F150 would be a better basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Psst. Look at that red thing at the beginning of this thread. Yeah that thing with the Toyota label on it. Guess what? Yup, DOHC4V standard. See where their low end stuff might beat your high end stuff? Typical Toyota can do no wrong mentality. Just because Toyota does it that makes it right? Why spend the money on extra valves and cams when they aren't necessary in a truck? Since when is it required or even advisable to have an engine capable of 7000 RPM in a daily driver or work truck? An engine can produce adequate and efficient torque at a usable RPM without resorting to dual cams and 4 valves per cylinder. If you don't want to consider Ford's engine designs then look at the engines GM and Chrysler use in their full size trucks. How many of those use more than two valves per cylinder? The average truck buyer couldn't care less about high performance. They want a truck, not a sports car. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford1 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Typical Toyota can do no wrong mentality. Just because Toyota does it that makes it right? Why spend the money on extra valves and cams when they aren't necessary in a truck? Since when is it required or even advisable to have an engine capable of 7000 RPM in a daily driver or work truck? An engine can produce adequate and efficient torque at a usable RPM without resorting to dual cams and 4 valves per cylinder. If you don't want to consider Ford's engine designs then look at the engines GM and Chrysler use in their full size trucks. How many of those use more than two valves per cylinder? The average truck buyer couldn't care less about high performance. They want a truck, not a sports car. :rolleyes: Well I guess im not average..........I want performance in my truck! Oh buy the way I work my truck everday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
controller Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Just read in the "What We've Heard" column of Truck Trend that there's a rumor the Boss has been canceled for truck use and will be reserved for just the Mustang. Any truth to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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