glassman Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 :slap: Is it true that Mark Vanderveen and Nardozzi got fired from Oakville Assembly Plant ,two superintendents,that should of been gone long time ago since they don't have a clue about cars or people. They would try to manage people the old fashion way of intimidation,do it or your fired attitude, which doesn't work in todays day and age. Some person said they saw security escorting them out ,but is it really true. :stats: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Whoever's pulling the trigger needs to aim a wee bit higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who me Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Yep... it's true. An official email went out to the whole organization. " left the company" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Any idea if this is linked to the Edge delay? Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PStroked Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Whoever's pulling the trigger needs to aim a wee bit higher. Wonder if "Frankie G" is next ? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin 707 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 No this is not in reaction to the delay of the edge it is obviously because of the sharp drop in sales of the Pinto and Bobcat...This unexpected turn in the market cost these fine gentlemen....Maybe Mark can sell fruits and veggies roadside like the dutch community always does.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTPisdead Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I better not see those two freaks when I walk in on Monday, unless they are thumbin it on the QEW. How many times have we heard some loser from lower management has been fired, and then see them here again the next day?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I better not see those two freaks when I walk in on Monday, unless they are thumbin it on the QEW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibew124/uaw249 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 :slap: Is it true that Mark Vanderveen and Nardozzi got fired from Oakville Assembly Plant ,two superintendents,that should of been gone long time ago since they don't have a clue about cars or people. They would try to manage people the old fashion way of intimidation,do it or your fired attitude, which doesn't work in todays day and age. Some person said they saw security escorting them out ,but is it really true. :stats: We had Paul Nardozzi here at KCAP. He was not liked! He was not nice! He was an @$%hole! You reap what you sew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulik Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 They are both pieces if %$$@, thank god they are gone. :happy feet: :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charly Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 They are both pieces if %$$@, thank god they are gone. :happy feet: :happy feet: They are/were the least of our worries, just 2 fall guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 They are/were the least of our worries, just 2 fall guys. 1st guy to figure it out. Just a smoke screen for the guys at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxrun Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Its a good start, now finish the job Allan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windstar1961 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Its a good start, now finish the job Allan. Easy to say and hard to do. We have no idea how things are done in the upper management. Wait and see what is next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangreal Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 (edited) Easy to say and hard to do. We have no idea how things are done in the upper management. Wait and see what is next. If Allan or Mark don't know who is Ultimately responsible for the mess at OAC shame on both of them. This obsolete,archaic way of managing By Frank Garneau will never work in todays work place, I thought Ford wanted to empower their work force not deprogram them. Allan himself has said numerous times we need open lines of communication, transparaency between all levels of management and union. But this looks like to me the plant manager is trying to hide the problems or blame them on the union. I have worked here at OAC for many years and I must say that our work force has never been so committed to building this product with the highest Quality possible and they all know we are in a fight for our and FORDS survial. Let's hope they make changes and have the right people in place to make it happen. They has purged two of the three stooges, now let's gas the last one before he screws up the lanuch of the Edge, MXK, our future and also Ford. FRANK GARNEAU Your people are the HEART of your business-----Give them the tools to succeed and we will all prosper Edited November 19, 2006 by Sangreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassman Posted November 19, 2006 Author Share Posted November 19, 2006 If Allan or Mark don't know who is Ultimately responsible for the mess at OAC shame on both of them. This obsolete,archaic way of managing By Frank Garneau will never work in todays work place, I thought Allan Mualley wanted to empower their work force not deprogram them. He has purged two of the three stooges, now let's gas the last one before he fucks up the lanuch of the Edge, MXK and also Ford. FRANK GARNEAU :rip: Rumor has it :titanic: F Garneau is to be gone by the new year and :bowdown: Dale Wishwashy is supposed to take over, and we can only hope he remembers what happened to P.N.AND M.V. and that could happen to him if he gets to feel the same love of F.G. BOOhoo :stats: :devil2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windstar1961 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 If Allan or Mark don't know who is Ultimately responsible for the mess at OAC shame on both of them. This obsolete,archaic way of managing By Frank Garneau will never work in todays work place, I thought Ford wanted to empower their work force not deprogram them. Allan himself has said numerous times we need open lines of communication, transparaency between all levels of management and union. Do you believe in everything they say? Please don't do that, what they try to do is cover their butts lying to the people(investors, workers etc.) But this looks like to me the plant manager is trying to hide the problems or blame them on the union. Nothing new, only the blind canot see it. I have worked here at OAC for many years and I must say that our work force has never been so committed to building this product with the highest Quality possible and they all know we are in a fight for our and FORDS survial. Let's try and have the right people in place to make it happen. That's a tough one to chew, i have seen good and bad in our plant, we need to change our mentality too. They has purged two of the three stooges, now let's gas the last one before he screws up the lanuch of the Edge, MXK, our future and also Ford. Before it's too late. FRANK GARNEAU Your people are the HEART of your business-----Give them the tools to succeed and we will all prosper Maybe the good times are coming for the good of all(company and us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangreal Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 (edited) windstar 1961 Yes I agree with you we all have to do a better job and change are mentality, but it has to start at the top and it will filter down. Quote Allan M ---Ford employees didn't do anything wrong,the situation is management fault, we are absolutely responsible for the business. Edward Deming and Toyota's philosophies CHANGE STARTS AT THE TOP YOU ARE RIGHT WE DO NEED TO CHANGE ALSO, BUT IF WE GET THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP, I BELIEVE WE CAN GO TO THE TOP OF THE AUTO INDUSTRY AGAIN AND RESTORE THIS COMPANY BACK TO IT"S ONCE PROUD STATE. Edited November 19, 2006 by Sangreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin 707 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I am sure the first bunch of Millwright pricks working non-mandatory overtime while tradesman laid off should be coming to the forefront very soon...as one has stated ofcourse he'll work "he has car payments" The guy who is going to post the names said he'll only do with photo proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzi Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Every week I walk in and hear that some managment got fired. A few hours later it turns out to be false. I'll believe it when after a week, neither one returns. It was a month ago that Vanderveen was escorted off property by security. Rumor was he was fired, turned out he worked too many hours. We'll see in a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migrane1 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Whoever's pulling the trigger needs to aim a wee bit higher. Hey....you give us back our plant manager! Ken is a great guy. At least ya didn't send Gorneau back. Thanks. Regards, Wayne Stamping & Assembly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) If Allan or Mark don't know who is Ultimately responsible for the mess at OAC shame on both of them. This obsolete,archaic way of managing By Frank Garneau will never work in todays work place, I thought Ford wanted to empower their work force not deprogram them. Allan himself has said numerous times we need open lines of communication, transparaency between all levels of management and union. But this looks like to me the plant manager is trying to hide the problems or blame them on the union. I have worked here at OAC for many years and I must say that our work force has never been so committed to building this product with the highest Quality possible and they all know we are in a fight for our and FORDS survial. Let's hope they make changes and have the right people in place to make it happen. They has purged two of the three stooges, now let's gas the last one before he screws up the lanuch of the Edge, MXK, our future and also Ford. FRANK GARNEAU Your people are the HEART of your business-----Give them the tools to succeed and we will all prosper You do really have a way with words. You are good. In my opinon, you really need to look at the bigger picture. Is FMC really run by a bunch of bozos? I don't think so. Try and see an alterior motive to everything that they do. Edited November 20, 2006 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBCANADIAN Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 You do really have a way with words. You are good. In my opinon, you really need to look at the bigger picture. Is FMC really run by a bunch of bozos? I don't think so. Try and see an alterior motive to everything that they do. Hi trimdingman how's it going today,I agree he does have away with works, but I think he is turely close to what is going on at OAC. He is not saying Allan M or Mark F are the problem or that they are bozos,he just wants them to look at the one common denominator and I think it's Frank Garneau. He is looking at the big picture and that is our future as well as FMC. He is a senior worker at OAC and it will not affect him that much, so I think the only motive he would have is to see FMC turn itself around and scure the memberships futrue OAC. Just my thoughts, haven't been here to long but I hope I will be PS Good luck to all the brothers in the USA and Canada I will PRAY for you and your families, GOD BE with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSVT Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I am sure the first bunch of Millwright pricks working non-mandatory overtime while tradesman laid off should be coming to the forefront very soon...as one has stated ofcourse he'll work "he has car payments" The guy who is going to post the names said he'll only do with photo proof Hmmm, I wonder who will be those 'pricks' union representative, and when are the pics being posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin 707 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hmmm, I wonder who will be those 'pricks' union representative, and when are the pics being posted? Don't know we will have to see...and that will be the issue of the guy posting not mine.. I sure hope these guys realize the impact of working non-madatory overtime while brothers and sisters are laid off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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