jpvbs Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Here is your chance to post your best guess (or absolute fact if so) before they announce them in LA in two weeks. We'll come back after the announcement and mock all those that are incorrect. :lol: For bragging rights, I'm going to go for top numbers across the board. I hope Ford will continue their current trend to shoot for best in class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I hope I am correct but I'd like to be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Even if the 3.7 works out at 290 hp, that an incredible V6 in a car roughly 400 lb lighter than the Camaro. Those V6 'Stangs will certainly "unsettle" a few unsuspecting V8 Camaro owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 the new SHELBY GT500 should have 600hp!!that will destroy the z/28 CRAPMARO if it comes out.FORD has to stay on top!! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marginal Economist Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 The V6 numbers on the vehicle are amazing. The V8 is great as well. The real shocker is when you get to see the HP numbers and the fuel economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 You guys had me all excited. I thought Ford was coming out with a 2011HP motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 The V6 numbers on the vehicle are amazing. The V8 is great as well. The real shocker is when you get to see the HP numbers and the fuel economy. Are we talking 30 MPG + for the V6 and 27-29 for the V8 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I just cant see that the base engine "daily driver" will be over 300hp. that's just fricking ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) I just cant see that the base engine "daily driver" will be over 300hp. that's just fricking ridiculous Why not? You can get Accords and Camrys with 260+ HP V6s in them. Hell you can get Naturally aspirated I4 bangers in a performance applications that put out 200 HP...the 98 Mustang GT only put out 210 HP when it was out! Not to mention that the V6 Camaro already puts out 300HP and the Challenger has 250HP Or should I call the Whammmblance now? Edited November 21, 2009 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Why not? You can get Accords and Camrys with 260+ HP V6s in them. Hell you can get Naturally aspirated I4 bangers in a performance applications that put out 200 HP...the 98 Mustang GT only put out 210 HP when it was out! Not to mention that the V6 Camaro already puts out 300HP and the Challenger has 250HP Or should I call the Whammmblance now? those CamCords are not base engines. They are upgrades. The same could be said for the Fusion. Has the 3.5 but also has the 175hp I4 as an availability. Im not saying it isnt possible. Im saying it's fricking ridiculous to have 300+ HP is a base model used as a daily driver. Unless of course there is an engine option below the V6 that is closer to 200-250hp Edited November 21, 2009 by J-150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Chryslers new V6 http://www.allpar.com/mopar/phoenix-engines.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Even if the 3.7 works out at 290 hp, that an incredible V6 in a car roughly 400 lb lighter than the Camaro.Those V6 'Stangs will certainly "unsettle" a few unsuspecting V8 Camaro owners. If they add the CTA CAM timing from the 3.0 L V-6 PIP engine to the 3.7 and it should get pretty close to 300 hp. I expect this technology to quickly move into all Ford OHC engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 If they add the CTA CAM timing from the 3.0 L V-6 PIP engine to the 3.7 and it should get pretty close to 300 hp. I expect this technology to quickly move into all Ford OHC engines. Wow, I never thought of that. Imagine a +300 hp V6 Mustang with 6-speed auto, could it equal the performance of the outgoing 4.6 V8? That's gotta be bad news for Camaro owners.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Wow, I never thought of that.Imagine a +300 hp V6 Mustang with 6-speed auto, could it equal the performance of the outgoing 4.6 V8? That's gotta be bad news for Camaro owners.... the bad news for Camaro owners is that they bought the wrong car in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 the bad news for Camaro owners is that they bought the wrong car in the first place. Worse still, they probably waited six years for it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Imagine a +300 hp V6 Mustang with 6-speed auto, could it equal the performance of the outgoing 4.6 V8? I doubt that would be the case. HP is not the whole story. While the 3.7L V6 might have hp numbers nearly as high as the outgoing 4.6L V8 I seriously doubt it will have much over 275 lb-ft of torque. That's 50 lb-ft less than the 4.6L 3V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkapeGote Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Sup, Yeah horsepower isn't everything. Torque is important aswell. Not to mention just because an engine makes the same power as another does not mean they make it at the same level. Get torque early is important, the v6 will make it further up the power band. Skape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Sup, Yeah horsepower isn't everything. Torque is important aswell. Not to mention just because an engine makes the same power as another does not mean they make it at the same level. Get torque early is important, the v6 will make it further up the power band. Skape CTA CAM timing adds the flexibility to achieve the best torque characteristics at both low and high RPM. The new mechanism is able to make adjustments much faster and to a greater degree than the traditional systems. The CTA system can provide 40 degrees more cam advance at 1,500 rpm and an additional 35 lb-ft of torque. According to Ford, the CTA system accounts for a 0.8 percent improvement in mileage thanks to elimination of a larger oil pump and the improved thermodynamic efficiency achieved by the variable cam timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Well, just compare the number of the previous gen Duratec 3.0L V6 with regular iVVT to the PIP one. The torque number went up by a good 10-15 lbs, or 7.5% or so. Take the current 265-270 lbs of torque in the 3.7L and add that percentage and you get a very generous 290 lbs. Now, when comparing the projected D37 numbers to the competition, we see that 290 lbs will be significantly ahead of where many of them are, even ones that have dual vvti + GDI. I have to say that I DO NOT expect the D37 to output any more than 280 lbs of torque on regular gas and perhaps 285 lbs on premium. If it does, I will be one of the more impressed people in the world with what ford has been able to achieve. When comparing the HP numbers, the increase is more significant, pushing 10+%. That nets about 300HP, not including any breathing advantages that the longitudinal mounting may bring with it. So, my best guess on the output number of the 3.7L engine in the mustang are as follows: 310 hp and 280 lbs of torque. Naturally aspirated, no GDI. With the appropriate tuning and parts changes, a GDI version of the same engine should be capable of 330HP and 300 lbs of torque. Yes, those numbers are quite close to the ecoboost 3.5L HP numbers, but, the torque curve will not even be close. I will not even make a guess on the Coyote. I'll be tickled pink if it's making 400HP and 375 lbs of torque, but I expect the numbers to be a bit more modest than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) 310 hp and 280 lbs of torque. Naturally aspirated, no GDI. With the appropriate tuning and parts changes, a GDI version of the same engine should be capable of 330HP and 300 lbs of torque. Yes, those numbers are quite close to the ecoboost 3.5L HP numbers, but, the torque curve will not even be close. I wonder if that engine combination is also intended for the new Ford Police interceptor, That would make the whole performance engine/AWD package much cheaper than EB. Edited November 23, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) The sad part is that everything anyone reads on the internet is pure speculation until we see a press release from Ford. If the actual numbers are much lower (and more realistic) there will be "clowns to the left, clowns to the right" complaining that Ford didn't keep their promises. Edited November 23, 2009 by blksn8k2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I just cant see that the base engine "daily driver" will be over 300hp. that's just fricking ridiculous But it comes without penalty to MPG or drivability vs. existing V6 so why complain about it? The likely Mustang buyers may not need 300 hp but they sure as hell won't mind having it. The same can be said about all modern cars... who needs a 175 hp Fusion with giant 2.5 liter engine when a 1.6 100 hp engine is plenty adequate for daily driver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 The same can be said about all modern cars... who needs a 175 hp Fusion with giant 2.5 liter engine when a 1.6 100 hp engine is plenty adequate for daily driver? bad example. 100hp Fusion wouldn't be able to get out of its' own way. so why compare a 100vs 175hp sedan with a 250vs300hp coupe? Again, not saying 300 cant be done, the question is why? Thats a lot of grunt for a basic 2 door daily driver. If someone really wanted that much power they wouldnt be looking at the base model. They'd head straight to the GT. 225-250hp is much more realistic and applying all of that technology to FE versus additional grunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Again, not saying 300 cant be done, the question is why? Thats a lot of grunt for a basic 2 door daily driver. If someone really wanted that much power they wouldnt be looking at the base model. They'd head straight to the GT. 225-250hp is much more realistic and applying all of that technology to FE versus additional grunt You answered your own question...you asked why...I answer, why not? I drive my Mustang GT every day to and from work and it has 305 HP and its very livable in every day driving...I don't go out when it snows though, just because once I stop I can't get going again Otherwise its fine in the snow if you take it easy with it. The 05+ Mustang is nothing like the older models...its a huge improvement over them in every way. Lets also not forget that Mustang GT automatically means higher insurance rates. Then your ignoring that the V6 Camaro has 300+ HP already If anything a 400HP Mustang GT is a bit overkill...only about 10 years ago that would be considered Super Car power... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 The sad part is that everything anyone reads on the internet is pure speculation until we see a press release from Ford. If the actual numbers are much lower (and more realistic) there will be "clowns to the left, clowns to the right" complaining that Ford didn't keep their promises. We know what the competition has just brought out. Ford will likely want to match them in Power. We know what Ford had brought out recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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