FordBuyer Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 SUPERIOR TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- Hyundai Motor Co. said Friday the 2011 Sonata sedan will lead all midsize cars in fuel economy. The Korean automaker expects the Sonata to get 35 mpg on the highway and 23 in the city. It will be equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission and a new direct-injection four cylinder engine. The Ford Fusion is the current leader for gasoline powered midsize cars at 34 mpg. Hyundai unveiled the engine Friday at its American technical center near Ann Arbor, Mich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 SUPERIOR TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- Hyundai Motor Co. said Friday the 2011 Sonata sedan will lead all midsize cars in fuel economy. The Korean automaker expects the Sonata to get 35 mpg on the highway and 23 in the city. It will be equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission and a new direct-injection four cylinder engine. The Ford Fusion is the current leader for gasoline powered midsize cars at 34 mpg. Hyundai unveiled the engine Friday at its American technical center near Ann Arbor, Mich. this sort of competition is GOOD for the consumer..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 The 2011 Sonata is a looker for the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 SUPERIOR TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- Hyundai Motor Co. said Friday the 2011 Sonata sedan will lead all midsize cars in fuel economy. The Korean automaker expects the Sonata to get 35 mpg on the highway and 23 in the city. It will be equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission and a new direct-injection four cylinder engine. The Ford Fusion is the current leader for gasoline powered midsize cars at 34 mpg. Hyundai unveiled the engine Friday at its American technical center near Ann Arbor, Mich. Will that 1.6/2.0 Ecoboost in the Fusion raise the bar to 37 mpg or even higher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Will that 1.6/2.0 Ecoboost in the Fusion raise the bar to 37 mpg or even higher? I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigner92 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Ecoboost hybrid?? 43-45mpg?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) SUPERIOR TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- Hyundai Motor Co. said Friday the 2011 Sonata sedan will lead all midsize cars in fuel economy. what they meant to say is that the 2011 Sonata will lead the 2010 competitive set in MPG. once they competition reveals their 2011 models, the Sonata wont be on top anymore. Besides, dont the Prius and Fusion hybrid do much better in FE? Which is fair to copare as Hyundai is claiming "ALL" midsize sedans" Edited November 21, 2009 by J-150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) Ecoboost hybrid?? 43-45mpg?? And then think what a 1.6/2.0 EB Hybrid would do for a Taurus....... Edited November 21, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 And then think what a 1.6/2.0 EB Hybrid would do for a Taurus....... absolutely nothing. its a big heavy car so a small engine like that would have the turbos spinning non-stop and it would constantly be revving at 3000+ rpm. not to mention the complaints of lack of power. people still piss and moan that the 3.0 in the FiveHundred/Freestyle was/is anemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 absolutely nothing. its a big heavy car so a small engine like that would have the turbos spinning non-stop and it would constantly be revving at 3000+ rpm. not to mention the complaints of lack of power. people still piss and moan that the 3.0 in the FiveHundred/Freestyle was/is anemic. I think you'd be wrong, the Ecoboost I4 in the Falcon has been very impressive from reports from jpd80... I'm sure that the Ecoboost I4 are going to be more impressive then you think..both with power and MPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I think you'd be wrong, the Ecoboost I4 in the Falcon has been very impressive from reports from jpd80... I'm sure that the Ecoboost I4 are going to be more impressive then you think..both with power and MPG so you think a 1.6 or 2.0 turbo in the Taurus will be more powerful in daily driving than the 3.0? Maybe they net out the same. But remember that the 3.0 was panned by most of the armchair CEOs here as being too weak and that the 3.5 couldn't get here soon enough. So do you really think that a turbo 4 putting out the same power as the 3.0 will be sufficient? And for a 2.0 turbo to get THAT much power would mean high rpms and frequently spinning turbo. Which would give it MPG no better than the 3.0 in such a heavy car. Look at truck engines. 4.9 and 4.2 V6s didnt return any better mileage than the 5.0 and 4.6s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 so you think a 1.6 or 2.0 turbo in the Taurus will be more powerful in daily driving than the 3.0? Maybe they net out the same. But remember that the 3.0 was panned by most of the armchair CEOs here as being too weak and that the 3.5 couldn't get here soon enough. So do you really think that a turbo 4 putting out the same power as the 3.0 will be sufficient? And for a 2.0 turbo to get THAT much power would mean high rpms and frequently spinning turbo. Which would give it MPG no better than the 3.0 in such a heavy car. Look at truck engines. 4.9 and 4.2 V6s didnt return any better mileage than the 5.0 and 4.6s I'm not so sure about that... Gear ratio, lower weight would be a player in the I4 vs V6 topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I'm not so sure about that... Gear ratio, lower weight would be a player in the I4 vs V6 topic. yes, but the suggestion was to drop a 1.6 or 2.0 turbo into the Taurus. cant lower the weight and changing the gear ratio would make it a dog on the highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 So do you really think that a turbo 4 putting out the same power as the 3.0 will be sufficient? Yes. I drove a 500 with the old 3.0 in it, and I did not find it underpowered at all. If the fuel economy is good enough, I would love to see a 2.0 EB Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgrau Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes. I drove a 500 with the old 3.0 in it, and I did not find it underpowered at all. If the fuel economy is good enough, I would love to see a 2.0 EB Taurus. I know the 3.0 had plenty of power but that was back when nothing was apparently as good as the chrysler 300 hemi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Ha It has a CVT...There goes the quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes. I drove a 500 with the old 3.0 in it, and I did not find it underpowered at all. If the fuel economy is good enough, I would love to see a 2.0 EB Taurus. FoA is working on the 2.0 EB Falcon - similar size and weight as Taurus. Two mules at present, both keep up well with 4.0 I-6 and fuel consumption is said to be similar to 4-speed auto Focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) absolutely nothing. its a big heavy car so a small engine like that would have the turbos spinning non-stop and it would constantly be revving at 3000+ rpm. not to mention the complaints of lack of power. people still piss and moan that the 3.0 in the FiveHundred/Freestyle was/is anemic. I said 1.6/2.0 Ecoboost Hybrid. The Fusion Hybrid with a NA 2.5 works just as well as a good V6 car, I haven't any reason to doubt that an I-4 Ecoboost Hybrid will be even better. Edited November 21, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I said 1.6/2.0 Ecoboost Hybrid. The Fusion Hybrid with a NA 2.5 works just as well as a good V6 car, I haven't any reason to doubt that an I-4 Ecoboost Hybrid will be even better. I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) yes, but the suggestion was to drop a 1.6 or 2.0 turbo into the Taurus. It's not a suggestion, an EB 2.0 in the Taurus and Falcon is happening. Taurus and Falcon both lose close to 200 lb when EB I-4 is fitted. In the Ford parallel universe I'd expect Taurus EB will lead the EB Falcon which arrives January 2011. So you won't have to wait too long..... Edited November 21, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 It's not a suggestion, an EB 2.0 in the Taurus and Falcon is happening.Taurus and Falcon both lose close to 200 lb when EB I-4 is fitted. In the Ford parallel universe I'd expect Taurus EB will lead the EB Falcon which arrives January 2011. So you won't have to wait too long..... I think I will. I dont see how we can have a new 4 pot in 2011 that will keep up to the 3.5 (which is very new) in power while using much less fuel AND have the same engine life when used in the Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 This is Ford's whole strategy to meet CAFE regulations, if you don't think it's going to work then maybe you should call Mulally / Kuzak / Fields and tell them you think their research is wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 This is Ford's whole strategy to meet CAFE regulations, if you don't think it's going to workthen maybe you should call Mulally / Kuzak / Fields and tell them you think their research is wrong.... good idea. maye I'll pick up the batphone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 The 3.0 in the 500 was more than adequate for the mass market. It performed at least as well or better than the best selling cars of the time - 4 cylinder Camrys and Accords. The problem was there was no optional engine to to please the enthusiast rags to step up to. The reason it did poorly was that it didn't really offer anything style or feature wise to set it apart and Ford didn't have the "quality and value" reputation to get by without them. I think it was reported a few months ago that the 2.0 EB would make somewhere around 260hp. I belive it was given in an article about the EB for the Falon. It was compared to GMs 3.0 DI V6. The EB made a few less hp (~10), but made more torque. I would think 260 (or even a bit less) with big broad EB powerband would feel fine for the typical buyer. Considering how many times I am sitting behind people merging onto the freeway at 40mph, more hp would just go to waste anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 good idea. maye I'll pick up the batphone... I hear Mulally is a Twitter man but I think he only answers messages full of praise for him and Ford........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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