Bob Rosadini Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 If you go on the Ford World website-specifically Brazil, it shows the Cargo as a current product- including tandem versions. As you "truck guys" know, the Cargo was originally an import and was eventually built at KTP after the C series went away. It was sold to Daimler with the rest of the big trucks in 98. So who builds the current Cargo? Is it built in a Ford plant or is it outsourced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I thought the North American rights went with the US based production equipment on the Cargo, and Ford kept it for everywhere else, particularly South America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I know in Europe the Cargo went to Iveco when Iveco bought Ford's British medium/heavy truck operations, sometime in the late 80's. I don't think Iveco kept the Cargo around too long, maybe someone knows for sure? In any event, the Cargo was not the truck the old C was, and it was not competitive with the larger Japanese cabovers either. The Freightliner produced domestic Cargo was an interesting truck. They only used the Ford cab, the chassis was a modified Freightliner FL design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I wish they would import them with the TC from turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Speaking of Iveco, now that Fiat is running Chrysler, Transport Topics reports that there may be a Ram spinoff of Dodge that will include a class 8 entry with help from Iveco (Fiat). Also, Ford comes in third -- albeit a distant third -- in class 6 & 7 after Freightliner and International. I wish I had made a copy of the article but I think Ford outdid Hino 1800 units to 1500 in class 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Speaking of Iveco, now that Fiat is running Chrysler, Transport Topics reports that there may be a Ram spinoff of Dodge that will include a class 8 entry with help from Iveco (Fiat). Also, Ford comes in third -- albeit a distant third -- in class 6 & 7 after Freightliner and International. I wish I had made a copy of the article but I think Ford outdid Hino 1800 units to 1500 in class 6. Yeah, that's a nice fairey tale about a class 8 Dodge. I am not looking for that one to happen. As for Hino, look for them to pass Ford up soon. They have a lot of new models coming, including class 4 and 5 LCF's, a vocational class 8 tandem conventional, and soon will be offering a lot of specialty conversions in conjunction with Fontaine Truck Equipment. Ford's (or Blue Diamond's) strategy of 'personal use' F-650's seems like a bad idea to me. None of the Internationals, the Ford Super Crewzer, or the Monroe converted GM mediums were successful. If Ford truly is serious about class 6 and 7, now is the time they really need to move on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 Yeah, that's a nice fairey tale about a class 8 Dodge. I am not looking for that one to happen. As for Hino, look for them to pass Ford up soon. They have a lot of new models coming, including class 4 and 5 LCF's, a vocational class 8 tandem conventional, and soon will be offering a lot of specialty conversions in conjunction with Fontaine Truck Equipment. Ford's (or Blue Diamond's) strategy of 'personal use' F-650's seems like a bad idea to me. None of the Internationals, the Ford Super Crewzer, or the Monroe converted GM mediums were successful. If Ford truly is serious about class 6 and 7, now is the time they really need to move on it.Agree on the fairy tale about Dodge and class 8- unless of course its a Fiat decision to test the water here i the US. i saw the TTopics article Joe referred to. It also correctly pointed out that Iveco builds COE class 8's - no conventionals- and high COE's are a thing of the past here- I think Freightliner may still build the Argosy but that is it. Agree on Ford - Hino is doing nothing but gaining momentum- and to those who say- "who cares about 6 and 7", I continue to say- once they build a following in 6 and 7, they will very quickly move down into 4 and 5- and the Tundra will not be a shitbox forever- sooner or later they will get their act together and there goes class 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Agree on the fairy tale about Dodge and class 8- unless of course its a Fiat decision to test the water here i the US. i saw the TTopics article Joe referred to. It also correctly pointed out that Iveco builds COE class 8's - no conventionals- and high COE's are a thing of the past here- I think Freightliner may still build the Argosy but that is it. Agree on Ford - Hino is doing nothing but gaining momentum- and to those who say- "who cares about 6 and 7", I continue to say- once they build a following in 6 and 7, they will very quickly move down into 4 and 5- and the Tundra will not be a shitbox forever- sooner or later they will get their act together and there goes class 3! The Argosy is gone too. Mack was bulding limited runs of Ultraliners for export, and I think Peterbilt was also building small numbers of cabovers for export only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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