rmc523 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-cadillac-...wagon-a-go.html The terms ‘wagon’ and ‘performance’ haven’t been used to describe many American vehicles over the years – save for the short-lived Dodge Magnum – but General Motors will breathe new life into the sporty wagon segment with a V-performance version of its Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon This is bound to be an instant success! Not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHV 16V Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) Aw, for fuck's sake....... Really Bob?....Really? As if anyone who buys one of Audi's Über-Wagons will cross-shop it with a Caddy. The market for wagons is so small as it is, and after everyone asks "why?" on a CTS wagon, you think a CTS-V will be alright?..... Really?..... Edited November 18, 2009 by OHV 16V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 If the CTS based SRX CUV didn't sell...I don't see how they can sell a Wagon CTS either... I see this winding up as a huge flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCM1 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) The market for wagons is so small as it is..... Good point. Where I'm from, don't see many wagon style vehicles. If GM ever hopes to make money, it needs to concentrate on high volume practical production vehicles of good quality that the masses like and can afford to buy. If you need an example of this, just look to the Ford Fusion which is breaking sales records and is now the #1 selling car. This is simply another high horsepower niche vehicle that I'm sure will cost a lot and will sell in small quantities. Same goes for the Volt (except for the horsepower part). Makes good news and makes it look like they're making progress coming out of bankruptcy, but that's about it. Edited November 18, 2009 by KCM1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 If you need an example of this, just look to the Ford Fusion which is breaking sales records and is now the #1 selling car. #1 selling domestic branded car. Accord and Camry easily still outsell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 #1 selling domestic branded car. Accord and Camry easily still outsell it. Of course, there are a ton more boring, appliance driven knuckleheads buying Toy odors and Hon duhs. Fusion still doing pretty well considering all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 As for GM building this uber wagon...how stupid. How very stupid of them. Another day in the life of stupid GM. Wrong product, wrong decisions, wrong management. GM. Just wrong....STILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 So when do we get our money back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 So when do we get our money back? The American taxpayer will be lucky to get $.50 on the dollar. There should have been a condition in the loan that says the new GM was responsible for the amount of the loan that the IPO doesn't cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I like it, but if the Magnum didnt sell, how is a Caddy thats gonna cost $20K more gonna make it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I like it, but if the Magnum didnt sell, how is a Caddy thats gonna cost $20K more gonna make it? Simple, it won't. They'll produce it for 2 years, it'll sell about 10,000 units collectively for those 2 years and it'll be gone. Then they'll make up some excuse about how the market was wrong for it at this time bla bla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Simple, it won't. They'll produce it for 2 years, it'll sell about 10,000 units collectively for those 2 years and it'll be gone. Then they'll make up some excuse about how the market was wrong for it at this time bla bla. Might make for a neat classic car down the road in about 20 years...one of those strange one offs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 It's a low-cost venture. Of course, it has to be for GM. :P But really, all they had to do was drop the wagon body on the CTS-V mechanicals, keeping the hood and front clip from the sedan. I'd be surprised if GM expected to sell more than 750 of these per year. They know that most will go for the CTS-V sedan and seemingly-forthcoming coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 It's a low-cost venture. Of course, it has to be for GM. :P But really, all they had to do was drop the wagon body on the CTS-V mechanicals, keeping the hood and front clip from the sedan. I'd be surprised if GM expected to sell more than 750 of these per year. They know that most will go for the CTS-V sedan and seemingly-forthcoming coupe. And it also makes you wonder why GM dropped the G8 Sport wagon importation at the last minute. CTS-v Sport wagon may be value adding to the product line but I think the uptake will be very low. Chrysler/Dodge has been there done that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 And it also makes you wonder why GM dropped the G8 Sport wagon importation at the last minute.CTS-v Sport wagon may be value adding to the product line but I think the uptake will be very low. Chrysler/Dodge has been there done that..... Perhaps because they new the Pontiac brand was to be killed? Nah, that'd be too smart for GM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) Perhaps because they new the Pontiac brand was to be killed? Nah, that'd be too smart for GM!! GMNA promises Holden a guaranteed export contract if they develop the G8 Sportwagon and pickup, Holden does the development/federalization and then GM welshes on the deal less than 12 months later. Edited November 19, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 GMNA promises Holden a guaranteed export contract if they develop the G8 Sportwagon and pickup,Holden does the development/federalization and then GM welshes on the deal less than 12 months later. Like I said, too smart for GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 And it also makes you wonder why GM dropped the G8 Sport wagon importation at the last minute. Oh, nah, I knew that one. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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