chevys Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Here are my gripes. 1. NO MORE FAKE GAUGES FOR GODS SAKE!!!!! I know Im beating a dead horse here. 2. Oil life monitoring system similar to what GM has. NO MORE DAMN MILEAGE COUNTERS PLEASE! ITS JUST ANOTHER IDIOT LIGHT LIKE THE REST OF THE FAKE GAUGES. 3. Another thing that annoys me is on start up a Ford revs way the heck up and slowly settles down. Then, there is the aggravating "hanging rpms" with stick shifts but this seems to be a problem with all makes but Ford especially. I dont know about the new GM cars but my old GMC truck will start in any weather and sit and idle at about 700 rpm without any drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 If I could have the choice between the two I'd rather have a mileage counter. The system that GM utilizes is not capable of monitoring the actual condition of the oil. If you decide to switch over to synthetic there's no way that the oil life monitor will be able to compensate for that. Having owned two Infinitis, a Volvo and an Audi all of them revved up during cold starts and then settled down after 25 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 If I could have the choice between the two I'd rather have a mileage counter. The system that GM utilizes is not capable of monitoring the actual condition of the oil. If you decide to switch over to synthetic there's no way that the oil life monitor will be able to compensate for that. Having owned two Infinitis, a Volvo and an Audi all of them revved up during cold starts and then settled down after 25 seconds. With the exception of of the Vette and Camaro that come with synthetic it is based on dino oil. A mileage counter has no idea if you have been towing. short tripping in below zero weather or running at high rpms for long periods. The GM olm has been proven over and over and over again by oil analysis to be spot on. Depending on your driving habits it may go off at 2000 miles or 10,000. This is great technology imo and it does have a saftey factor built into it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 With the exception of of the Vette and Camaro that come with synthetic it is based on dino oil. A mileage counter has no idea if you have been towing. short tripping in below zero weather or running at high rpms for long periods. The GM olm has been proven over and over and over again by oil analysis to be spot on. Depending on your driving habits it may go off at 2000 miles or 10,000. This is great technology imo and it does have a saftey factor built into it as well. Well that's my issue, almost every car that I've purchased I've switched from dino to synthetic. If Ford is going to go over and beyond a simple mileage counter I'd rather the capability be there to actually monitor the oil quality. Simply put a regular oil change interval adjusted to suit driving conditions is all you need, not more complexity. The only way I see a huge benefit from something like this is, would be fleet vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Well that's my issue, almost every car that I've purchased I've switched from dino to synthetic. If Ford is going to go over and beyond a simple mileage counter I'd rather the capability be there to actually monitor the oil quality. Simply put a regular oil change interval adjusted to suit driving conditions is all you need, not more complexity. The only way I see a huge benefit from something like this is, would be fleet vehicles. I know what you are saying but in various Gm engines with all different kinds of oil it has been shown to run it close to the end of its safe usable life so in effect it does do what you want only in a round about way. Say if you went by the olm in a gm truck but ran synthetic it would give you and extra cushion because the meter is designed to base all of the different paramaters off of dino oil. Honda has a similar system that also has been proven to be very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryQW Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) I would like each tire's actual pressure reported, rather than Ford's retarded its-too-low-and-you're-about-to-roll-over-and-die light. Actual tire pressure reporting would mean no more getting hands and knees dirty measuring and dragging a dirty hose around check the tires until necessary. It also means you can spot a slow leak before it's too late. I loved the actual tire pressure reporting feature on the GM cars I saw. It even shows up in GM's email report via OnStar. This tire pressure reporting would be great with with SYNC and Vehicle Health Report. Unfortuantely... Ford doesn't have it. Edited November 15, 2009 by LarryQW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Having owned two Infinitis, a Volvo and an Audi all of them revved up during cold starts and then settled down after 25 seconds. Most, if not all, vehicles do this for a reason. To pass EPA mandated cold-start emissions levels the "light-off" catalytic converter must reach a certain temp in a short time. Higher RPM's is the easiest and cheapest way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I would like each tire's actual pressure reported, rather than Ford's retarded its-too-low-and-you're-about-to-roll-over-and-die light. Actual tire pressure reporting would mean no more getting hands and knees dirty measuring and dragging a dirty hose around check the tires until necessary. It also means you can spot a slow leak before it's too late. I loved the actual tire pressure reporting feature on the GM cars I saw. It even shows up in GM's email report via OnStar. This tire pressure reporting would be great with with SYNC and Vehicle Health Report. Unfortuantely... Ford doesn't have it. Just what we need....another sensor that fails after couple years and is very expensive to repair or more likely replace. Those tire pressure sensors fail easily, especially if you have a tire problem or even rotatate the tires like you should. Belle Tire advertises prices for fixing them. It isn't cheap and I'm sure the tire stores love the business. I would like to see Auto Stop on new Ford's where the engine stops when idling and automatically starts when you press the gas. Ford had said they would be coming very soon as in 2011 I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focus05 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Most, if not all, vehicles do this for a reason. To pass EPA mandated cold-start emissions levels the "light-off" catalytic converter must reach a certain temp in a short time. Higher RPM's is the easiest and cheapest way to do it. This is going to be particularly apparent in cars that are registered as PZEV, like my Focus. To meet that standard, getting the converter warmed up is crucial as the bulk of your dirty emissions happen at start-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryQW Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Just what we need....another sensor that fails after couple years and is very expensive to repair or more likely replace. Those tire pressure sensors fail easily, especially if you have a tire problem or even rotatate the tires like you should. Belle Tire advertises prices for fixing them. It isn't cheap and I'm sure the tire stores love the business. I would like to see Auto Stop on new Ford's where the engine stops when idling and automatically starts when you press the gas. Ford had said they would be coming very soon as in 2011 I hope. Hmm, Then maybe Ford could make a new improved super-special tire reporting sensor that actually works and doesn't cost a fortune??? Since, after all, we're saying here what we'd like to see. Please append my wish above to say "not like those other POS sensors". I'd also like the Auto Stop when Idle. I manually turn off the engine for long lights and long waits. I find it can add 1-2 MPG in city driving. But with manual start, everything in the car resets and goes blank, including cruise control On/Off, radio goes out for a few seconds during something I want to hear, the navigation needs to be given legal approval again, SYNC speaks up to say phone is disconnected (but it's not). The kids in back find the DVD stopping to be especially annoying, especially if they're using headsets as they need to be turned back on again. It would just be nice to not have all the "restart" stuff occur when stopping the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 The one thing that I'm annoyed at with my Fords is just getting in and starting it, I have to click the "I accept" BS on the Navi. I have to click the Recirculation Mode on the A/C, and turn on the A/C on both front seats, BEFORE heading off. I THINK #1 is NOT necessary anymore. #2 I'm seeing is still an issue with the new Fords, and #3 seems unnecessary as well. IF I SET IT, KEEP IT. And of course, if I have low fuel, or low windshield washer fluid, thats another 2 "BEEPS" and 2 more CLICKS I gotta do to wipe that out. So literally, when I enter, I have to press button after button so the battleship can leave the garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2D Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I know that I rarely post but I really would like to see Ford get rid of that awful classic looking ANTENNA they use on the Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 The one thing that I'm annoyed at with my Fords is just getting in and starting it, I have to click the "I accept" BS on the Navi. I have to click the Recirculation Mode on the A/C, and turn on the A/C on both front seats, BEFORE heading off. I THINK #1 is NOT necessary anymore. #2 I'm seeing is still an issue with the new Fords, and #3 seems unnecessary as well. IF I SET IT, KEEP IT. And of course, if I have low fuel, or low windshield washer fluid, thats another 2 "BEEPS" and 2 more CLICKS I gotta do to wipe that out. So literally, when I enter, I have to press button after button so the battleship can leave the garage. #1 on the new system (or at least mine) the message only pops up when you access the navigation system - not every time you start up like before. #2 is no longer applicable - the recirculation feature now remains on when you restart the car. #3 I agree with - I wish the heated/cooled seats would remain on if you had them on before you shut the car off. I know that I rarely post but I really would like to see Ford get rid of that awful classic looking ANTENNA they use on the Mustang. They at least gave it a smaller antenna for 2010, but I do agree that they should remove the antenna completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) Good grief THIRTEEN posts and not a single picture of a model. People, people, people, what is wrong with you? Did you learn nothing from White Snake videos? Edited November 15, 2009 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) RWD Choice not Hobsons FWD Choice in Europe. Edited November 15, 2009 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 I would like each tire's actual pressure reported, rather than Ford's retarded its-too-low-and-you're-about-to-roll-over-and-die light. Yet another idiot light I was not aware of. I wont swear to this but I think the tranny temp gauge on the F150 is a glorified idiot light also. Now thats a fairly critical thing to be aware of and if the gauge is run off a sensor then that absolutely sucks. In my experience with these idiot light gauges they dont indicate any trouble until its too late then you are screwed. You would think a world class auto company that has made such great strides over the last years could address this. I wonder if anybody at Ford ever reads these forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Yet another idiot light I was not aware of. I wont swear to this but I think the tranny temp gauge on the F150 is a glorified idiot light also. Now thats a fairly critical thing to be aware of and if the gauge is run off a sensor then that absolutely sucks. In my experience with these idiot light gauges they dont indicate any trouble until its too late then you are screwed. You would think a world class auto company that has made such great strides over the last years could address this. I wonder if anybody at Ford ever reads these forums? The reality is 98% of the drivers out there have no idea what the values on each gauge should be. Every gauge needs a red-bar warning zone to tell these people (hey this aint right-stop and check) but even then the truth is these drivers will not stop because they don't want to be inconvienced. And most of them find the low tire pressure light very annoying, they never check their pressures and would to prefer not to be bothered. Idiot lights and audible warning chimes work because they get your attention while driving when your eyes should be on the road most of the time. Again, when/if most drivers check the gages they just mainly look at the speedometer and fuel gauge...after the low-fuel warning light comes on. note: my 98% guestimate is not official but pretty close based on what I have seen come into the shop over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonlu Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I'd like to see: 1. (On all vehicles) a stop-start system that would stop the engine at red lights, when braking heavily, or when on steep downhill. (Yes, I am aware that eventually the aggressive fuel shutoff is going to be implemented on nearly all, if not all, of the vehicles; I think stop-start goes a bit further, and while I don't think they should properly be advertised as "micro hybrid" (as apparently some European manufacturers are trying to do) they will improve the mileage at a relatively minimal cost. 2. (On hybrids) optional solar panel and air turbine systems that can feed back into the battery. (In other words, not the "solar ventilation" thing that the third-generation Toyota Prius does, which I think is close to useless.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 The reality is 98% of the drivers out there have no idea what the values on each gauge should be. Every gauge needs a red-bar warning zone to tell these people (hey this aint right-stop and check) but even then the truth is these drivers will not stop because they don't want to be inconvienced. And most of them find the low tire pressure light very annoying, they never check their pressures and would to prefer not to be bothered. Idiot lights and audible warning chimes work because they get your attention while driving when your eyes should be on the road most of the time. Again, when/if most drivers check the gages they just mainly look at the speedometer and fuel gauge...after the low-fuel warning light comes on. note: my 98% guestimate is not official but pretty close based on what I have seen come into the shop over the years. I dont doubt your right but why does GM use gauges that are reasonable accurate? Im sure 98 percent of those drivers dont have a clue either but I am one of the 2 percent who appreciates them. Why have they not changed? Two different schools of thought for sure or maybe its too expensive to change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I dont doubt your right but why does GM use gauges that are reasonable accurate? Im sure 98 percent of those drivers dont have a clue either but I am one of the 2 percent who appreciates them. Why have they not changed? Two different schools of thought for sure or maybe its too expensive to change? The PCM has the data it's just a matter of displaying it. You can bring these stats up digitally on the message center if you want. Hold the odometer reset in while turning the key on then scroll through the info, you can check for any DTCs this way also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryQW Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I dont doubt your right but why does GM use gauges that are reasonable accurate? Im sure 98 percent of those drivers dont have a clue either but I am one of the 2 percent who appreciates them. Why have they not changed? Two different schools of thought for sure or maybe its too expensive to change? Even though I fully understand all the numbers, I'd like both. The numbers in an information center when you want it , and an idiot warning light/chime if something needs attention. Reset on turnoff of some things like seat or rear window heaters make some sense as the weather can change between times you drive the car, and it wastes electricity at best. Others issues, like the Nav legal warning are just plain annoying. Why can't they have a more complete legal signoff when you buy the car, and then you never hit the approval again? For other drivers of your car, the original agreement could say you need to warn all other dork drivers and passengers of your car not to mess with the Nav system while they're trying to drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why can't they have a more complete legal signoff when you buy the car, and then you never hit the approval again? Lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) Simpsons limited edition Fiesta Edited November 15, 2009 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Most, if not all, vehicles do this for a reason. To pass EPA mandated cold-start emissions levels the "light-off" catalytic converter must reach a certain temp in a short time. Higher RPM's is the easiest and cheapest way to do it. You would not believe the ridiculous heaters they were playing with years ago ! 3 or 4 cold starts (below zero) with a short drive in between and the battery would be dead ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) 1. NO MORE FAKE GAUGES FOR GODS SAKE!!!!! I know Im beating a dead horse here. Accurate gauges are expensive, for both the sensing element and the gauge itself. Studies have shown that gauges need to be backed up with warning lights, even for race car driver ! 2. Oil life monitoring system similar to what GM has. To my knowledge, no car manufacturer has a true "oil quality" sensor. Again, too expensive. Edited November 15, 2009 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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