This Is What Happens

[BlackHorse]

This is what happens when you democrat liberals out there elect a radical socialist / marxist to the White House. This is the proper end result to all liberalism and all of it's failed ideas.

 

 

The citizens of New Jersey put a Republican in the Governors House. A Republican, . . . . in New Jersey. Wow. There is no amount of nay saying and white washing the Obama Administration can cover this up with. It is a clear rejection of him and his left wing agenda.

[mustang84isu]

This is what happens when you democrat liberals out there elect a radical socialist / marxist to the White House. This is the proper end result to all liberalism and all of it's failed ideas.

 

 

The citizens of New Jersey put a Republican in the Governors House. A Republican, . . . . in New Jersey. Wow. There is no amount of nay saying and white washing the Obama Administration can cover this up with. It is a clear rejection of him and his left wing agenda.

I see you got your morning fill of right wing talking points from Fox News.

 

Both incumbent govenors were unpopular in their respective states. This victory has nothing to do with Obama.

 

By the way, going along your line of thinking, Democrats winning a Congressional seat in Upstate New York for the first time since the Civil War must mean the Republican Party is imploding.

[NickF1011]

The citizens of New Jersey put a Republican in the Governors House. A Republican, . . . . in New Jersey. Wow.

 

Yeah, that hasn't happened since....1994!

 

Both incumbent govenors were unpopular in their respective states.

 

The democrat in Virgina wasn't an incumbant. VA governors are limited to one term.

Edited November 4, 2009 by NickF1011

[Mark B. Morrow]

The preferred candidate of Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh in the Special Election for NY 23rd HR District lost a seat that has been in Republican hands for 157 years. The Democrat will have a vote in Congress unlike a governor. The Blue Dog Democrat in CA 10 was defeated by a Liberal. Thus 100% of the Congressional races went to Democrats.

 

Sorry to inform you Blackhorse, but governors are not elected as a referendum on the Presidency. BTW it wasn't a referendum on W when Virginia elected Democrats in the last two elections Mark Warner 2001, Tim Kaine 2005. Corzine was not popular in NJ long before Obama was elected President. Creigh Deeds was dull as a stump and McConnell ran as a moderate Republican staying far away from his earlier positions on social issues, especially involving women.

 

This is the first good news for Republicans since last November, They are understandably going to spin it for all it's worth, just as the Dems would have if the outcome had been reversed.

[BlackHorse]

Both incumbent govenors were unpopular in their respective states. This victory has nothing to do with Obama.

 

 

I see you got your left wing head in the sand talking points this morning. These victories have everything to do with Obama.

 

And once again, it doesn't matter what you think. lol

[Len_A]

I see you got your left wing head in the sand talking points this morning. These victories have everything to do with Obama.

 

And once again, it doesn't matter what you think. lol

And what you think matters?

[Mark B. Morrow]

I see you got your left wing head in the sand talking points this morning. These victories have everything to do with Obama.

 

And once again, it doesn't matter what you think. lol

 

 

The RNC Chairman doesn't agree with your analysis.

 

Steele refuted the notion that the 2009 election was somehow a referendum on President Obama. "I don't think it is so much a referendum on the president,” he said. “It is a check point on the policies."

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/11/st...ty-on-ny23.html

[Edstock]

Considering the condition of most state finances, the more Governor Goppers, the better!

[mustang84isu]

These victories have everything to do with Obama.

 

And once again, it doesn't matter what you think. lol

In what ways? Expand. I am interested to hear your viewpoint, not Fox News's.

Edited November 5, 2009 by mustang84isu

[Mark B. Morrow]

Fox News coverage of NY 23 before and after the election.

 

 

Before: This is the most important race in the country. It is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party and a referendum on Obama. Hoffman will win.

 

After: Hoffman loses. This was an obscure district in New York and doesn't say anything about the status of the Republican Party.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002316/

Edited November 5, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow

[Edstock]

You mean, Fox believes that the GOP has a soul?

[mustang84isu]

Fox News coverage of NY 23 before and after the election.

 

 

Before: This is the most important race in the country. It is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party and a referendum on Obama. Hoffman will win.

 

After: Hoffman loses. This was an obscure district in New York and doesn't say anything about the status of the Republican Party.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002316/

Typical Fox spin machine. That video sums up why they are not a legitimate news organization.

[mustang84isu]

John Stewart on Fox News

 

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002312/

[RangerM]

While I agree that the election results (particularly the Governors' races) are largely based on local (State) issues, they are not without national implication. Here's why.....

 

The exit polls that I saw reported indicated that the majority of voters were influenced by the economy (jobs and taxes). I also read something about the size of government (but I'll assume this may be more tea-biased).

 

This does not bode well for incumbents in 2010. When voters base their judgements in an economic climate that we are having now, the incumbent often is the loser in that fight. Thus, Corzine and Deeds (incumbent party) and to a lesser extent Hoffman (incumbent party) all lost.

 

Deeds and Hoffman weren't helped by the fact that both men are about as interesting as flat wall paint, but it's hard to say that Deeds would have been helped had he had a pulse. A near-20% margin is nothing to sneer at in the VA race; Red State or not.

 

The one lesson that I take away from the results is that the Democrats, as the (incumbent) party in power, own this economy. "It's Bush's fault" isn't going to work anymore (at least for the independents), and neither is thousands of government jobs "created" or "saved".

 

And whether or not things have improved by mid-2010, I'm not sure they can improve enough that the positives are felt by the people. We were coming out of recession in late-1991/early-1992, and it didn't help Bush Sr.

 

If peoples' impression is that the economy isn't improving (or improving fast enough), 2010 will be a bad year for incumbents.

[napfirst]

Mark maybe you should call these Dems and tell them not to worry that in your opinion the state races have no implications for the 2010 elections............

 

 

 

Election result: Red-state Dems worried, rethink agenda

“I should be nervous,” said Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Huntsville, Ala. ......................“People who had weak knees before are going to have weaker knees now,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), a relatively liberal congressman who seemed safe in 2010 but now thinks a Republican challenger might feel emboldened by Tuesday’s election results.

 

link

 

......but you guys keep repeating this and eventually you convence yourselves........but not me...

Edited November 5, 2009 by napfirst

[NickF1011]

Typical Fox spin machine. That video sums up why they are not a legitimate news organization.

 

On election night I switched back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News. They were BOTH in full spin mode. To say one is any less legitimate than the other is ignoring the obvious. ALL news organizations have their own agenda. Always have. Always will.

[NickF1011]

John Stewart on Fox News

 

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002312/

 

Ah, Jon Stewart. Because he has absolutely no political leanings, right?

[Bored of Pisteon]

On election night I switched back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News. They were BOTH in full spin mode. To say one is any less legitimate than the other is ignoring the obvious. ALL news organizations have their own agenda. Always have. Always will.

 

Where's Howard Beale when we need him?

[Len_A]

On election night I switched back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News. They were BOTH in full spin mode. To say one is any less legitimate than the other is ignoring the obvious. ALL news organizations have their own agenda. Always have. Always will.

So very true.

[joihan777]

What this election shows is that people aren't always willing to stick to one party or another if that party is failing them.

 

Kudos to the voters who were at least trying to do the right thing, however they judged it.

 

And yes, a Republican Governer in New Jersey is jaw-dropping!

[NickF1011]

And yes, a Republican Governer in New Jersey is jaw-dropping!

 

I don't really see why it's considered that big a deal. There was a Republican as acting governor in New Jersey as recently as 2001.

[Mark B. Morrow]

Ah, Jon Stewart. Because he has absolutely no political leanings, right?

 

Stewart's genius is in playing the tape of political flip flops and pointing out the hypocrisy. It is almost as though his targets don't remember that they tape what they say. There is nothing as effective as playing the tape of contradictory statements back to back.

 

At least Stewart doesn't pretend that he is Fair and Balanced. His political leanings are admitted and well known. What strikes me as funny is that many self described "conservatives" don't seem to realize that Colbert is a parody.

[NickF1011]

Stewart's genius is in playing the tape of political flip flops and pointing out the hypocrisy. It is almost as though his targets don't remember that they tape what they say. There is nothing as effective as playing the tape of contradictory statements back to back.

 

At least Stewart doesn't pretend that he is Fair and Balanced. His political leanings are admitted and well known. What strikes me as funny is that many self described "conservatives" don't seem to realize that Colbert is a parody.

 

The Right could put together the same montages that Stewart does concerning politicians on the left. In fact, they do. They just don't have an audience as large as "The Daily Show". Why, I'm not sure. That show hasn't been nearly as funny since Stewart started acting more like a political pundit than a humorist. The thing I wonder is, when did he suddenly gain any credibility as a political pundit in the first place?

Edited November 5, 2009 by NickF1011

[Mark B. Morrow]

What this election shows is that people aren't always willing to stick to one party or another if that party is failing them.

 

Kudos to the voters who were at least trying to do the right thing, however they judged it.

 

And yes, a Republican Governer in New Jersey is jaw-dropping!

 

How so? Corzine was only slightly more popular than McGreevy who resigned in disgrace. The guy's job approval rating was in the high 30s.

 

Christie ran a campaign right from the Obama playbook. He has made a lot of promises that will be very hard to keep. Christie is going to have a tough time making progress on mess he is inheriting. Much like Obama and his legacy from W.

 

New Jersey has been a corrupt cesspool for decades. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[Mark B. Morrow]

The Right could put together the same montages that Stewart does concerning politicians on the left. In fact, they do. They just don't have an audience as large as "The Daily Show". Why, I'm not sure. That show hasn't been nearly as funny since Stewart started acting more like a political pundit than a humorist. The thing I wonder is, when did he suddenly gain any credibility as a political pundit in the first place?

 

In his defense, Stewart has put together some pretty good montages of flip flops on the Left as well.

 

The Right doesn't seem to have a touch for humor. The attempt to do a right wing Daily Show on Fox failed. Much like the Left can't seem to make a go of liberal talk radio.

 

I think it may be related to the difference in each sides targets. The Left's targets are more established and powerful. Picking on these targets with humor doesn't seem to be mean spirited because the powerful can take it. The Right uses anger as a response to what they perceive as being treated unfairly by being subject to "Special Rights" or "Political Correctness" rather than using humor to pick on their opponents. Listen to callers on talk radio. They turn the anger outward and are often likely to accuse their opponents of being "unpatriotic" or "destroying tradition". The Left doesn't use these arguments. They focus on "fairness" and "equality" and often accuse their opponents of being regressive bigots and haters.