[SkapeGote]

Sup,

Okay i was reading the MKT comparo and something came to me. Somewhere in the review, the person reviewing mentioned that where Cadillac had turned into a Performance/Luxury brand, Lincoln had become and all out Luxury brand. Anyway, why not take that approach with the Mercury division. You could make a few sporty cars, something along the lines of the Miata or a smaller 350z. You could leave the all out luxury stuff to Lincoln, and the Semi-luxury/Sport to Mercury. Is this a really bad idea, am I really off base here?. Any thoughts?

Skape

P.S. Let's leave the Cougar out of it. It would be to muscular for what I mean, although I would love to see one.

[mustang84isu]

I like the idea, but I'd like to see both Lincoln and Mercury take a dual approach. Lincoln would have sportier large luxury cars with V6's, V8's and such, while Mercury would have something along the lines of a Focus RS, a small 2-door coupe or convertible, and perhaps a performance version of the Kuga or something similar. I really think Lincoln needs to go after BMW, M-B, and Cadillac in terms of luxury performance (more LS and less MKZ type vehicles).

And a Cougar doesn't have to be a rebadged Mustang...it could be like you said, a 350Z type vehicle that is more refined and modern but still RWD.

[Loyalbutconcerned]

Think Mocus program

[ANTAUS]

Unfortunately for Mercury, Ford has been focusing its energy on the core vehicles...I'm sure Mercury will come in next once Lincoln is done with it's debuts. Supposedly the plan now is that Mercury will be smaller fuel efficient Euro Fords. I'm not sure how many they are planning on bringing over, but thats their plan...this month. I'm sure it'll change again at some point, I just hope that SOMETHING is done.

[2b2]

thanks for the thread, Skape :)

let's see if I can get this to make sense
sporty versions, ok
specifically sporty model(s), maaaaaybe if done carefully
& AFTER Mercury finally gets enough regular vehicles in their lineup
(ie more than TWO!)

First imho we have to take into account the "Small Merc Theory"
which hopefully will give Lincoln the elbow room to finish getting its act together.
How long to allow for this?... ...my guess, ONE product cycle MAX
& I'll even Start counting from the birth of the Zephyr/MKZ
so
until & concurrent with the CD3>>CD4/Eucd changeover
(tho the midsizers themselves won't be the key part of a New Merc Theory, since they'll continue on, just 'More So')

In that^meantime is the C3 question: What's Merc gonna get?
Seems there's general agreement on a Focus-based sedan
but
which wheelbase? the short/std of the 5-pass C-Max or the longer GRAND wheelbase?
and what about the Focus CoupeCabrio => Capri?
Then there's the question of the Electric 'Focus' (BEV) and a possible/probable Extender (Volt-ish) model-or-version ...are these the barely-rumored "whitespace" vehicle? ...could either/both of these appear as Mercurys?
& could Merc get a Fiesta-based model? (Comet)
& what's gonna happen with the Mariner? to KuGa or not to KuGa?

OK, I think that just about brings us up to the GRwdP intro (should it happen)...
...or at least the nextgen Mustang and Falcon (same thing ;))
so I'll quit (before I say the "C" word) by saying
NO 2-seaters for Mercury! Ever!!!
- Ford may be able to pull one off thru volume
- Lincoln thru exclusivity (AND Ford's volume)
but
every Merc should have at least 4 real seats (imho)

This post has been edited by 2b2: 24 September 2009 - 01:03 AM

[BORG]

Mercury is largely there to compliment Lincoln, so they have to appeal to a similar customer (or at least one that doesn't mind shopping at a Lincoln dealer). To that end, I think turning Mercury into a sporty car would be a failure. It sounds like Mercury may attract premium or tend-conscious shoppers who want something unique but affordable (think youger female). There is a movement toward premium small cars (something Europe and Japan have always had) so we may see Lincoln/Mercury tap into that market. Ultimately, I think Lincoln and Ford will successfully divy up the Mercury customer so there won't be a need to keep them around long-term.

[Ovaltine]

My favorite "Mercury Memory" is riding in my grandpa's 1965 Monterey Breezeway sedan.

It looked like the ones below, but in some kind of gold/bronze color. It was SO cool when he'd put that slanted back window down in the summertime! :-)

Also... it had logos similar to this one on it. The last Marauder resurrected this classic logo. I wish that this logo could be updated and put on some new near-luxury / above-average performance sedans.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4703/4021/24257010336_medium.jpg



http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1963-1968-me...-breezeway3.htm


http://www.mercuryarchive.com/1965to1968/1965MontereyBreezeway.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1963-1968-mercury-breezeway-4.jpg




http://www.hassinen.eu/1965%20Mercury%20Park%20Lane%20Breezeway-1001.jpg

-Ovaltine

This post has been edited by Ovaltine: 24 September 2009 - 08:48 AM

[saintlaz1]

I dont know about Mercury being solely sports car but i dont have a problem with it having a few.

and of course im going to bring Cougar into this. Cougar can go either way, Mustang based or Milan based, they both may appeal to different audiences but at the end of the day i would be either and both would work.

[2b2]

saintlaz1, on Sep 24 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

I dont know about Mercury being solely sports car but i dont have a problem with it having a few.

and of course im going to bring Cougar into this. Cougar can go either way, Mustang based or Milan based, they both may appeal to different audiences but at the end of the day i would be either and both would work.

ya know, I think I'm coming around to a Milan-based sports coupe
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/artandcolour2006/Photochops/th_SanMarino.jpg < click (chop by 'artandcolour')
IF it could be ALL EcoBoost
1.6 190hp (fwd only)
2.0 240hp (fwd & awd?)
2.5 300hp (awd only)
3.5 365hp (awd only)
but would 4 or 5 drivetrains be too many for the probable volume? & would I like the idea as much without the v6 EB?

This post has been edited by 2b2: 24 September 2009 - 03:07 PM

[NickF1011]

http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/public/style_images/clean/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />2b2, on Sep 24 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

chop by 'artandcolour')

That's a niiiiiiiiiiice chop!

[630land]

Merc will just be a placeholder between Lincoln and Ford.

And no, it cant be a brand for 'Euro Fords' since Ford is getting those next year!!!!!!!

[J-150]

just give it the Plymouth/Oldsmobile treatment.

It really isnt needed anymore.

[rmc523]

NickF1011, on Sep 24 2009, 04:15 PM, said:

That's a niiiiiiiiiiice chop!

Artandcolour is a REEEEAAAAALLLY good chopper, he used to post over at the AutoWeek Combustion Chamber with me before it exploded.....maybe we can "pull" him over here to post from time to time...

[J-150]

rmc523, on Sep 24 2009, 07:05 PM, said:

Artandcolour is a REEEEAAAAALLLY good chopper, he used to post over at the AutoWeek Combustion Chamber with me before it exploded.....maybe we can "pull" him over here to post from time to time...

the Combustion Chamber hahahah

heard they tried to revive it last year and kissed everyone's butt to come back, which they did for about a week

[rmc523]

J-150, on Sep 24 2009, 08:03 PM, said:

the Combustion Chamber hahahah

heard they tried to revive it last year and kissed everyone's butt to come back, which they did for about a week

Yeah, they did, but you had to provide all sorts of info just to get into the section just to register for it, so I didn't bother. I found this place anyway....

[06mariner]

Mercury is a joke...I love love love my Mariner and I am considering a 2010 in late spring/early summer but other than that and the Milan they have nothing to offer over Ford. The dealership has been offering up to $7,000 to move Mountaineer's and they still can't ...they've had the same ones (in the same spots) for months. They can't however, keep MKZ's or MKX's on the lot ...and damn an MKX with those new wheels off the sport MKZ in Steel Blue is probably one of the sexiest CUVs i've ever seen. Not in my price range though :(

[J-150]

rmc523, on Sep 24 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

Yeah, they did, but you had to provide all sorts of info just to get into the section just to register for it, so I didn't bother. I found this place anyway....

please tell me you weren't that Thom Yorke character

[saintlaz1]

06mariner, on Sep 25 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

Mercury is a joke...I love love love my Mariner and I am considering a 2010 in late spring/early summer but other than that and the Milan they have nothing to offer over Ford. The dealership has been offering up to $7,000 to move Mountaineer's and they still can't ...they've had the same ones (in the same spots) for months. They can't however, keep MKZ's or MKX's on the lot ...and damn an MKX with those new wheels off the sport MKZ in Steel Blue is probably one of the sexiest CUVs i've ever seen. Not in my price range though :(

I am not sure why you are saying Mercury is a joke when you are consdering buying another one. Mercury has cars people want the Milan and Mariner prove that. I will say they are the only two vehicles that are competive in the brand but this is what Ford is working on, by 2011 Mountaineer and Grand Marquis will be gone and you will have a new mercury c-car by that time and perhaps more than one.

just give it minute.

[rmc523]

J-150, on Sep 25 2009, 08:11 AM, said:

please tell me you weren't that Thom Yorke character

I don't remember him.....no I wasn't, I was rmc523 just as I am here.

[Armada Master]

Mercury dies with GMQ.