2010 1/2 stop gap?

[meyeste]

Okay so Camaro's are selling like hot cakes, who cares that they look like cartoon drawings, they can't turn to save your life and the designers of the interior forgot you have to see out to drive. They have IRS and engines that on paper make the Mustang look pretty bad.

 

Obviously Ford isn't going to release the 5.0 or 3.7 early (though they probably should release the 3.7), so what to do about it?

- I have a couple suggestions:

- First play up that the Mustang is less a muscle car and more a performance drivers car, which is true. While Camaro's are able to win sprints away from a stop light, they'd better watch out for that next turn.

- Second play up the Mustang Challenge series, and how the R&D from that series is showing up on the Mustang

- Third though it may not be politically correct, point out 5 years from now the Camaro will be a piece of crap while Mustangs are built to last. In short it's still business as usual at GM ie " just put a big engine in a glitzy wrapper and the morons of America will buy it"

 

- Finally why not discount the Ford Racing supercharger kit for the GT to $1k to new buyers? That kicks it up to over 400hp right?

 

Just some thoughts, otherwise I'll be waiting to see if the 3.7 and 5.0 rumors are for real, see you in 2011.

[jpvbs]

Maybe Ford should put some Camaros "up-on-blocks" in front of trailers in the background of every Mustang ad.

[97svtgoin05gt]

Okay so Camaro's are selling like hot cakes, who cares that they look like cartoon drawings, they can't turn to save your life and the designers of the interior forgot you have to see out to drive. They have IRS and engines that on paper make the Mustang look pretty bad.

 

Obviously Ford isn't going to release the 5.0 or 3.7 early (though they probably should release the 3.7), so what to do about it?

- I have a couple suggestions:

- First play up that the Mustang is less a muscle car and more a performance drivers car, which is true. While Camaro's are able to win sprints away from a stop light, they'd better watch out for that next turn.

- Second play up the Mustang Challenge series, and how the R&D from that series is showing up on the Mustang

- Third though it may not be politically correct, point out 5 years from now the Camaro will be a piece of crap while Mustangs are built to last. In short it's still business as usual at GM ie " just put a big engine in a glitzy wrapper and the morons of America will buy it"

 

- Finally why not discount the Ford Racing supercharger kit for the GT to $1k to new buyers? That kicks it up to over 400hp right?

 

Just some thoughts, otherwise I'll be waiting to see if the 3.7 and 5.0 rumors are for real, see you in 2011.

 

Well first off, we should be careful about the whole "selling like hot cakes" phrase. I'm not so sure that phrase fits here. Remember back in '05 and '06, Mustangs were selling to the tune of 10-12k a month. I believe the biggest month for Camaro so far is still below 6K units (Nick a little help here, I'm taking numbers from my memory). Second, also remember that we're still experiencing the newness of the Camaro. People saw it starting in '06 and have had to wait until this year to finally get their hands on it. I also believe that there are a large number of Mustang faithful that are on the sidelines until '11 units appear. They expect big things and I believe they'll be delivered. In the grand scheme of things, there are far more '05-'10 Mustangs out there than Camaros and it is my belief that GM will once again be in trouble financially before too long. I for one am NOT in favor of another bailout so get those Camaros while you can.

[meyeste]

Well first off, we should be careful about the whole "selling like hot cakes" phrase. I'm not so sure that phrase fits here. Remember back in '05 and '06, Mustangs were selling to the tune of 10-12k a month. I believe the biggest month for Camaro so far is still below 6K units (Nick a little help here, I'm taking numbers from my memory). Second, also remember that we're still experiencing the newness of the Camaro. People saw it starting in '06 and have had to wait until this year to finally get their hands on it. I also believe that there are a large number of Mustang faithful that are on the sidelines until '11 units appear. They expect big things and I believe they'll be delivered. In the grand scheme of things, there are far more '05-'10 Mustangs out there than Camaros and it is my belief that GM will once again be in trouble financially before too long. I for one am NOT in favor of another bailout so get those Camaros while you can.

 

Good point on the difference in the intro sales volumes. I had thought I read Ford was going to start putting the 3.7 L in the Mustang this fall. If that engine is as good as it's stats sound (I'd like to see hp & torque curves) I could see getting one.

 

I've heard a 5.0L '11 has been turning in road course lap times equal to the M3. I'm glad to see Ford moving the Mustang towards being a driver's performance car vs. simply a straight line wonder. While equaling the M3 is great, let's go for beating them I don't know what the return on investment would be but I'm guessing more than what you'd think.

[meyeste]

Well first off, we should be careful about the whole "selling like hot cakes" phrase. I'm not so sure that phrase fits here. Remember back in '05 and '06, Mustangs were selling to the tune of 10-12k a month. I believe the biggest month for Camaro so far is still below 6K units (Nick a little help here, I'm taking numbers from my memory). Second, also remember that we're still experiencing the newness of the Camaro. People saw it starting in '06 and have had to wait until this year to finally get their hands on it. I also believe that there are a large number of Mustang faithful that are on the sidelines until '11 units appear. They expect big things and I believe they'll be delivered. In the grand scheme of things, there are far more '05-'10 Mustangs out there than Camaros and it is my belief that GM will once again be in trouble financially before too long. I for one am NOT in favor of another bailout so get those Camaros while you can.

 

Camaro sales as a percent of expected totals for the US this year is 1.2% vs. Mustang sales in 2005 as a percent of that years total sales for the US market are .9 % This whole response is nothing but an excuse - I thought Mulally wasn't putting up with those anymore? address the problem! Any knowledgeable Mustang fan isn't going to buy a Mustang until the 3.7L & 5.0L are in them. If I had to buy a 2-door v-6 sports car today I wouldn't get the Mustang it just doesn't stack up. The GT perhaps I would, can't say, since waiting is an option for me.

Ford == Mustang and Mustang == Ford no matter what the marketing department wants to believe - so make sure the true flagship has reason to wave the blue oval.

Edited September 28, 2009 by meyeste

[97svtgoin05gt]

Camaro sales as a percent of expected totals for the US this year is 1.2% vs. Mustang sales in 2005 as a percent of that years total sales for the US market are .9 % This whole response is nothing but an excuse - I thought Mulally wasn't putting up with those anymore? address the problem! Any knowledgeable Mustang fan isn't going to buy a Mustang until the 3.7L & 5.0L are in them. If I had to buy a 2-door v-6 sports car today I wouldn't get the Mustang it just doesn't stack up. The GT perhaps I would, can't say, since waiting is an option for me.

Ford == Mustang and Mustang == Ford no matter what the marketing department wants to believe - so make sure the true flagship has reason to wave the blue oval.

 

No excuse, if you can't recognize pent up demand (due to lack of product for several years) plus a hype machine in overdrive (showing the Camaro for 4 years before availability) as valid reasons for their current sales success then thats fine. Their hand will be answered shortly.

[FastTaurusSHO]

The Camaro was out of production for 8 model years, that's a ton of pent up potential camaro sales.

 

If the Mustang had been out of production since 02, I bet we would be seeing a lot more 2010 mustang sales.

 

I think as soon as all the camaro faithful have bought their cars, we'll see the mustang back on top of sales.

[Tico]

Camaro sales as a percent of expected totals for the US this year is 1.2% vs. Mustang sales in 2005 as a percent of that years total sales for the US market are .9 % This whole response is nothing but an excuse - I thought Mulally wasn't putting up with

 

Yeah come on Mulally cancel the Mustang for 8 years! I bet when you bring it back it will out sell the Camaro by 3 or 4 times easy.

Edited September 29, 2009 by Tico

[meyeste]

Yeah come on Mulally cancel the Mustang for 8 years! I bet when you bring it back it will out sell the Camaro by 3 or 4 times easy.

 

 

These are all excuses, pent up demand? When they canceled the Camaro it was because no one wanted one, it had lost any resemblance to the original. My own opinion is that there is little pent up demand as most traditional Camaro buyers don't have jobs. More accurately Camaro is winning new buyers that are buying the best available car in the category. Denial is an ugly thing, true recognition of the task at hand is the only path to success. Obviously Ford has taken notice as I'm sure we've all seen the Mustang GT advertising blitzkrieg that's going on right now. Current market conditions may account for Fords' overly cautious behavior. But still it's my understanding the coyote is currently ready for production as is the 3.7L. Wouldn't it be in Ford's best interest to rain on GM's parade and put the naturally aspirated coyote in the Mustang GT which would make for a Mustang with about the same hp as Camaro but weighing 300lbs less than the SS? Despite what those of you have written in your replies I have no doubt you'd like to see this as well.

 

So, I have to assume that someone at Ford is happy Camaro is back, this could be I saw a Camaro was entered in the last Koni Challenge series race and before it had clutch issues it appeared very capable of dominating the race. Seeing stock based Mustangs and Camaro's going head to head with BMW M3s and Porsche 997s and winning can only be good for Ford and GM, and I'm betting will increase the popularity of the series significantly. Not being able to complete with those cars in the past is what has really led to limited mainstream demand for both cars. Still, if Ford doesn't give those racers a better engine for '10 the Camaro is going to embarrass those entrants fielding a Mustang a serious way next year, I suppose that's also cool with you?

 

So again I'll say I'm faithfully waiting for a Mustang with a Coyote engine and quite possibly IRS.

[97svtgoin05gt]

WTF kind of statement is "most traditional Camaro buyers are without jobs now"??? I'd say thats the BIGGEST BS line I've ever heard! Do you work for the department of labor?? Do you have statistics on these individuals or is this something that came to you in your twisted dreams?? Who EXACTLY are the "traditional Camaro buyers"??? In case you're interested, just do some searching on Youtube about Camaros. Check out the comments PRIOR to the introduction. See what people say. "When the new Camaro gets here", "I'm getting one as soon as they arrive" bla bla bla. If you choose to dismiss pent up demand in your teletubby land, thats fine. It is a fact.