[Deanh]

2b2, on Nov 2 2009, 08:13 PM, said:

Deanh, are those like-new CV's just for fleet or for the public too?
...if the second, would you please verify the price? ;)

municipalities only I beleive....I will find out....they bring us the high miler and car gets pretty much gutted........

This post has been edited by Deanh: 03 November 2009 - 12:46 PM

[peterstern]

Versa-Tech, on Dec 8 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

Wrong. Government agencies will only buy fleet vehicles produced in the US for national security reasons.

Security reasons? More like Political Reasons...

Oh and btw... the Crown Vic is made in Canada, not the USA.

[Mark B. Morrow]

upstate, on Oct 29 2009, 03:49 AM, said:

And all the chief's I talk to say the Impalia is to small. Ford has to exceed the dementions not tie or be smaller.

If the Chiefs prefer the CV to the Impala then lets compare Taurus to Crown Vic:

Spec----------Taurus--/--CV

Front Head: 39.0 --/-- 39.5
Front Leg: 41.9 --/-- 41.6
Front Shoulder: 57.9 --/-- 60.6
Front Hip: 56.3 --/-- 57.4
Rear Head: 37.8 -- /-- 37.8
Rear Leg: 38.1 --/-- 38.0
Rear Shoulder: 56.9 --/-- 60.0
Rear Hip: 55.8 --/-- 56.1


The only significant difference is shoulder room 2.7 front 3.1 rear

I can see why shoulder room would make the car feel smaller inside. When the console is removed and replaced with a bench seat in front, the shoulder room may not be an issue.

[Mark B. Morrow]

peterstern, on Dec 1 2009, 11:32 PM, said:

Security reasons? More like Political Reasons...

Oh and btw... the Crown Vic is made in Canada, not the USA.

I'm pretty sure I have seen Fusions with GS plates as well.

[JimmyL57]

They need to take a good old Lincoln town car chassis and modify it into a ca/police unit, basically re-design the checker cab idea!

[T'Cal]

joihan777, on Nov 1 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

Don't LE managers consider the end-of-life sale to the public of their vehicles when computing vehicle cost?

What will LE do with their end-of-life'd vehicles? Will the public be able to buy them eventually?

Some municipalities have contracts with taxi companies, who take over the squads, paint them, and run them into the ground. Others auction them off at city auctions or on eBay. Others still trade them in to the dealers where they buy the new replacements squads. Finally, others send them to other city departments such as Building and Zoning where inspectors run them as long as it's safe to do so; then they're auctioned off or traded in.

As for the E7 and its commitment to sell only to law enforcement, Carbon Motors states that they will have some kind of contract with the municipalities that reads that either Carbon Motors will buy them back and recycle what they can or the agency can sell them to only another law enforcement agency. We'll see.

[T'Cal]

BTW, at the Chicago Auto Show, an engineer at the fleet display told me that Chevy has no plans to make a civilian Caprice. That, he said, will create demand for used squads increasing their value. I'm guessing that Chevy will use that point as a marketing tool to justify a higher price for the Caprice than the Taurus and maybe the Charger.

As for the Taurus-based Police Interceptor (TPI), I just read in a LE trade magazine (3/10, Law and Order) that AWD will be available with the non-turbo V6. This is a very smart move on Ford's part. I had given up on a new or old RWD platform being used for the next gen PI and had resigned myself to the notion that the Taurus would be the basis. I had posted that I figured Ford would not use the Ecoboost V6 due to its greater complexity, higher initial cost, and increased maintenance, but Ford proved me wrong and they will offer it. I figured the drivetrain would be the new 305hp 3.7L V6 with AWD at least optional if not standard. Instead, Ford will make the 3.5L standard but I believe it will be the higher output version (285hp) due on the 2011 models.

Predictions:
FWD TPI's will eat into Impala 9C1 sales, AWD TPI's will grap some of the CVPI's former market share, and the EB TPI will steal some of the Hemi-powered Charger's sales. The big winner, though, will be the V8 Caprice as long as the price remains reasonable. Those who now decide which squad car to buy were patrol officers driving the mid 90s LT1 Caprices and they still have very fond memories of those big, RWD, small block-powered cars. Between nostalgia and the timing of the release of the new Chevy, the Caprice will replace the CVPI as American Law Enforcement's favorite squad car. Lastly, the sleeper in this market may be the new Explorer PI that Ford hinted at in their press conference. An EPI will likely be priced about the same as the TPI making it thousands of dollars cheaper than the only other pursuit rated SUV available - the heavy, thirsty, expensive, and RWD-only Tahoe. I'm guessing many agencies will opt at no extra cost for the extra utility of the EPI over the sedan version for many uses such as for supervisors, evidence techs, K-9s, accident reconstructionists, truck enforcement, etc.

[jpd80]

T'Cal, on 19 April 2010 - 08:43 AM, said:

BTW, at the Chicago Auto Show, an engineer at the fleet display told me that Chevy has no plans to make a civilian Caprice. That, he said, will create demand for used squads increasing their value. I'm guessing that Chevy will use that point as a marketing tool to justify a higher price for the Caprice than the Taurus and maybe the Charger.

Holden already has been selling a civilian LHD Chevy Caprice in the Middle East for several years,
they also have the (Commodore/G8) Chev Lumina there too, such a car could revive that tattered name...

[T'Cal]

jpd80, on 20 April 2010 - 06:13 AM, said:

Holden already has been selling a civilian LHD Chevy Caprice in the Middle East for several years,
they also have the (Commodore/G8) Chev Lumina there too, such a car could revive that tattered name...

Oh dear God, no!