Ford-150 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Autoblog.com if the next Falcon goes FWD then im not sure if im still going to be as much of a Ford person as i am now....it would be wrong on so many levels, this FE crap is pissing me off. i don't understand why RWD can not be FE i still wish for the day they would bring it over here and it seems they may just make it into a taurus maybe autoblog misinterpreted what Kuzak said, maybe the next Taurus will be more like the Falcon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Autoblog.com if the next Falcon goes FWD then im not sure if im still going to be as much of a Ford person as i am now....it would be wrong on so many levels, this FE crap is pissing me off. i don't understand why RWD can not be FE i still wish for the day they would bring it over here and it seems they may just make it into a taurus maybe autoblog misinterpreted what Kuzak said, maybe the next Taurus will be more like the Falcon. Nothing wrong with RWD. Ford just does not have the cash to develop a global RWD platform. I hope Ford keeps the GRWD platform on the back burner. With some technical advancement and cash it could come alive again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Autoblog.com if the next Falcon goes FWD then im not sure if im still going to be as much of a Ford person as i am now....it would be wrong on so many levels, this FE crap is pissing me off. i don't understand why RWD can not be FE RWD can be fuel efficient. Ford, among other manufactures, already produce FE, RWD cars. Nothing wrong with RWD. Ford just does not have the cash to develop a global RWD platform. Ford does not need to develop a global RWD platform. All they need to do is make the Falcon LHD and then STOP! We don't need them screwing up the Falcon. Keep it simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calypsocoral Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Ford does not need to develop a global RWD platform. All they need to do is make the Falcon LHD and then STOP! We don't need them screwing up the Falcon. Keep it simple. I'll give you two words that will explain why Ford really could use a global RWD platform. Mustang... ... and Lincoln! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) Ford does not need to develop a global RWD platform. All they need to do is make the Falcon LHD and then STOP! We don't need them screwing up the Falcon. Keep it simple. For the love of God, the Falcon/Commodore are so freaking bland. They just rice up the sporty models of the vehicle. I still don't understand why you wouldn't buy a G8 and call it a day. I thought you loved GM. Oh and IIRC, FoAu originally planned to make an LHD FG Falcon but bailed when they didn't have enough money. Edited September 24, 2008 by LincolnFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Sounds like a bunch of speculation, especially considering there are no Kuzak quotes in the article. Boy with this be a major Ford mis-step if the article was true. I still recall that Blue II said the next Taurus was going RWD, so maybe the Falcon will have more in common with the next Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The Falcon is priced between 36,000 and 54,000 Australian Dollars. If you add left hand drive and export to US in low volume, the price will go up. IMHO the low production volume of the left hand version will result in quality problems. Ford needs to find a way to cut cost, improve quality, and build with high volume in both the US and Australia. Build a Lincoln version and export to Europe and Asia. All versions including SUV's need to have sales volume of 500,000 or more per year. They are currently producing 127,000 Falcons per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I still don't understand why you wouldn't buy a G8 and call it a day. I thought you loved GM. I like GM...just as I like Ford. I would love a G8 GT/GXP. Once I start my career, one of my first purchases will be either a G8 GT or GXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Since the article is speculation, I'll speculate this (reading into it in reverse): The next Falcon will be less Australian and the next Taurus will be less Swedish. And they will share (along with the Mustang and other variants) a new lighter, smaller GLOBAL RWD platform. Seems to make a lot more sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I like GM...just as I like Ford. I would love a G8 GT/GXP. Once I start my career, one of my first purchases will be either a G8 GT or GXP. Hopefully, for both of us, the G8 will still be in production... :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) Hopefully, for both of us, the G8 will still be in production... :huh: Maybe...but in a year or so...I should be able to find one at a great price. Edited September 24, 2008 by P71_CrownVic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The Falcon is priced between 36,000 and 54,000 Australian Dollars. If you add left hand drive and export to US in low volume, the price will go up. IMHO the low production volume of the left hand version will result in quality problems. You can't directly compare prices. Holden Commodore sells for the same price in Australia yet it has all the changes you suggest including LHD and sells in the US as the Pontiac G8 in the USA for considerably less. Combined Falcon/Territory and Falcon Ute pick up is approx 70,000/year, that's why we need Focus production at Broadmeadows. The latest Falcon cost a paltry US$500 million to develop or roughly half of what Holden spent on Zeta - FNA holding tight purse strings I'm afraid. This Falcon like all others is expected to turn a small profit but will be the last real Falcon. FoA were basically told to F/O by the pre-Mulally regime regarding Falcon exports as FNA makes good profit off the Panthers in the Middle East. There is a cost factor problem as you say but it's because FNA want to get in and run the RWD program, if that happens God help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 Maybe...but in a year or so...I should be able to find one at a great price. i found a fully loaded G8 GT except sunroof for 27500 used with 3k miles on it.....it also has 20" aftermarket rims but i will probably sell them since i don't like the way they look very much im going to try to get it lower, i really want a G8 but i do believe they will depreciate quickly just because of the badge they wear --------------------------------------------- hopefully the Falcon does not go FWD, i would like ford to bring it here but i understand not any people would buy it(G8) IMHO i don't think there will be a new G8....i think 2010 or 11 will be its last year and it could mean the death of fun RWD in big cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Here's what I think will end up happening. The GWRD platform won't be used solely on the RWD. There will be a version 3 of the D3 platform that will still support AWD. Because of the ability for a drive shaft to the rear, it could be used FW, AW, and RW. A longer version for Flex. A shorter version for Mustang/Lincoln. But still the same basic platform. That's assuming they tweak the current platform version under the MKS... And BTW, I'm not the least bit interested in the Falcon. It does nothing for me, styling wise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 i found a fully loaded G8 GT except sunroof for 27500 used with 3k miles on it.....it also has 20" aftermarket rims but i will probably sell them since i don't like the way they look very much im going to try to get it lower, i really want a G8 but i do believe they will depreciate quickly just because of the badge they wear That is a great price for a great car. All of the V8s up here are $30K+. But if they depreciate quickly...that is better news for us. I also would entertain the idea of getting a low mileage 6.0 GTO...however I like the usability of 4-doors. You can also get a Trailblazer SS for around 20-22K...which is a great price...and the TB SS can actually tow a legitimate amount of weight, unlike the GC SRT-8. Late model Lightnings are also in the 20-22K range...but again...only 2-doors. Just imagine the flack you will receive on this site if you buy a used car though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Ford Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The next falcon will be a globaly designed car sold on a global platform and may or may not be RWD. No need for more than that to sum up the original article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) The Mull has a Falcon. Apparently he likes it. The Falcon sets a benchmark for sedan performance. As long as its replacement meets or exceeds this, IMHO, drive type is irrelevant. Edited September 24, 2008 by Edstock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 its all just drama and production. They already tried that FWD bit in OZ, they hopefully learned. Therefore, I think this is just "out there' to create some drama.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) IMHO, drive type is irrelevant. Drive type is part of the benchmark...and it needs to stay RWD. Edited September 25, 2008 by P71_CrownVic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) IMHO, drive type is irrelevant. FWD is a negative when i look at cars.....it can not meet the benchmark if it is FWD it has to be RWD Edited September 25, 2008 by Ford-150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Yes, but why is Toyota #1 in Oz, IIRC? I hope Ford stays with a RWD sled. But it seems a lot of people don't care. The Oz police are using 300 hp turbo Camrys. Anyway, the Mull owns one, so the dude at the top does know just how good it is, and what the market expects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 FWD is a negative when i look at cars.....it can not meet the benchmark if it is FWD it has to be RWD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 (edited) Yes, but why is Toyota #1 in Oz, IIRC? I hope Ford stays with a RWD sled. But it seems a lot of people don't care. The Oz police are using 300 hp turbo Camrys. Anyway, the Mull owns one, so the dude at the top does know just how good it is, and what the market expects. The Falcon and Territory hold their own very nicely against Toyota but: Corolla kills Focus Yaris flogs Fiesta Camry murders Mondeo Hilux hammers Thai Ranger Rav4 buries Escape Landcruiser Wagon has no Ford competitor Landcruiser Trayback has no Ford competitor F250 is no longer available as Right hand drive - that was the best vehicle of the imports!!! Aussie State and Federal Governments are in love with Toyota The police in Queensland are changing to V6 Camry because the C02 on the Toyo is 233 gm/klm Vs 240 for the 4.0 Falcon. The reason isn't always obvious in slanted articles shown to the US crowds. Commodore and Falcon still dominate large car sales by a long shot. Edited September 25, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Next Ford Falcon will be less 'Australian' That's because it will be a FWD D3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Autoblog.com if the next Falcon goes FWD then im not sure if im still going to be as much of a Ford person as i am now....it would be wrong on so many levels, this FE crap is pissing me off. i don't understand why RWD can not be FE i still wish for the day they would bring it over here and it seems they may just make it into a taurus maybe autoblog misinterpreted what Kuzak said, maybe the next Taurus will be more like the Falcon. If it became FWD it wouldn't be a Falcon, just like a FWD sled wouldn't be a Mustang. So basically this is speculation about Ford killing one of their finest cars in the world, a FWD sedan would be a Taurus, not a Falcon. Hopefully the airhead management doesn't make a move this disastrous, especially when Ford's competitors can get better fuel economy with RWD and much more powerful engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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