noub Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Can somebody have this article !!! http://www.automotiveworld.com/WAM/content...contentid=70228 it seems that the 4.4 diesel engine will start in summer 2009 and thus will be in the 2010 ford model late this year ! Job1 for the 2010 F150, Expedition may be shifted next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The 4.4L is the Lion diesel, not the Scorpion. Scorpion is the 6.7L Diesel that will be installed in the big trucks. I don't know if the article is calling the Lion a Scorpion, or if it's in fact referring to the Scorpion. If the writer is confused about the name of the engine, it's probably not worth paying for the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) Well this is what the link says: Mexico: Job 1 for Ford's Scorpion engines now 12 months awayBy John Mortimer 12 August, 2008 Source: Automotive World The start of production for Ford's Scorpion diesel engine programmes at the Chihuahua Engine Plant is now just 12 months away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Job 1, or the start of production (SOP) for Ford's Scorpion diesel engine programmes at the Chihuahua Engine Plant (CEP), Me... Does anyone know whether the 4.4 is to be produced alongside the 6.7 in Mexico or in another plant? Edited August 13, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94bronco Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Why are they building these in Mexico? These are a high profit margin product that is going to be put in 40-50k trucks and they build the engine in Mexico? I have no problem with a low margin vehicle such as a Fiesta being built in Mexico but having a Diesel Heavy duty truck motor being built there is annoying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Why are they building these in Mexico? These are a high profit margin product that is going to be put in 40-50k trucks and they build the engine in Mexico? I have no problem with a low margin vehicle such as a Fiesta being built in Mexico but having a Diesel Heavy duty truck motor being built there is annoying! Diesels are expensive. I imagine building them in Mexico is way to keep them more competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 IIRC, the Lion is CGI, Compacted Graphite Iron cast engine block. IIRC, the original blocks were cast by a foundry in Brazil, called TUPY. Anyway, maybe the project was easier to set up in Mexico. Ford used to cast 5-liter V-8's in Mexico, perhaps they will do the CGI castings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Ford's all but out of the casting business these days. Most other mfrs. are too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 IIRC, the Lion is CGI, Compacted Graphite Iron cast engine block. IIRC, the original blocks were cast by a foundry in Brazil, called TUPY. Anyway, maybe the project was easier to set up in Mexico. Ford used to cast 5-liter V-8's in Mexico, perhaps they will do the CGI castings. The Mexican 302s were reputed to be very durable due to a higher nickle content and thicker castings. http://forums.mustangmonthly.com/70/105866...eded/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have read on enthusiast blogs that they are probably the best of the 2-bolt main 5.0 pushrods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Diesels are expensive. I imagine building them in Mexico is way to keep them more competitive. We have a winner ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 IIRC, the Lion is CGI, Compacted Graphite Iron cast engine block. IIRC, the original blocks were cast by a foundry in Brazil, called TUPY. Anyway, maybe the project was easier to set up in Mexico. Ford used to cast 5-liter V-8's in Mexico, perhaps they will do the CGI castings. Great. I remember TUPY: http://www.cumminsdatabase.com/read.php?id=185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaZor Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I just read an investor advisory yesterday that makes the prediction that diesel hybrids will be the real story before 2015 and will be more important than even hydrogen fuel cell engines on both fuel mileage and carbon emissions (MIT study). Why? Because there is an American company that is going to remove the last obstacle that stands in the way of the diesel -- pollutants. This is a high-tech American company that has invented a diesel filter that's far superior to what the Europeans now have. It is predicted that it will be a billion dollar market within just a few years. Hope Ford is "hooked" up with them and is making the necessary plans to crank up the Euro diesel engine manufacturing here. What was that Eu model that would sell like hotcakes here? Wasn't it the Fiesta ecoNetic? Hmmm, I'll bet that would put a big dent in Prius' sales. Personally, I think that the company should severely limit sales to the likes of Yoda, Honda, Hyundai, etc . . . at least for a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 The Super Duty crowd will love this engine. Bad Hombre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procyon Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Does anyone know whether the 4.4 is to be produced alongside the 6.7 in Mexico or in another plant? It's my understanding that both are to be built in the same building. The old 2.0L Zetec plant was cleared out for the diesels while the 1.8/2.0/2.3/2.5L I4 is built in a building next door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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