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[RangerM]

2010-ford-4-4-liter-diesel-engine-scooped

 

Not sure how excited I am about this with diesel $0.70 more tha gas now, but I'm sure it'll pull tree stumps.

[hindy]

Diesel does cost more but if the acticle truely states the 20% increase in fuel economy, then the numbers work out that the diesel price is cheaper than gas.

 

Right now, gas goes for 3.60 a gallon and the price of diesel goes for 4.20. With a 20% fuel savings with the diesel, it's like paying 4.30 for the price of gas.

 

3.60 x .20 = .72

3.60 + .72 = 4.32

 

Thoughts?

[RangerM]

Diesel does cost more but if the acticle truely states the 20% increase in fuel economy, then the numbers work out that the diesel price is cheaper than gas.

 

Right now, gas goes for 3.60 a gallon and the price of diesel goes for 4.20. With a 20% fuel savings with the diesel, it's like paying 4.30 for the price of gas.

 

3.60 x .20 = .72

3.60 + .72 = 4.32

 

Thoughts?

 

In Raleigh, NC gas is going for about $3.25 and diesel for $3.99.

 

3.25*0.2=0.65

3.25+0.65 = 3.90

 

I'll call it an even exchange (based on your and my numbers). The only difference is the cost of entry (diesel = higher). There may be durability issues (many diesels will outlive their gas counterparts), but whether or not it makes any economic sense is in the eye of the beholder.

 

I am supposing that the reason diesel is so much higher is the reduced sulfur requirement. Perhaps as the technology gets better, the price will come down?

[Going_Going_Gone]

[quote ...Perhaps as the technology gets better, the price will come down?

More like: as the technology gets better, the (corporate) profits will go up :rolleyes:

[Sherminator98]

Right now, gas goes for 3.60 a gallon and the price of diesel goes for 4.20. With a 20% fuel savings with the diesel, it's like paying 4.30 for the price of gas.

 

3.60 x .20 = .72

3.60 + .72 = 4.32

 

Thoughts?

 

Have to figure that the 4.4L will cost more then a gas engine, so that increases the operating costs of diesel engine over a gasser....

[ray101988]

Idk if anyone has considered this, but in terms of aftermarket parts, diesels usually have more possibile increases when it comes to horsepower, torque, and gas mileage. So if your willing to put some money into aftermarket parts, you may see it work out a bit better(as long as your smart with what parts you buy, ie dont buy stuff that's cost doesn't make sense to the mpg you'll gain).

[atomaro]

Have to figure that the 4.4L will cost more then a gas engine, so that increases the operating costs of diesel engine over a gasser....

 

 

Some will call it a wash because of the longevity of diesel engines over gasoline powered ones. Personally, I think that theory is a load of BS.

Edited April 14, 2008 by atomaro

[7Mary3]

Never will pay for itself. Where I am at, regular gas is $3.79, diesel is $4.69. Diesels are expensive options, and with the new emission controls, the economy isn't that much better than a gas engine. Diesels don't last as long as they once did, and they often require expensive repairs before 100,000 miles. I am not buying one.

[ray101988]

Never will pay for itself. Where I am at, regular gas is $3.79, diesel is $4.69. Diesels are expensive options, and with the new emission controls, the economy isn't that much better than a gas engine. Diesels don't last as long as they once did, and they often require expensive repairs before 100,000 miles. I am not buying one.

 

Regular Gas = $3.09 near me Diesel= $3.30-$3.50 ish

Premium gas= around $3.30ish (not sure of exact number bc I usually get regular, premium only every month or so)

 

There isnt really a big diff between premium and diesel, plus doesn't diesel go down during the summer?

 

I know a lot of people with newer Ford diesels...none of them have had problems with their trucks. Also I think most people will agree that diesel engines DO last longer than gasoline engines. Another thing you need to consider is that diesels have other benefits over gasoline (ie they have torque that some people need). What kind of mpg do you think a gasoline v8 would get if it had around 500+ lbs/tq? So you need to think of the mpg difference that it would have over a similar gasoline engine (hp and tq numbers).

Edited April 14, 2008 by ray101988

[J-150]

, plus doesn't diesel go down during the summer?

 

 

 

yes because the demand for heating oil goes down

[DUCKRACER]

yes because the demand for heating oil goes down

This all makes the 3.5 EcoBoost look like the way to go unless you will be hauling HEAVY loads....

Edited April 20, 2008 by DUCKRACER

[Sherminator98]

Regular Gas = $3.09 near me Diesel= $3.30-$3.50 ish

Premium gas= around $3.30ish (not sure of exact number bc I usually get regular, premium only every month or so)

 

 

I dunno where you live in Jersey, but Diesel has been around the $4 mark for the past month and half...

[atomaro]

I dunno where you live in Jersey, but Diesel has been around the $4 mark for the past month and half...

 

There are a few left under $4.00...especially on the date he posted.

[FordFanForEver]

it will be interesting to find out the MPG of the 4.4 diesel and compare it to the MPG of the 6.2 V8

[boston]

Having driven several of the PSA/Ford diesels including the 3.6 V8, the 4.4 liter version should be a phenomenal performer.

 

But its still two years away..ARGHHHH!

 

Thats the part that I just don't get.

[donzuchowski]

Having driven several of the PSA/Ford diesels including the 3.6 V8, the 4.4 liter version should be a phenomenal performer.

 

But its still two years away..ARGHHHH!

 

Thats the part that I just don't get.

 

if samsung can make a cellphone battery run off of water then ford can do the same thing. I myself am working on developing a process in which we can take human waste like urine and poop and use it for fuel. I am also thinking what if we could take deceased people and use them as fuel? This way we can redevelope cemetarys into condo projects and homes

[ray101988]

There are a few left under $4.00...especially on the date he posted.

 

It went way up last week. So did regular and everything else too. reg is like $3.30 now Diesel jumped over $4. It was a sad sad day when I went home last weekend and saw that it jumped so high.

[Blueblood]

it will be interesting to find out the MPG of the 4.4 diesel and compare it to the MPG of the 6.2 V8

 

Well if it only has 419lb. ft. of torque then it won't be worth getting, it will probably be a several thousand dollar option and the price of diesel is 50 cents higher than gas right now, some people are saying the 6.2 might have as much as 450lb. ft.

[ray101988]

Well if it only has 419lb. ft. of torque then it won't be worth getting, it will probably be a several thousand dollar option and the price of diesel is 50 cents higher than gas right now, some people are saying the 6.2 might have as much as 450lb. ft.

 

 

I heard 350hp and 515lbs/tq. I think those numbers that are stated in here are understated.

[dosdedojack]

Diesel does cost more but if the acticle truely states the 20% increase in fuel economy, then the numbers work out that the diesel price is cheaper than gas.

 

Right now, gas goes for 3.60 a gallon and the price of diesel goes for 4.20. With a 20% fuel savings with the diesel, it's like paying 4.30 for the price of gas.

 

3.60 x .20 = .72

3.60 + .72 = 4.32

 

Thoughts?

 

I'm not a number cruncher, and just a simple working man but as I see things diesel is way over priced, especially since there is less refining involved, but diesel is fairly consistent in it's energy per gallon. Now take gasoline, add 10% alcohol and reduce it's energy per gallon by 20% to 30%. I am now using 20 - 30 % more gasohol to do the same work as before. So maybe diesel does actually cost the same as gasohol per energy output.

Adding alcohol to gasoline is really very clever if you are the recipient of fuel taxes. Consumers now have to purchase more gallons to travel the same distance. Brilliant!

[fordmantpw]

I'm not a number cruncher, and just a simple working man but as I see things diesel is way over priced, especially since there is less refining involved, but diesel is fairly consistent in it's energy per gallon. Now take gasoline, add 10% alcohol and reduce it's energy per gallon by 20% to 30%. I am now using 20 - 30 % more gasohol to do the same work as before. So maybe diesel does actually cost the same as gasohol per energy output.

Adding alcohol to gasoline is really very clever if you are the recipient of fuel taxes. Consumers now have to purchase more gallons to travel the same distance. Brilliant!

 

10% ethanol does not decrease energy per gallon by 20-30%...more like 2-3%. E85, now that is a different story. It decreases energy by 20-30% and increases fuel consumption by a similar amount.

Edited April 23, 2008 by fordmantpw

[dosdedojack]

10% ethanol does not decrease energy per gallon by 20-30%...more like 2-3%. E85, now that is a different story. It decreases energy by 20-30% and increases fuel consumption by a similar amount.

 

At least I got the simple part right!

Thanks.

[hindy]

The 4.4-litre is delayed until MY 2011 accordning to Edmunds. We need it now!

 

Edmunds

 

 

The article never said delayed....it just mentioned reported for MY 2011. Like you, I'm looking for an expedition in the near future and it would be nice if Ford surprised everyone by coming out with the diesel in 2009 or 2010. My guess, it has something to do with the International Lawsuit.

[rmc523]

The article never said delayed....it just mentioned reported for MY 2011. Like you, I'm looking for an expedition in the near future and it would be nice if Ford surprised everyone by coming out with the diesel in 2009 or 2010. My guess, it has something to do with the International Lawsuit.

 

Well, unless it's delayed by a legal issue, last I read, IIRC, it was due out a year after the 09 F-150, so I'm assuming for the 2010 MY. I too would like to see it out in other vehicles earlier (and even in the F-150), however, I feel any launch in the Expy/'Gator would be after the F-150's launch.

 

That said, with diesel prices being so high ($4.89 at my local station and increasing almost daily), unless there is significant increases in fuel economy, I'm not entirely sure how well diesel vehicles will do in the near future. Sure there will be customers that will buy them (former and current Excursion owners come to mind with the Expy application), but I'm a bit hesitant to say Ford will sell lots of them.

[hindy]

Well, unless it's delayed by a legal issue, last I read, IIRC, it was due out a year after the 09 F-150, so I'm assuming for the 2010 MY. I too would like to see it out in other vehicles earlier (and even in the F-150), however, I feel any launch in the Expy/'Gator would be after the F-150's launch.

 

That said, with diesel prices being so high ($4.89 at my local station and increasing almost daily), unless there is significant increases in fuel economy, I'm not entirely sure how well diesel vehicles will do in the near future. Sure there will be customers that will buy them (former and current Excursion owners come to mind with the Expy application), but I'm a bit hesitant to say Ford will sell lots of them.

 

I’m in complete agreement with your statement. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned significant increase in fuel economy. The common person is leery about diesels in the first place and I don’t think the common person will even do the math degrading the fuel savings between gas and diesel.

Now $5 diesel is steep, but in my region, gas sells for $4 and diesel for $4.60. If in fact the 4.4 diesel has a 20% fuel saving, diesel fuel is cheaper. Ok, I know many will throw in the fact a diesel will cost more….got it. I still want a diesel!!!