[silvrsvt]

http://www.blueovalf...showtopic=11688

Then again most of them do buy them used :shades:

[mybluegm]

The future has finally arrived.

[Paul Selby]

Going to be some pissed off old folks in Florida now.

[Gnostic]

Paul Selby, on Mar 22 2007, 02:40 PM, said:

Going to be some pissed off old folks in Florida now.

na, they will just my Grand Marquis

[NickF1011]

Gnostic, on Mar 22 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

na, they will just my Grand Marquis

Or maybe they'll get AARP to supply them with Crown Vics as fleet vehicles. :lol:

[Intrepidatious]

So does this hamper the 2009 refresh? Or will it be available to the public again then?

[NickF1011]

Intrepidatious, on Mar 22 2007, 04:00 PM, said:

So does this hamper the 2009 refresh? Or will it be available to the public again then?

I think this is probably the final death toll for the Panther in general. Despite optimism from the "mafia", I'm not expecting much of anything on the '09 refresh.

With word now of a new RWD sedan entering the lineup around 2015 (according to Blue II) I wouldn't expect any revival for the old lady.

[igor]

NickF1011, on Mar 22 2007, 04:08 PM, said:

I think this is probably the final death toll for the Panther in general. Despite optimism from the "mafia", I'm not expecting much of anything on the '09 refresh.

With word now of a new RWD sedan entering the lineup around 2015 (according to Blue II) I wouldn't expect any revival for the old lady.

the 2009 refresh of CV was always aimed squarely at the LEO fleet, and not retail appeal. I am unsure about the bearing on other panthers, but the TC is supposed to get a thorough reworking in 2009 as well.

Igor

[NickF1011]

igor, on Mar 22 2007, 04:19 PM, said:

the 2009 refresh of CV was always aimed squarely at the LEO fleet, and not retail appeal. I am unsure about the bearing on other panthers, but the TC is supposed to get a thorough reworking in 2009 as well.

Igor

Well, the TC revamp seems required more than optional. With it moving to St. Thomas, I'm sure there were certain aspects of the design that need to be changed to make it compatible with the same line the CV/GM use. I doubt we'll see anything that's really an "improvement" though.

[old_fairmont_wagon]

Of, if they're going through the trouble of reworking anything, they definitely won't back track. I mean, some harp on the Escape having rear drum brakes, but, aside from that, I believe that there will be some improvements in the platform for the 09. Nothing drastic, mind you, but, there none the less. What is more likely is that the improvements will carry over to the CV (and cvpi) and GM. So, the differentiation for the TC will likely be available options, sound deadening, and maybe a custom wheelbase. I doubt that there will be more than one engine offered. And, I firmly believe that the engine will be the 4.6L 3v sas it will be needed to raise fleet mpg figures. The F-150 is dropping the 4.6L 2v ( it may exist for a short time as a base engine offering) AFAIK, meaning that the last user of that engine will be the panthers. I can't see that supporting its own engine line. They can't backtrack on power, and we know they'd never do the work to shove a 5.4L in there. Nor would they do the work to shove a hurricane in there. Its got to be the 3V 4.6L. I think that will be a nice middleground between the Charger Hemi and 3.5L. HP will be smack in the middle as will torque. Mpg should be as good as or better than the 3.5L, with performance figures coming closer to the HEMI.

[Pioneer]

Well, I guess this is one way to force more people into the new Taurus.......

[NickF1011]

Pioneer, on Mar 22 2007, 05:39 PM, said:

Well, I guess this is one way to force more people into the new Taurus.......

Or more likely, force them into Chrysler's LX cars or GM's Zetas.

[DCK]

NickF1011, on Mar 22 2007, 04:08 PM, said:

I think this is probably the final death toll for the Panther in general. Despite optimism from the "mafia", I'm not expecting much of anything on the '09 refresh.

With word now of a new RWD sedan entering the lineup around 2015 (according to Blue II) I wouldn't expect any revival for the old lady.

2015? :hysterical:

[Deanh]

DCK, on Mar 22 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

2015? :hysterical:

Something will/ has to happen before that..Intercepter knockoff perhaps...Ford cannot ignore that market...although it seems they have for how long now??????

[2005Explorer]

silvrsvt, on Mar 22 2007, 12:41 PM, said:

http://www.blueovalf...showtopic=11688

Then again most of them do buy them used :shades:

Well didn't most retail customers that want this type of car get a Grand Marquis anyhow?

[Deanh]

2005Explorer, on Mar 22 2007, 05:02 PM, said:

Well didn't most retail customers that want this type of car get a Grand Marquis anyhow?

more chrome equates to more slow moving inventory and larger rebates....I had people wanting CV's...we didn't have any ...plenty of Marquis down the road....

[suv_guy_19]

old_fairmont_wagon, on Mar 22 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Of, if they're going through the trouble of reworking anything, they definitely won't back track. I mean, some harp on the Escape having rear drum brakes, but, aside from that, I believe that there will be some improvements in the platform for the 09. Nothing drastic, mind you, but, there none the less. What is more likely is that the improvements will carry over to the CV (and cvpi) and GM. So, the differentiation for the TC will likely be available options, sound deadening, and maybe a custom wheelbase. I doubt that there will be more than one engine offered. And, I firmly believe that the engine will be the 4.6L 3v sas it will be needed to raise fleet mpg figures. The F-150 is dropping the 4.6L 2v ( it may exist for a short time as a base engine offering) AFAIK, meaning that the last user of that engine will be the panthers. I can't see that supporting its own engine line. They can't backtrack on power, and we know they'd never do the work to shove a 5.4L in there. Nor would they do the work to shove a hurricane in there. Its got to be the 3V 4.6L. I think that will be a nice middleground between the Charger Hemi and 3.5L. HP will be smack in the middle as will torque. Mpg should be as good as or better than the 3.5L, with performance figures coming closer to the HEMI.

the E-series still uses the 2v 4.6l

[Joe771476]

Do you mean we're supposed to think that they will continue to sell GM's retail but NOT CV's? That doesn't make sense. Of course none of this makes sense! Oh wait! We're talking about Ford execs here, so no wonder IT MAKES NO SENSE!

[Blueblood]

So instead of improving their one RWD sedan they are going to abandon it?

How about an all new CV? Why is it only Ford that can't figure out how to update their cars????

And what's this about 2015? who would give a flying fuck by then? That's almost a decade away!!! What a joke!

[Traveler]

I honestly prefer the look of the Vic to the Marquis...but of course, that's just my preferences. That said, it really doesn't bother me that much. First, I'm not sure how much of a sure thing this info is, but I think most expected this move sooner or later. Second, I think the future must be the Mustang-platform for Ford to keep the Ford RWD sedan alive. The Taurus Five-Hundred isn't going to get me trading a Crown Vic for sure! Just won't happen. They are nice enough for what they are, but do very little for me personally.

With a few tweaks, however, I would be interested in the Interceptor concept in production form.