ironhorse Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I just hope some of you guys that whined,cried and slung snot about the mean old Ford Dealers selling GT500's over MSRP,will have enough left for the Dodge Dealers when they do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Hey, Nashville Pussy in the avatar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Which part? He was referring to the Mustang GT having a smaller engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I'm sure the current 4.6 is smaller than the 5.7 or 6.1. I was speaking generally about performance levels and price points. Challenger SRT8 should be roughly equivalent to GT500, Challenger R/T should be roughly equivalent to Mustang GT, etc. I've learned not to read too much into rumors regarding future Ford powertrains. I remember reading how the '96 Mustang GT SOHC 4.6 was going to make 250 hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I'm sure the current 4.6 is smaller than the 5.7 or 6.1. I was speaking generally about performance levels and price points. Challenger SRT8 should be roughly equivalent to GT500, Challenger R/T should be roughly equivalent to Mustang GT, etc. I've learned not to read too much into rumors regarding future Ford powertrains. I remember reading how the '96 Mustang GT SOHC 4.6 was going to make 250 hp. You're assuming the the 4.6 will still be in the Mustang. Blue II works for Ford and will often drop subtle hints about what is to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I don't care. That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about model equivalency for pricing levels. I'd always choose a Mustang over a Challenger, anyway. I'd love for the Mustang to get more power, but I don't know that with oil at $100 a barrel increased displacement is the best way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 (edited) Wasn't there an announcement that Chryco was only going to make 5,000 Challengers. Say hello to my little friend Added Dealer Profit. I can see these things showing up on e-bay from day 1. Edit: here it is, http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/01/chrysle...-units-in-2008/ Edited November 29, 2007 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue II Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 I don't care. That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about model equivalency for pricing levels. I'd always choose a Mustang over a Challenger, anyway. I'd love for the Mustang to get more power, but I don't know that with oil at $100 a barrel increased displacement is the best way to do it. Would you like 5.0 TTDI DOHC Modular, enough power and decent economy? Spanks Hemi's all day long. Oh........Ragamaros as well. There will not be any equals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Would you like 5.0 TTDI DOHC Modular, enough power and decent economy? Spanks Hemi's all day long. Oh........Ragamaros as well. There will not be any equals. BRING IT ON!!!!!! sounds like an AWESOME powerplant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 so $38k including destination....then one adds leather, sound system wheels etc etc ...I have a feeling the "desirables " will be a little North of 41k...plus of course the $10k markup...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 so $38k including destination....then one adds leather, sound system wheels etc etc ...I have a feeling the "desirables " will be a little North of 41k...plus of course the $10k markup...... That sounds about right Dean. I am certain they will still sell everyone of the 5,000 at a hefty profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 That sounds about right Dean. I am certain they will still sell everyone of the 5,000 at a hefty profit. no doubt....must admit GREAT looking car...way superior to the camaro.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 There is a clip of the Challenger ad on Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/cars/muscle-car-wars/t...7995-327843.php I can't help but think I have seen this concept before. Anyone remember the T-Bird ad where the guy in the Lambo pulls up next to the T-Bird. The girl gets out to drop the flag for a street race and the Lambo takes off. The T-bird sits there and the girl gets in. I think it was much more effective. Plus it didn't make the target buyer look like a douchebag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 that ad is alright. theyll be bitching about the street racing theme soon enough and it will be pulled faster than the Carl's Jr. "Flat Buns" ad. Hey, is the new Challenger gonna have plastic door panels like the 1970 model? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Would you like 5.0 TTDI DOHC Modular, enough power and decent economy? Spanks Hemi's all day long. Oh........Ragamaros as well. There will not be any equals. What are we calling enough power and decent economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 will be interesting to see/learn about Fords counter.....I for one prefer a smaller more efficient engine than pure cubes..... Ford will not counter with anything that would require any engineering abilities in North America, seeing how they have laid off any white collar technical they could to save a few dollars short-term. Now if they can find something they can beg from overseas on the cheap, they may be open to going that route. Unless you want a truck, you have to be content with something half-hearted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 that ad is alright. theyll be bitching about the street racing theme soon enough and it will be pulled faster than the Carl's Jr. "Flat Buns" ad. Hey, is the new Challenger gonna have plastic door panels like the 1970 model? :D I hope not. My college roommate had a '70 R/T convertible. Red with a white interior. The Florida sun had baked the hard plastic door panels and they turned to dust. Every time we drove that car we were covered in white dust. It was 1982 and it looked like we were having a coke party (or a really bad case of dandruff). I like the new Challenger but that commercial makes me really want a '70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Would you like 5.0 TTDI DOHC Modular, enough power and decent economy? Spanks Hemi's all day long. Oh........Ragamaros as well. There will not be any equals. Sure I'd like that. And I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 (edited) so $38k including destination....then one adds leather, sound system wheels etc etc ...I have a feeling the "desirables " will be a little North of 41k...plus of course the $10k markup...... SRT8 LX's already come stock with incredible seating (leather and suede). Stock with 20" x 9.0" aluminum wheels and Boston Acoustics sound system. Here's the seats, which I had the opportunity to sit in...very comfy and they hold you in place like glue. Of course there are more options available, but the price of the Challenger is exactly in line with other SRT8 models. I am actually surprised they did not charge more (but naturally glad they did not). The Charger SRT8 MSRP's for just about $37K and the 300C SRT8 MSRP's for almost $42K. Edited November 30, 2007 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_fairmont_wagon Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Quick numbers for ya... 4.6L 3V SOHC 300 hp / ~320 tq 5.0L 3V SOHC 320 p / 340 tq (est) Add GDI, 350 hp and 370 tq (est) Add TT, estimated power multiplier of a good, well tuned TT setup is roughly 1.4 without a complete internals overhaul. gives 490 HP and 518 lb tq. However, that doesn't take into account the reduction in compression ratio to keep it together. More conservative numbers would be 450 hp and 475 lb tq with a nice wide powerband. Heck, I'd be thrilled to see the GT get just a 5.0L 3V SOHC GDI MOD. 350 hp and 370 tq isn't bad at all. Not at all. I thought that someone "in the know" here killed the rumor that any of the MODs would see a GDI setup. He said that they had prototyped a setup for the 4.6L and 5.4L and determined that it wasn't worth it. I guess these things just have a tendency not to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Ford will not counter with anything that would require any engineering abilities in North America, seeing how they have laid off any white collar technical they could to save a few dollars short-term. Now if they can find something they can beg from overseas on the cheap, they may be open to going that route. Unless you want a truck, you have to be content with something half-hearted. bitter comment that opens up the capacity to eat crow pie...watch...you are flat out wrong...Fords counter will leapfrog the pretenders..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 When and with what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 When and with what? educated guess when they refresh...AND these new drivetrains I beleive are not just rumour. The challenger and Camaro may one up the current mustang when released, but comments such as Taxmans are from jaded minds that think Ford has sit still on developing the current vehicle.....they are ( like the F-150 ) one step ahead of the game on this car.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moby Vic Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Ford typically lets the Camaro win the horsepower race, but the Camaro is always heavier. The '94-'98 Mustangs kind of punted, though. Again, I'd love to see it, but coy hints aren't very inspiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Ford typically lets the Camaro win the horsepower race, but the Camaro is always heavier. The '94-'98 Mustangs kind of punted, though. Again, I'd love to see it, but coy hints aren't very inspiring. Ford wont risk having one of their Icons knocked off its pedestal....like the Challenger...do not like the Camaro, styling actually mMAKES the car look heavy...no grace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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