Did Steve Wilson Do The Right Thing Or Not?

[objectsinmirror]

Allllrighty then...I think Steve did the right thing...so I vote ...HELL YES....

 

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[DearbornDerek]

Ditto

[objectsinmirror]

Test....Bump

[Topgun]

Absolutely!

[DTP Body Door Hang]

Hellz Yeah Rock On Steve and 4Q! FoMoCo.

[triton-boy]

yea right only the american big 3 are evil and do no good...trash ford some more.....why doesnt any of these so called political journalist talk about how the japaneese 3 have there government working with them to keep there money floating.......... .low to help there agenda.....how americans are exploited by this...............dont think so toyota only shits gold there is no exploitation or agenda on there plate right................there god

Edited November 19, 2006 by triton-boy

[objectsinmirror]

yea right only the american big 3 are evil and do no good...trash ford some more.....why doesnt any of these so called political journalist talk about how the japaneese 3 have there government working with them to keep there money floating.......... .low to help there agenda.....how americans are exploited by this...............dont think so toyota only shits gold there is no exploitation or agenda on there plate right................there god

 

Ford of Russia, Ford of Europe, Ford of even now Turkey are all doing 100% plus over last year. 2 months ago, Russians were waiting in line to order the Russian Focus (a version you don't see here). Where is ford really doing business anyway? And where does that money go...straight to the Glass house...Where they can afford to live like kings while workers suffer...Mark Fields true colors will show through soon enough...and then we'll all see...

[DearbornDerek]

yea right only the american big 3 are evil and do no good...trash ford some more.....why doesnt any of these so called political journalist talk about how the japaneese 3 have there government working with them to keep there money floating.......... .low to help there agenda.....how americans are exploited by this...............dont think so toyota only shits gold there is no exploitation or agenda on there plate right................there god

 

Better yet, why don't they report how the CEO of toyota only makes around $300k a year..... ....never mind.

[Tony James]

yea right only the american big 3 are evil and do no good...trash ford some more.....why doesnt any of these so called political journalist talk about how the japaneese 3 have there government working with them to keep there money floating.......... .low to help there agenda.....how americans are exploited by this...............dont think so toyota only shits gold there is no exploitation or agenda on there plate right................there god

 

There is plenty of exploiting going on. See Google search. Type in The Barking Dog UAW or Type The Outside Track Toyota.

Both these publications were written by hourly workers.

[98shotoy11]

I feel this was a DAMN good thing!!!! It may be bad press for Ford but obviously Ford is not worried about money.....at least for themselves.

 

This story was an ABSOLUTE MUST to air because 30,000 of you are about to lose your jobs because supposedly there is no money. Now, if there is no money and the execs are saying that "we must all" take concessions well then why arent they apart of "we"? Why is it just the lower blue and white collar workers? Like I stated in a topic I started a few days ago, It DOESNT matter what color our collars are, we are all taking the hit here and its NOT fair!!! They get away with just throwing us out the door while they still live their lives like nothing is wrong. You feel that it is ok for them to do this? Now if this story didnt air then 99% of us would not have known how it "works" with this new restructuring plan. HEll, the way I see it is simple, "we lose our jobs and they have more money to spend". Thats the only thing I see right now anyways.

 

Another thing........if you have low seniority, TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!!! TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!! You will not regret it. IF you have a family then take the educational buyout. Send your wife to school, hell you yourself go to school. The worst thing you as a low seniority person can do is "wait" to see if enough people go.

I was let go from Ford May 2005 and we were not fortunate enough to have some type of choice for a buyout package like you do now.

Edited November 19, 2006 by 98shotoy11

[objectsinmirror]

Bump

[Trimdingman]

I feel this was a DAMN good thing!!!! It may be bad press for Ford but obviously Ford is not worried about money.....at least for themselves.

 

This story was an ABSOLUTE MUST to air because 30,000 of you are about to lose your jobs because supposedly there is no money. Now, if there is no money and the execs are saying that "we must all" take concessions well then why arent they apart of "we"? Why is it just the lower blue and white collar workers? Like I stated in a topic I started a few days ago, It DOESNT matter what color our collars are, we are all taking the hit here and its NOT fair!!! They get away with just throwing us out the door while they still live their lives like nothing is wrong. You feel that it is ok for them to do this? Now if this story didnt air then 99% of us would not have known how it "works" with this new restructuring plan. HEll, the way I see it is simple, "we lose our jobs and they have more money to spend". Thats the only thing I see right now anyways.

 

Another thing........if you have low seniority, TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!!! TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!! You will not regret it. IF you have a family then take the educational buyout. Send your wife to school, hell you yourself go to school. The worst thing you as a low seniority person can do is "wait" to see if enough people go.

I was let go from Ford May 2005 and we were not fortunate enough to have some type of choice for a buyout package like you do now.

 

Any Ford employee who wants a future with Ford, probably can have it, if he is willing to wait a while, and/or re-locate. Otherwise, he can walk away with a bundle of cash. 30,000 people? You are just one person. Do what suits you best, and let each other person do the same. When I hired on at Ford, I did not believe that they were giving me a guaranteed job for life. All that I knew was that I was going to get over five bucks an hour for as long as they would have me. That was good enough for me. This is probably the most generous downsizing in the history of the USA. Ford should be applauded for the way that they are taking care of their people. From listening to all of the crybabies, I would say that Ford is well rid of them, and they do not deserve what they are being given. Ford is not your parents. At some point in your life, you have to cut the apron strings, and stand on your own two feet. This comment is only directed at the ones who are crying because they need Ford to look after them, not the ones who are sucking it up, and moving on with their lives. If you cannot survive without Ford, then Ford should never have hired you in the first place.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Trimdingman

[Watchdevil]

Hell yeah! I am sick of corporate executives that have more money than they need to live reasonably well and happy while they mismanage business affairs, funnel money towards their own greedy goals and bonuses and dictate to us that they cannot afford to pay workers or hire additional labor. The labor force is going broke trying to make ends meet, working themselves to death to achieve impossible goals and not being able to enjoy quality enjoyable time with family, personal goals and a little something more than basic material needs. Some cannot even afford to buy the products from the company they labor for, nor contrubute enough to the economy of other businesses around them.

 

These executives generally don't care about people and the nation as a whole. Their only concerns being material wealth, social status and gain. They may care about their own families and peers.... But they are still selfish. They care about no one out outside their little self-absorbed world.

[Len_A]

Steve Wilson, WXYZ, and Scripps Howard did a sensationalist piece, designed to get lots of attention, on a subject that none of us are going to be able to do a damn thing about, and that includes the union. The only reason for the story is that November is a "sweeps" month and a nice sensationalist piece attracts ratings, and ratings mean higher ad rates next quarter. Period.

[Trimdingman]

Hell yeah! I am sick of corporate executives that have more money than they need to live reasonably well and happy while they mismanage business affairs, funnel money towards their own greedy goals and bonuses and dictate to us that they cannot afford to pay workers or hire additional labor. The labor force is going broke trying to make ends meet, working themselves to death to achieve impossible goals and not being able to enjoy quality enjoyable time with family, personal goals and a little something more than basic material needs. Some cannot even afford to buy the products from the company they labor for, nor contrubute enough to the economy of other businesses around them.

 

These executives generally don't care about people and the nation as a whole. Their only concerns being material wealth, social status and gain. They may care about their own families and peers.... But they are still selfish. They care about no one out outside their little self-absorbed world.

 

If you are a Ford line worker, then you are at the mercy of Ford. The same goes double for salaried workers. The axe can fall at any time. That is a fact of life. Ford is not your God. You are responsible for yourself. America is full of opportunity, thanks to our Democratic system. Socialists who expect others to look after them do not belong in this country. This country was built by people who knew how to look after themselves, and as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you...... Those people , when they died, left behind a legacy. They made the country better. They did not suck what other people achieved, like Steve Wilson, and Michael Moore.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Trimdingman

[MTPGUY]

I feel this was a DAMN good thing!!!! It may be bad press for Ford but obviously Ford is not worried about money.....at least for themselves.

 

This story was an ABSOLUTE MUST to air because 30,000 of you are about to lose your jobs because supposedly there is no money. Now, if there is no money and the execs are saying that "we must all" take concessions well then why arent they apart of "we"? Why is it just the lower blue and white collar workers? Like I stated in a topic I started a few days ago, It DOESNT matter what color our collars are, we are all taking the hit here and its NOT fair!!! They get away with just throwing us out the door while they still live their lives like nothing is wrong. You feel that it is ok for them to do this? Now if this story didnt air then 99% of us would not have known how it "works" with this new restructuring plan. HEll, the way I see it is simple, "we lose our jobs and they have more money to spend". Thats the only thing I see right now anyways.

 

Another thing........if you have low seniority, TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!!! TAKE THE BUYOUT!!!!!! You will not regret it. IF you have a family then take the educational buyout. Send your wife to school, hell you yourself go to school. The worst thing you as a low seniority person can do is "wait" to see if enough people go.

I was let go from Ford May 2005 and we were not fortunate enough to have some type of choice for a buyout package like you do now.

amen brother

 

 

Hell yeah! I am sick of corporate executives that have more money than they need to live reasonably well and happy while they mismanage business affairs, funnel money towards their own greedy goals and bonuses and dictate to us that they cannot afford to pay workers or hire additional labor. The labor force is going broke trying to make ends meet, working themselves to death to achieve impossible goals and not being able to enjoy quality enjoyable time with family, personal goals and a little something more than basic material needs. Some cannot even afford to buy the products from the company they labor for, nor contrubute enough to the economy of other businesses around them.

 

These executives generally don't care about people and the nation as a whole. Their only concerns being material wealth, social status and gain. They may care about their own families and peers.... But they are still selfish. They care about no one out outside their little self-absorbed world.

 

You got that right!!!! MTPGUY

 

Keep Diggin Steve and maybe you'll even find those pumps....MTPGUY

[objectsinmirror]

Hell yeah! I am sick of corporate executives that have more money than they need to live reasonably well and happy while they mismanage business affairs, funnel money towards their own greedy goals and bonuses and dictate to us that they cannot afford to pay workers or hire additional labor. The labor force is going broke trying to make ends meet, working themselves to death to achieve impossible goals and not being able to enjoy quality enjoyable time with family, personal goals and a little something more than basic material needs. Some cannot even afford to buy the products from the company they labor for, nor contrubute enough to the economy of other businesses around them.

 

These executives generally don't care about people and the nation as a whole. Their only concerns being material wealth, social status and gain. They may care about their own families and peers.... But they are still selfish. They care about no one out outside their little self-absorbed world.

 

Mark Fields takes the jet because "I have a private jet" is a better pickup line than "I work at Ford"....

[objectsinmirror]

Allllrighty then...I think Steve did the right thing...so I vote ...HELL YES....

 

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Thank you staff! I shoulda thought of that....

[Watchdevil]

Any Ford employee who wants a future with Ford, probably can have it, if he is willing to wait a while, and/or re-locate. Otherwise, he can walk away with a bundle of cash. 30,000 people? You are just one person. Do what suits you best, and let each other person do the same. When I hired on at Ford, I did not believe that they were giving me a guaranteed job for life. All that I knew was that I was going to get over five bucks an hour for as long as they would have me. That was good enough for me. This is probably the most generous downsizing in the history of the USA. Ford should be applauded for the way that they are taking care of their people. From listening to all of the crybabies, I would say that Ford is well rid of them, and they do not deserve what they are being given. Ford is not your parents. At some point in your life, you have to cut the apron strings, and stand on your own two feet. This comment is only directed at the ones who are crying because they need Ford to look after them, not the ones who are sucking it up, and moving on with their lives. If you cannot survive without Ford, then Ford should never have hired you in the first place.

 

I don't need Ford to look after me. I don't work for Ford. But I do work for a company that is stingy with payroll while not providing enough labor force to service customers adequately, nor provide a safe or adequate number of ladders to service them in a high traffic store. Meanwhile executives are living the indulgent rich life being rewarded for thinking of ways to control payroll and making sales goals while pressuring employees to get done what can only be accomplished by three or four people working at the same time, not different shifts. They are on a roll of greed to get every dollar from every person building more stores, some of them only 5 miles from each other. They need to think of ways to help their workforce and have it be more productive. Otherwise, poor customer service and less than expected sales is gonna put them all under in a matter of time.

 

Here was the answer employees got from store management when asked for more help: If you want more help sell more product. Well it's hard to sell more product when the employees are not productive getting stock down onto the shelves for customers to get it. There are only three working tall ladders in the store when there should be one for every department. Also, we are often left with one person working each department during each shift during high customer traffic days and times when customers need the most assistance. During all this time employees are expected to clean the mess customers make while shopping, put away returns, maintain housekeeping, price labeling, planograms and placement of product. Employees who already worked a full shift are often kept hostage at night after closing until the stores are fully recovered from customer mess while not going into overtime because the company won't pay for it. What the employees don't accomplish, they are constanly "threatened with changes or documentation". That is the tools managment uses for motivation instead of good morale and praise for what has been accomplished. Motivation by intimidation. Meanwhile where are the ladders, we need ladders... Oops several different customers are pissed off on a busy day because we don't have enough people to help them...

 

Concerning the ladder situation, I was told that the ladders for all the stores are repaired company that makes rounds to each store on an infrequent basis. Not by demand when they need to be repaired in a timely manner. Now wouldn't it make more sense to contract labor to someone who can repair ladders quickly on demand as needed? This could be bullshit by management because they don't wanna spend money to repair ladders because it affects their bonuses. If labor and fixed costs can be saved then it looks better on the bottom line to give store managers bonuses.

 

There are good opportunities where I work if upper management can get their heads on straight and solve the real problems. The employees work hard and theyare super great people. They are giving it their all... You can't run a company on low morale and no tools to work with... I never worked so hard in my entire life. I am paid a fair wage for these days and times. Wages are not even an issue. It's principle of making business work right, efficiently and accomplish goals while providing superior customer service and promoting good employee morale.

 

Good management is working with others to address issues and find solutions. Everyone wins in the end. Customers, Employees, Management and Stockholders....

 

However if things don't change soon I am going to go back to selling auto parts, do body estimates or service advising... If the company doesn't value and respect it's workforce then I need to go somewhere else I may be appreciated.

[triton-boy]

If you are a Ford line worker, then you are at the mercy of Ford. The same goes double for salaried workers. The axe can fall at any time. That is a fact of life. Ford is not your God. You are responsible for yourself. America is full of opportunity, thanks to our Democratic system. Socialists who expect others to look after them do not belong in this country. This country was built by people who knew how to look after themselves, and as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you...... Those people , when they died, left behind a legacy. They made the country better. They did not suck what other people achieved, like Steve Wilson, and Michael Moore.

right on.fords is in the gutter and getting its teeth kicked in....easy prey.easy story now if this steve dude would say wow how did an american icon like this reach so low? is it 100% there fault or outside factors.....dont think so..its easy to bash and not look at the whole story.................steve is no friend of the ordinary honest worker which out number the screw-ups 10 to 1 but.............its easier to just pick on the stuff that makes head lines................screw him..................... :blah:

[Tony James]

If you are a Ford line worker, then you are at the mercy of Ford. The same goes double for salaried workers. The axe can fall at any time. That is a fact of life. Ford is not your God. You are responsible for yourself. America is full of opportunity, thanks to our Democratic system. Socialists who expect others to look after them do not belong in this country. This country was built by people who knew how to look after themselves, and as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you...... Those people , when they died, left behind a legacy. They made the country better. They did not suck what other people achieved, like Steve Wilson, and Michael Moore.

Hey Trimdingman,

I often stop to read your posts. I have plenty of time to do that these days considering I'm facing a plant closing. I don't agree with you often times, but I still enjoy your thoughts.

Employees don't come to work for Ford with the intention of working temporarily. Take me for instance. I started 6 months after high school back in 1977. I had no skills other than street smarts I began to learn on a playground.

When I hit that line that first time, as much as I hated it, I saw it as my bread and butter for the next 30 years. It is no different for everyone who begins their employment with this company whether they are salary or hourly.

If I am at the "mercy" of Ford, just what does that mean to you? To me being at their mercy means trusting they will keep me employed by engineering viable products according to the fickle customer.

Instead, they conducted themselves as if they are intoxicated by their profits by running this company into the ground.

Ford demanded lower and lower prices for their parts. Suppliers were forced to cut and cut costs in their plants. When they did it left them running on a shoestring budget for many of them. Corners are cut dramatically which affects quality.

Dealers are not always compensated for everything they do for the price of the service they provide the customers we depend upon.

Ford launches boring products engineered and managed by high dollar executives. The company hasn't had the foresight or desire to make changes according to market changes because they were holding onto the hopes of larger vehicle profits such as trucks and SUVs instead of smaller, dynamically styled smaller vehicles.

The rhetoric pounded into us by the company and hourly coordinators during FPS orientation was the company's intention to change their dogmatic culture.

What changed was drawing the workers into a mindset that the interests of the company was more important the the collective interests of the plant workforce.

Such philosophy was destined to fail for us from the beginning because the company thinks globally and hourly and plant-level salary personel always thinks locally.

Regardless of how much we cut and cut we will never, ever be able to compete globally. No one with a straight face thinks you and I can keep a plant open when we compete with a plant in Vietnam where median income is one or two bucks A DAY.

Contrary to your opinion about this country being built by people who knew how to take care of themselves, be reminded that this country's earliest days were steeped in slavery. By the way, I'm a white guy with a long lineage of family history from Georgia and Tennessee.

During the depression the vast part of American society depended upon subsidies from the state. If that would not have happened we may have seen another civil war in the last century.

Corporations are the biggest Socialist in America. They and their lobbyists dump millions upon millions into the coffers of politicians to reap favors worth far more than they invest in for the next election. Then they still open plants in another country.

If we were to subscribe to your raw view of the American ideal I suspect it would look alot like something Ayn Rand would embrace. If it ever comes to that your kids or grand kids may be facing a civil war in this country.

 

 

 

Hey Trimdingman,

I often stop to read your posts. I have plenty of time to do that these days considering I'm facing a plant closing. I don't agree with you often times, but I still enjoy your thoughts.

Employees don't come to work for Ford with the intention of working temporarily. Take me for instance. I started 6 months after high school back in 1977. I had no skills other than street smarts I began to learn on a playground.

When I hit that line that first time, as much as I hated it, I saw it as my bread and butter for the next 30 years. It is no different for everyone who begins their employment with this company whether they are salary or hourly.

If I am at the "mercy" of Ford, just what does that mean to you? To me being at their mercy means trusting they will keep me employed by engineering viable products according to the fickle customer.

Instead, they conducted themselves as if they are intoxicated by their profits by running this company into the ground.

Ford demanded lower and lower prices for their parts. Suppliers were forced to cut and cut costs in their plants. When they did it left them running on a shoestring budget for many of them. Corners are cut dramatically which affects quality.

Dealers are not always compensated for everything they do for the price of the service they provide the customers we depend upon.

Ford launches boring products engineered and managed by high dollar executives. The company hasn't had the foresight or desire to make changes according to market changes because they were holding onto the hopes of larger vehicle profits such as trucks and SUVs instead of smaller, dynamically styled smaller vehicles.

The rhetoric pounded into us by the company and hourly coordinators during FPS orientation was the company's intention to change their dogmatic culture.

What changed was drawing the workers into a mindset that the interests of the company was more important the the collective interests of the plant workforce.

Such philosophy was destined to fail for us from the beginning because the company thinks globally and hourly and plant-level salary personel always thinks locally.

Regardless of how much we cut and cut we will never, ever be able to compete globally. No one with a straight face thinks you and I can keep a plant open when we compete with a plant in Vietnam where median income is one or two bucks A DAY.

Contrary to your opinion about this country being built by people who knew how to take care of themselves, be reminded that this country's earliest days were steeped in slavery. By the way, I'm a white guy with a long lineage of family history from Georgia and Tennessee.

During the depression the vast part of American society depended upon subsidies from the state. If that would not have happened we may have seen another civil war in the last century.

Corporations are the biggest Socialist in America. They and their lobbyists dump millions upon millions into the coffers of politicians to reap favors worth far more than they invest in for the next election. Then they still open plants in another country.

If we were to subscribe to your raw view of the American ideal I suspect it would look alot like something Ayn Rand would embrace. If it ever comes to that your kids or grand kids may be facing a civil war in this country.

I forgot one final point. You accuse Michael Moore and Steve Wilson of sucking off what other's have achieved. What about Bill Ford? He made his money the old fashioned way. It was inherited.

[tiberiuswise]

I wonder if they report the value of the flights as taxable income.

[Len_A]

I wonder if they report the value of the flights as taxable income.

I think they do, and I recall one part of the TV report saying that in a few cases, the company was paying the income tax on the taxable value of the flights.

[J-150]

I wonder if they report the value of the flights as taxable income.

 

 

 

I think they are required to under Sarbanes-Oxley

Edited November 20, 2006 by J-150

[Trimdingman]

Hey Trimdingman,

I often stop to read your posts. I have plenty of time to do that these days considering I'm facing a plant closing. I don't agree with you often times, but I still enjoy your thoughts.

Employees don't come to work for Ford with the intention of working temporarily. Take me for instance. I started 6 months after high school back in 1977. I had no skills other than street smarts I began to learn on a playground.

When I hit that line that first time, as much as I hated it, I saw it as my bread and butter for the next 30 years. It is no different for everyone who begins their employment with this company whether they are salary or hourly.

If I am at the "mercy" of Ford, just what does that mean to you? To me being at their mercy means trusting they will keep me employed by engineering viable products according to the fickle customer.

Instead, they conducted themselves as if they are intoxicated by their profits by running this company into the ground.

Ford demanded lower and lower prices for their parts. Suppliers were forced to cut and cut costs in their plants. When they did it left them running on a shoestring budget for many of them. Corners are cut dramatically which affects quality.

Dealers are not always compensated for everything they do for the price of the service they provide the customers we depend upon.

Ford launches boring products engineered and managed by high dollar executives. The company hasn't had the foresight or desire to make changes according to market changes because they were holding onto the hopes of larger vehicle profits such as trucks and SUVs instead of smaller, dynamically styled smaller vehicles.

The rhetoric pounded into us by the company and hourly coordinators during FPS orientation was the company's intention to change their dogmatic culture.

What changed was drawing the workers into a mindset that the interests of the company was more important the the collective interests of the plant workforce.

Such philosophy was destined to fail for us from the beginning because the company thinks globally and hourly and plant-level salary personel always thinks locally.

Regardless of how much we cut and cut we will never, ever be able to compete globally. No one with a straight face thinks you and I can keep a plant open when we compete with a plant in Vietnam where median income is one or two bucks A DAY.

Contrary to your opinion about this country being built by people who knew how to take care of themselves, be reminded that this country's earliest days were steeped in slavery. By the way, I'm a white guy with a long lineage of family history from Georgia and Tennessee.

During the depression the vast part of American society depended upon subsidies from the state. If that would not have happened we may have seen another civil war in the last century.

Corporations are the biggest Socialist in America. They and their lobbyists dump millions upon millions into the coffers of politicians to reap favors worth far more than they invest in for the next election. Then they still open plants in another country.

If we were to subscribe to your raw view of the American ideal I suspect it would look alot like something Ayn Rand would embrace. If it ever comes to that your kids or grand kids may be facing a civil war in this country.

 

I forgot one final point. You accuse Michael Moore and Steve Wilson of sucking off what other's have achieved. What about Bill Ford? He made his money the old fashioned way. It was inherited.

 

 

I do not believe that any good ever came from money obtained from the government. I abhore slavery. That is the left taken to the extreme. I believe that slavery was also very inefficient. If you "own" someone, you have to take care of him totally, not just pay him a wage. There is no incentive for him to excel. He probably hates your guts, and if you are handy with the whip, would put a knife in you if he got the chance. It would have been better, if they had brought these laborers over for a year, paid them a lump sum, and then transported them back, and brought over a new bunch. It would have been totally voluntary on their part. I agree with a lot that you say. We share much common ground. Maybe you would like to steer the ship a bit to the left. I would like to steer it a bit to the right. People on the far left, like Steve Wilson, Michael Moore, Hillary Clinton, and Jesse Jackson would like to steer it into an iceberg.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Trimdingman