suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/.../708260321/1046 Let the negative spin begin....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) "according to a spokesman for Bill McCoy Ford Lincoln Mercury of Muncie" the spins started right in the first post. $7.9 Edited August 26, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 "according to a spokesman for Bill McCoy Ford Lincoln Mercury of Muncie" the spins started right in the first post. $7.9 No, that would be positive spin, the negative spin began with you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 "according to a spokesman for Bill McCoy Ford Lincoln Mercury of Muncie" the spins started right in the first post. $7.9 LOL, Enter stage right, pcsario, just like clock work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) LOL, Enter stage right, pcsario, just like clock work. I actually added the line because I knew he was on and he would be the first to say nay lol.... Edited August 26, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm happy to hear that most people that test drive it, buy it. Now, make a model that a lot more people want to test drive. But the reality is, as you always say, its the Blue Oval that keeps people away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyb82 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Good thing there is a near-identical waterfall-badged alternative!! But the reality is, as you always say, its the Blue Oval that keeps people away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Look at the Mustang and F-series. In those models, people forget the oval because of the design and performance the vehicle has. Build enough like that and the brand image changes. Keep building ho-hum vehicles and the stigma stays. Thats not why those succeed. Ford basically left the midsize market. It takes time to come back. The fusion in most opinions is a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 "according to a spokesman for Bill McCoy Ford Lincoln Mercury of Muncie" the spins started right in the first post. $7.9 By the way,the stock price fell with most others last wednesday, bottomed out on Friday and started recovering. I agree $7.90 is still bad and until Ford North America starts making a profit, the stock will sit low. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=F&t=5d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 "according to a spokesman for Bill McCoy Ford Lincoln Mercury of Muncie" the spins started right in the first post. $7.9 You are a douchebag. Sit on that and spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Then explain it to me. Why do those models succeed? The "good start" excuse doesn't cut it with me. Ford should have aimed to be the best with it's new models, not the middle. Constantly chasing the pack doesn't make you a class leader. Going by that way of thinking, why isn't the Aura selling better then the Fusion? Theres no excuse since its just as good as the top selling Japanese cars according the automotive press... As for the F-150 and Mustang...they both have a long history behind them (like the Camord duo) and people know what they are and trust them...and there has been some pretty shitty mustangs out there in the past, far worse then what the Fusion ever was. People claim that the Fusion is so far behind the "class leaders" that even it was class leading, they would still nickpick it death because it has a blue oval on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Look at the Mustang and F-series. In those models, people forget the oval because of the design and performance the vehicle has. Build enough like that and the brand image changes. Keep building ho-hum vehicles and the stigma stays. Hey, Mustang doesnt have the oval on it anywhere (except some wheel options IIRC) maybe thats why people buy it?!? (just kidding) everyone knows Mustang = Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I had a long argument typed up, but I give up. You people just don't get it. Agree to disagree? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I had a long argument typed up, but I give up. You people just don't get it. Try a short, cogent one, if you can. Take the goo and drivel out, and see how your précis looks. You might surprise yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) http://www.cwwcardesign.com/cars/ford_fusion_compact.html I found this when I googled Fusion. Its interesting. Doesnt look bad IMO. Interesting concept. I guess it's supposed to be a compact (Focus size maybe?) If so, it could fill the hatchback gap abandoned by the Focus hatchbacks. However, would it then be easier to put it on the Focus platform instead of a shorted CD3, thus making it easier to build a Focus hatchback again? Maybe Ford could just make it a Fusion hatchback?, test the waters, Camcord dont offer anything like this. Edited August 27, 2007 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 , there is no competition for Mustang (yet) Sure there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 (edited) . Edited August 27, 2007 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 ??????????? This topic is about the Fusion. EDIT: I was using the F-150 and Mustang as examples of why design and performance are important for vehicle sales. Sorry about that, I got confused and thought you were referring to F-150 about it not being competitive. As for Fusion, hopefully the 09 MCE will make the Fusion at least at Camcord levels if not above them, in terms of engines, interior, etc. (which is no small task) IMO the current Fusion already does that design-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagrah01 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 People claim that the Fusion is so far behind the "class leaders" that even it was class leading, they would still nickpick it death because it has a blue oval on it. Please stop saying this. You can "if" and "but" all you want. Fact is "if" grandma had balls she would be grandpa. Ford went middle of the road "if" they would have shot for top of the pack, who knows they really could have won me or other buyers over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Please stop saying this. You can "if" and "but" all you want. Fact is "if" grandma had balls she would be grandpa. Ford went middle of the road "if" they would have shot for top of the pack, who knows they really could have won me or other buyers over. Pealse define this thing that is "class leading." No one has really said what is the "best" interior, exterior, engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Please stop saying this. You can "if" and "but" all you want. Fact is "if" grandma had balls she would be grandpa. Ford went middle of the road "if" they would have shot for top of the pack, who knows they really could have won me or other buyers over. Where do you see if in my statement? Also how do your needs or wants quantify what the majority or whatever market Ford was shooting for? Its simple enough, if Ford doesn't offer you what you want you can go someplace else if you want to. There are penetly of cars out there that aren't class leading, but yet are the best sellers in their respective categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 What direct competition is there to Mustang on the market currently? This thread is about the Fusion rmc, so let's not hijack it shall we. If you don't know that there is competition for the Mustang maybe you should learn a little more about the auto industry. If it's really that important to you go start a thread about it and I'll be happy to educate you. Lets keep this thread on it's intended topic though ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 The current model isn't competitive, and the name and history have nothing to do with it. That's about the gist of it. That is your OPINION Pioneer and saying it over and over doesn't make it fact. The fact is that the consensus out there from auto media is that it's a credible competitor, and class leading in two areas: quality and handling and competitive in just about every other area. I would say quality and handling are very important areas to be competitive in, especially quality. Exterior looks, roominess, gas mileage especially with I4 is competitive. Overall, the Fusion is competitive and credible entry in mid sized class. I give you fact, not OPINION. If you disagree, show me where quality is not good and handling is not better than most in class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 (edited) This thread is about the Fusion rmc, so let's not hijack it shall we. If you don't know that there is competition for the Mustang maybe you should learn a little more about the auto industry. If it's really that important to you go start a thread about it and I'll be happy to educate you. Lets keep this thread on it's intended topic though ok? I deleted my posts about Mustang and F-150, before I move back to the Fusion topic I'm gonna say one last thing about my 'no Mustang competition' comment. I was thinking more towards 'Pony Wars' competition, I should've clarified. Anyways, back to Fusion... I think the Fusion is a credible entry into the midsize segment. It gives Ford a foundation of solid quality and a good reputation to build upon. Those factors is what originally gave Camcord sales, and can help Ford bring those lost sales back. No company is going to have a home run vehicle that gets to say 400K sales per year instantly anymore. Look at how long it took Camry to get there. Ford is slowly chipping away at the midsize market with Fusion and to an extent Taurus. IMO the 09 MCE will help Fusion further with updated looks/engines, etc. Hopefully it will be at least equal to Camcord in the interior dept. (i find the current interior nice) and it'll lose the brick, use better materials, maybe a more upscale look?, etc. We'll see, only time will tell how Fusion does against Camcord. So far, it's done pretty well if you ask me (without repeating myself). Great new products like Fusion, Edge, Taurus/X, Flex, etc. will help/are helping to put Ford back on the map for customers. Hopefully Ford will also begin to upgrade the interiors of vehicles even more. I find the overall design of them great, but there are too many hard plastics everywhere on too many vehicles. My friend considered an Escape, but ended up with a Compass (don't ask, I dont know why either), she said the interior plastics were too hard everwhere (she looked at a lower end Escape though, maybe that changes w/ a higher end one? I kinda doubt it though), I havent really talked to her much about it, though. Also Ford needs more, better marketing, like Fusion Challenge. It's been ages since I've seen one of those ads. They need more Fusion Challenge ads as well as Edge Challenge ads, Taurus/X Challenge ads, do a 'Challenge' ad for every vehicle!! My dad's friend was planning on getting an F-150, but wasn't sure if he needed it, my dad recommended an Edge, he had no clue what it was (he doesnt use internet either). You're not necessarily going to reach everybody on the internet, so thats not the only way to go. Better advertising for all Ford products including Fusion will help drive sales too. Ford says most people that come test drive a new Ford end up buying one, people wont come test drive one if they don't know what it is. More, more interesting advertising will only help, Ford! Ford is being cautious and taking baby steps to rebuild itself, they could use a daring product like Interceptor or MKR, it would bring interest back to the Ford brand. They'd come to see that car and could find another vehicle they found was better to suit their needs. Ford needs to use it's own slogan 'Bold Moves'!! Sorry, I kinda went off on a rant. Consider it constructive criticism With all that said, Go Ford! :cheerleader: I'm all for Ford and believe they can do it, especially with Mulally at the helm now. Edited August 27, 2007 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I'm happy to hear that most people that test drive it, buy it. Now, make a model that a lot more people want to test drive. Strangely, the 500 had the same sort of sales power. People who found out about it and test drove it liked it. It's just most people didn't know about it. Hence the Taurus name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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