one2gamble Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I thought the edge was coming in spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llog215 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 No 98% of models are not released in the fall. Nowadays you start selling the product when you can get it to market. The Camry in March? Dodge Caliber,Aspen and others. And lots of other product to be released by variuos carmakers. I would hardly call the Camry or Aspen new. The Aspen is basically a spruced up Durango and the Camry shares over 50% of it's components with the outgoing model and both are produced in existing facilities. Neither of which compare to introducing an all new name plate, on an all new body, in an extensively updated facility, like the Edge/MKX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) I would hardly call the Camry or Aspen new. The Aspen is basically a spruced up Durango and the Camry shares over 50% of it's components with the outgoing model and both are produced in existing facilities. Neither of which compare to introducing an all new name plate, on an all new body, in an extensively updated facility, like the Edge/MKX. I thought the Edge was a Ford badged Mazda? Would that qualify as a new model? So according to your criteria how many new models are introduced in one year? One? Okay. You named 3. What about the other 60-70 new models coming out this year? That is a childish response. Of course there are many other models being released. Jeep Wrangler, full size GM SUVs', etc. Edited January 16, 2006 by Bluecon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llog215 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I thought the Edge was a Ford badged Mazda? Would that qualify as a new model? So according to your criteria how many new models are introduced in one year? One? Hardly a rebadged Mazda. Do you even know which one was produced first? The only thing they share is a platform. Sheet metal, powertrains, interiors, etc. are all unique. No. Two. The Caliber is also a new product..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) Hardly a rebadged Mazda. Do you even know which one was produced first? The only thing they share is a platform. Sheet metal, powertrains, interiors, etc. are all unique. No. Two. The Caliber is also a new product..... Then we would only have a 50% rate of introducing cars in the fall, not 98%? Edited January 16, 2006 by Bluecon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llog215 Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Then we would only have a 50% rate of introducing cars in the fall, not 98%? Fall, Spring, Summer, whatever. It doesn't really matter. You launch the vehicle when it is ready to be launched successfully. There's no point in rushing a product to market and having it hampered due to quality issues. We've been down that road before (Focus). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swenson88 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Fall, Spring, Summer, whatever. It doesn't really matter. You launch the vehicle when it is ready to be launched successfully. There's no point in rushing a product to market and having it hampered due to quality issues. We've been down that road before (Focus). I think this is the right idea - give up the old Sept.-Oct. introductions and just introduce vehicles when you are sure they're production ready. Any season. I don't see a good reason to plan all your launches for the Fall, if you spread them out throughout the year you can have a constant flow of new product in your showroom to get people in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I thought the Edge was a Ford badged Mazda? Would that qualify as a new model? The Edge is based on the Fusion platform, which was based on the Mazda6 platform. The Edge is NOT based on the Mazda CX-7. The Edge was entirely developed by Ford and completely independently from the CX-7, so no, there's nothing rebadged about it at all. As someone else said...you launch a vehicle when it is ready. What difference does it make WHEN during the year that is? None really. Sure, you might get a 3-4 month "jump" on the competition, but where does that really get you? Nowhere. A fall launch sure didn't seem to hurt the Mustang, despite it being a vehicle geared more toward "fair" weather. The new Civic, Accord, Sonata, Corolla, etc -- all fall launches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) What's so "unbelievable" about this? Hardly anyone will. 98% of new vehicle introductions are done in the FALL, as it has always been. And there will be at least one early-arrival model before fall: the GT500. The Edge is based on the Fusion platform, which was based on the Mazda6 platform. The Edge is NOT based on the Mazda CX-7. The Edge was entirely developed by Ford and completely independently from the CX-7, so no, there's nothing rebadged about it at all. As someone else said...you launch a vehicle when it is ready. What difference does it make WHEN during the year that is? None really. Sure, you might get a 3-4 month "jump" on the competition, but where does that really get you? Nowhere. A fall launch sure didn't seem to hurt the Mustang, despite it being a vehicle geared more toward "fair" weather. The new Civic, Accord, Sonata, Corolla, etc -- all fall launches. Is this the same guy? Edited January 17, 2006 by Bluecon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Is this the same guy? Yes. I don't see any inconsistencies with my position. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The Mustang was commissioned by the British at a relatively low cost. Built/engineered in the USA but of British origin. Uh the Brits wanted to buy more P-40's, but North American didnt want to build them for them...more history in the link I provided http://www.flightjournal.com/plane_profile...ang_history.asp The American government had a program to develop a new fighter into which they poured a lot of capital. The fighter was an abysmal failure. Uh which fighter was this? Ford GAA Engine info http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/yore/gaa.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecon Posted January 20, 2006 Author Share Posted January 20, 2006 Uh the Brits wanted to buy more P-40's, but North American didnt want to build them for them...more history in the link I provided http://www.flightjournal.com/plane_profile...ang_history.asp Uh which fighter was this? Ford GAA Engine info http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/yore/gaa.htm I think it was called the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I think it was called the Fusion. i guess we should start calling you the Fusion troll here..thats all you bitch about here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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