Latest Round of Corsair Spy Shots show plug in flap

[rmc523]

It's no surprise, but the latest round of Corsair spy shots show a flap in the camo for the plug in charge port....

 

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/07/electric-lincoln-2020-corsair-phev-appears-in-arizona/

 

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/07/lincoln-corsair-crossover-spied-in-hybrid-guise.html

 

 

 

This last image shows it next to what presumably is the new Escape, and you can clearly see the differences.

[twintornados]

Looks like they fixed the rear seat leg room issue...

[snooter]

Looks like a truckster....

[bzcat]

 

 

This last image shows it next to what presumably is the new Escape, and you can clearly see the differences.

 

I'm glad you pointed it out...

 

Corsair has straight belt line and the rear mirror attach to the doors.

 

Escape has curve belt line (like the new Focus) and the rear mirror attach to the A-pillar.

[The Handler]

It looks longer, lower, and wider.

[Assimilator]

It does get a 2.5L Hybrid and PHEV, Lincoln's first car with a plug.

[tbone]

I still think Ford should have bought Lucid Motors to be rebranded as a Lincoln. Thats a pretty sweet looking EV. It wouldve brought immediate attention to Lincoln, and helped remove that old Town Car association.

[Assimilator]

I'm sure Ford would love their own Tesla but they can't make the business work. I think Lincoln is a terrible brand upon which to launch a high-end EV, it's not going to attract the right customers. Ford will have better luck.

[fuzzymoomoo]

It does get a 2.5L Hybrid and PHEV, Lincoln's first car with a plug.

Second. Aviator is the first.

[1984Poke]

It does get a 2.5L Hybrid and PHEV, Lincoln's first car with a plug.

I know what I like and want in terms of a vehicle (reliable, quiet, luxurious, nice-looking, reasonably good gas mileage, etc.) but know waaayyy less than others on this board about the underlying mechanics of things, thus I have a few questions for anyone on here who is knowledgeable about hybrid vs PHEV.

 

First let me say that I leased a 2013 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid from 2013-16 and really liked it. It was propelled by either the electric motor or the gasoline motor, depending on the situation (how far I was driving, how leadfooted I was, etc.). The batteries that propelled the car (when called upon) were recharged by the gasoline engine, as needed. All that I understand. What I do not understand is PHEV.

 

What are the fundamental differences between a hybrid vehicle and a PHEV vehicle? (I assume PHEV refers to plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, yes?)

 

Would a PHEV vehicle also have a gasoline engine, just as a hybrid vehicle does? If so, does that mean that the batteries in a PHEV get recharged only when plugged in to an electrical outlet and do NOT get recharged by the gasoline engine while driving?

 

What are the advantages and disadvantages of one vs the other? Would the answer to that question be dependent on the type of driving (mostly in town driving vs mostly highway cruising) that I normally do? I guess the bottom line is: Am I better off with a PHEV vs the type of hybrid vehicle I had with my 2013 MKZ H?

 

I really do not know why one would be better than the other (if one IS better than the other), and I hope people here can enlighten me. Thanks.

Edited July 21, 2018 by 1984Poke

[SoonerLS]

The only functional difference between a PHEV and a regular hybrid is that the PHEV can be charged from an external source. If you can plug it in at home and/or your destination; your commute is short enough; and you don't travel over a set speed, the PHEV will burn almost no gasoline, as it doesn't have to run the ICE to charge the batteries (although most, if not all, will periodically run the ICE just to keep it in good working order).

 

The PHEV and regular hybrid both use the ICE to charge the batteries; the PHEV simply adds the external charging capability.

Edited July 21, 2018 by SoonerLS

[1984Poke]

The only functional difference between a PHEV and a regular hybrid is that the PHEV can be charged from an external source. If you can plug it in at home and/or your destination; your commute is short enough; and you don't travel over a set speed, the PHEV will burn almost no gasoline, as it doesn't have to run the ICE to charge the batteries (although most, if not all, will periodically run the ICE just to keep it in good working order).

Thank you but that sort of raises another question for me, then: If that capability (PHEV can be charged from an external source) really is the only functional difference, why would a manufacturer go to the expense and trouble of offering two hybrid versions?

 

Is not the ability to be charged by plugging in to an outlet a sufficiently desirable feature that just about everyone would want that, thus the manufacturer would choose not to go to the trouble and expense of offering two types of hybrid? I am not trying to be a jerk with regard to your answer, I am just trying to understand. Thanks.

[sullynd]

PHEVs typically have larger batteries, and can run longer on pure EV than typical HEVs

[fuzzymoomoo]

Thank you but that sort of raises another question for me, then: If that capability (PHEV can be charged from an external source) really is the only functional difference, why would a manufacturer go to the expense and trouble of offering two hybrid versions?

 

Is not the ability to be charged by plugging in to an outlet a sufficiently desirable feature that just about everyone would want that, thus the manufacturer would choose not to go to the trouble and expense of offering two types of hybrid? I am not trying to be a jerk with regard to your answer, I am just trying to understand. Thanks.

its usually a matter of price point. A FHEV is cheaper than a PHEV so you can cover more of the market. Its also a matter of preference too. Some people dont want to bother with cords and are ok with not having as much electric range as a PHEV.

[1984Poke]

Interesting, fuzzymoomoo. Thank you.

 

I really liked the fact that, with the MKZ at least, the prices for the hybrid and the ICE versions were identical (one of the things that persuaded me to try a hybrid back in 2013). Do you think it is likely that at least the standard hybrid Corsair will be priced the same as the ICE Corsair in the new version coming out in a year or two?

[fuzzymoomoo]

Interesting, fuzzymoomoo. Thank you.

 

I really liked the fact that, with the MKZ at least, the prices for the hybrid and the ICE versions were identical (one of the things that persuaded me to try a hybrid back in 2013). Do you think it is likely that at least the standard hybrid Corsair will be priced the same as the ICE Corsair in the new version coming out in a year or two?

Thats the $1,000,000 question.

[1984Poke]

Well, it seems to me that if auto manufacturers want to encourage buyers to go hybrid, they will price the hybrid and ICE versions identically. As I recall, Ford and Lincoln got some positive publicity from offering the hybrid and ICE versions of the Fusion and MKZ at the same prices. I really hope that continues....

Edited July 21, 2018 by 1984Poke

[fuzzymoomoo]

Well, it seems to me that if auto manufacturers want to encourage buyers to go hybrid, they will price the hybrid and ICE versions identically. As I recall, Ford and Lincoln got some positive publicity from offering the hybrid and ICE versions of the Fusion and MKZ at the same prices. I really hope that continues....

That was only the MKZ. Fusion Hybrid has a higher base price than the gas Fusion.

[akirby]

PHeVs have much larger batteries and can run on battery power alone for 20-30 miles usually. That’s a big cost difference compared to a regular hybrid.

 

Once the stored charge is used up it works just like a regular hybrid.

[1984Poke]

Really? I did not realize that. Thanks for the info, fuzzy.

 

By the way, what does the F in FHEV stand for?

Edited July 22, 2018 by 1984Poke

[jpd80]

FHEV normally stands for Fuel Cell Hybrid Electric vehicle, Toyota is working on this,

the fuel cell replaces the gasoline engine and generated electric current directly from gasoline.

 

I think Fuzzy was referring to a basic HEV with smaller battery being lower price versus a PHEV

I noticed with Fusion / MKZ hybrids, the higher the trim the lower the cost of the hybrid option

with MKZ being no added cost compared to Fusion Titanium.

 

I think this will be the case with future Lincoln models as Ford wants to sell more high end

electrifed vehicles and make base HEVs more expensive than their conventional gas versions.

Edited July 22, 2018 by jpd80

[ibinubu12]

FHEV normally stands for Fuel Cell Hybrid Electric vehicle, Toyota is working on this,

the fuel cell replaces the gasoline engine and generated electric current directly from gasoline.

 

I think Fuzzy was referring to a basic HEV with smaller battery being lower price versus a PHEV

I noticed with Fusion / MKZ hybrids, the higher the trim the lower the cost of the hybrid option

with MKZ being no added cost compared to Fusion Titanium.

 

I think this will be the case with future Lincoln models as Ford wants to sell more high end

electrifed vehicles and make base HEVs more expensive than their conventional gas versions.

 

FHEV = Full Hybrid Electric Vehicle

PHEV = Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle

FCEV = Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle

 

C-Max had a FHEV and PHEV, for example.

Edited July 22, 2018 by ibinubu12

[Harley Lover]

PHeVs have much larger batteries and can run on battery power alone for 20-30 miles usually. That’s a big cost difference compared to a regular hybrid.

 

Once the stored charge is used up it works just like a regular hybrid.

 

This is the best explanation. I've owned an EV (Focus electric), Plug in hybrid and hybrid (C-Max Energi and C-Max hybrid).

 

The plug in has a much larger high voltage battery, which allows the car to go 20+ miles on electric only. Thus for your scenario with a lot of in town driving and perhaps a relatively short commute, you could conceivably drive on battery only, come home and recharge, and not burn any gas. As mentioned in one of the posts, the computer on the Energi will run the gas engine on occasion to ensure the engine is operated and also to prevent the gas from getting too old.

 

On the Energi you can choose EV only (battery), gas only (I use this mode for highway driving), or hybrid. As Akirby mentioned, once the high voltage battery is discharged (not empty, the computer won't allow that), the car operates as a hybrid until you recharge again.

 

The hybrid does not have an EV only mode. It operates as a hybrid only. Its high voltage battery is much smaller than the Energi, because it only supports hybrid mode and does not support EV only mode.

 

Hybrids are less expensive than their plug in counterparts simply because the high voltage battery is smaller with less capacity. The plug in offers EV only range, which can be very helpful if your driving needs can be supported by the electric range offered.

[ice-capades]

 

This is the best explanation. I've owned an EV (Focus electric), Plug in hybrid and hybrid (C-Max Energi and C-Max hybrid).

 

The plug in has a much larger high voltage battery, which allows the car to go 20+ miles on electric only. Thus for your scenario with a lot of in town driving and perhaps a relatively short commute, you could conceivably drive on battery only, come home and recharge, and not burn any gas. As mentioned in one of the posts, the computer on the Energi will run the gas engine on occasion to ensure the engine is operated and also to prevent the gas from getting too old.

 

On the Energi you can choose EV only (battery), gas only (I use this mode for highway driving), or hybrid. As Akirby mentioned, once the high voltage battery is discharged (not empty, the computer won't allow that), the car operates as a hybrid until you recharge again.

 

The hybrid does not have an EV only mode. It operates as a hybrid only. Its high voltage battery is much smaller than the Energi, because it only supports hybrid mode and does not support EV only mode.

 

Hybrids are less expensive than their plug in counterparts simply because the high voltage battery is smaller with less capacity. The plug in offers EV only range, which can be very helpful if your driving needs can be supported by the electric range offered.

 

Customers considering BEV vehicles need to realize that the published driving range for BEV (electric only) vehicles is only an estimate and subject to a number of variables including weather/temperature, type of terrain (flat/hills), accessory (A/C) use, how the vehicle is driven, etc.

[sullynd]

All of which impacts range on an ICE as well.