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#61 OFFLINE   jpd80

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 07:41 PM

I got that from ford source but could be wrong

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 07:49 PM

I got that from ford source but could be wrong


I would expect that it carries some DEW98 DNA, but I doubt that you'd find much design carryover. DEW98 had some inherent flaws that you wouldn't want in a new platform.

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:51 PM

I would expect that it carries some DEW98 DNA, but I doubt that you'd find much design carryover. DEW98 had some inherent flaws that you wouldn't want in a new platform.

I understand that and was thinking that it was just a starting point as inspiration

of what Ford wanted in a RWD platform, time will tell what really happened

behind the scenes.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 12:15 AM

I understand that and was thinking that it was just a starting point as inspiration
of what Ford wanted in a RWD platform, time will tell what really happened
behind the scenes.

That's kind of what I'm thinking in terms of DNA. I'd love to see features like its anti-dive/anti-lift suspension geometry return, just with the ability to accept corporate standard parts (engines, transmissions, rear punkin, etc).
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Posted 20 June 2018 - 04:16 AM

That's kind of what I'm thinking in terms of DNA. I'd love to see features like its anti-dive/anti-lift suspension geometry return, just with the ability to accept corporate standard parts (engines, transmissions, rear punkin, etc).

Exactly, bundle in at the start all the great features the RWD platform is going to need across the whole product envelope,

get that framing right at get go so if things change, the platform has flexibility to adapt with changing customer needs.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 06:48 AM

It makes perfect sense that CD6 might have some DEW98 DNA, because I have read the DEW98 had some MN12 (1989 Thunderbird) DNA in it. This has long been Ford's philosophy.  Even the 1964 Galaxie had some 1949 Ford DNA in it.  The 1978 LTD had some 1965 Galaxie 500 DNA. The 2006 - 2012 Fusion had some Mazda6 DNA, and the Mazda6 had some 1994 Contour/Mondeo DNA.  I have no first hand knowledge, but I have read these things over the years. 



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:04 AM

That's kind of what I'm thinking in terms of DNA. I'd love to see features like its anti-dive/anti-lift suspension geometry return, just with the ability to accept corporate standard parts (engines, transmissions, rear punkin, etc).

 

If I was doing it I'd take the CD4 chassis and electrical, add the mustang front clip and rear suspension and modify it to package the batteries.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:05 AM

I got that from ford source but could be wrong

 

Some people thought the 2005 Mustang was DEW98.   It started that way but by the time it was done only the fuel tank and part of the floor pan remained. 



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:08 AM

It makes perfect sense that CD6 might have some DEW98 DNA, because I have read the DEW98 had some MN12 (1989 Thunderbird) DNA in it. This has long been Ford's philosophy.  Even the 1964 Galaxie had some 1949 Ford DNA in it.  The 1978 LTD had some 1965 Galaxie 500 DNA. The 2006 - 2012 Fusion had some Mazda6 DNA, and the Mazda6 had some 1994 Contour/Mondeo DNA.  I have no first hand knowledge, but I have read these things over the years.

 

DEW98 was co-developed with Jaguar.   I doubt that it had any MN12 heritage but I guess it's possible.   If you have parts that are proven and meet the new specs why not reuse them.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:40 AM

 

Some people thought the 2005 Mustang was DEW98.   It started that way but by the time it was done only the fuel tank and part of the floor pan remained. 

My source is in Ford Eng...

 

There was a great story about what happened at Ford 2000 with all the respective groups

that Ford was trying to convince to use DEW.  Long story short,

Ford Aust was out because it was too expensive

Panther large cars were out because it was BOF

Mustang was then encouraged to use it but only the trans tunnel and part of floor pan (and fuel tank) was used..

Ken Koors, then Chief of Large car group in Nth America had the good sense to listen to respective groups.


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 10:20 AM

I wonder how much of the 11th gen Thunderbird is in the Mustang-its much closer in concept/size then an LS.


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 11:59 AM

DEW98 was co-developed with Jaguar.   I doubt that it had any MN12 heritage but I guess it's possible.   If you have parts that are proven and meet the new specs why not reuse them.


Back around '96 or so, a friend was working as an EE for Ford. He said some of the engineers working on DEW98 stopped by his facility on their way back to Dearborn, and he got to see the prototype/mule and talk to the engineers. As I recall his description, it sounds like the relationship between MN-12 and DEW98 was about like the relationship between DEW98 and SN197: it was the starting point, but the new platform diverged so much that there really wasn't any direct lineage from one to the other.
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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:00 PM

While most large vehicle groups couldn't use DEW straight up, it gave them inspiraton

to do more with their own respective designs, that may be the case here with

Ford developing a new platform that covers all the bases from get go, no add ons.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:05 AM

DEW98 had 2 technical flaws:  It could not use the corporate mod v8s because of the suspension components - could not load the engine from below.  So it was restricted to the 3.9L Jag AJ V8 which was a fantastic engine - smooth as silk.   But maxed out just below 300 hp.   And Jag would not let Ford use the supercharged version.

 

The 2nd issue was suspension compliance.   That all aluminum suspension was gorgeous and handled great but was not as smooth over bumps and irregular surfaces as other setups.

 

CD6 will be engineered from the get go to support the right drivetrains and to be PHEV capable and I think the current mustang suspension is a great starting point along with the CCD setup.  All the components are available now - it's just a matter of putting them together.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:18 PM

The use of any kind of double wishbone front suspension robs precious engine bay room

right where you need it with a DOHC V8, a strut front end as used in Mustang is a much

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